Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

[King Arthur]

You know, if people want to get some practice at this and strengthen Ranald ... Gunndred is barely a deity. Ranald can definitley protect us from his wrath, he's got a real low number of followers who are all cattle rustlers so we can definitely take them, and, I mean, Gunndred and his followers are definitely bad guys.

If people want to go bully a lesser deity I'm down.

Edit: Their also sort of rivals? Their both in the "steal stuff" domain and they don't like eachother.

Helping Ranald push around this weaker, violent upstart seems fun to me.

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Huh, I wonder if, in exchange for backing him and by extension us up, if Taal and Rhya would be willing to split the proceeds of jacking Ahalt the Drinker with Ranald?

Ahalt is like an evil Taal, but also a smaller deity then Taal is. I bet it'd be pretty safe to do. Ahalt doesn't really have any divine friends to back him up, so there's no chance of the "Mork and Gork team up to beat down Ranald" possibility that was an option on the roll table, and Taal and Rhya being present to watch his back should be enough to protect Ranald from getting jumped by an outside party, which was also an option on the roll table.

We could follow that up with Jacking Stromfels with Manann, and then, hopefully, Ranald will have developed enough friendly contacts in the old world that we can do a heist on Gunndred.

We stand a decent chance weakening, if not killing, three evil deities as well as empowering four good deities, which should do a lot to help the Old World, and, bonus, gets us on that Divine favor list.

Helping Order deities weaken/kill their rivals ... there's gotta be a pretty darn nifty reward down that quest line. Plus, there's not a lot of people that get blessed by multiple order deities, being in the same club as Magnus the Pious ain't bad at all.

Anyone wanna go do some heists?

A battery? of halflings armed with sniper rifles fit to pick off VIPs working from concealed sniper nests all along the outer mountains, winnowing out things like orc bosses and shamans.

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We do have Jezzails in our artifact list, and if there's any Skaven gun we can reverse engineer to be safe and not use Warpstone I'd bet you it's that.

 

[Parzival95]

Getting a room of oh dear for each college would be very expensive. I think someone once suggested we could instead get a single, larger complex of Oh Dear the colleges could timeshare.

Still expensive, but I figure it's saves time and energy doing it big once then small 8 times. If we want to do it, that is.

 

[Mopman43]

if Taal and Rhya would be willing to split the proceeds of jacking Ahalt the Drinker with Ranald?

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First problem- Mathilde probably has no idea that Ahalt the Drinker exists or where his cult operates. She doesn't exactly have Tome of Salvation herself, you know. And the cult has pretty explicitly managed to keep themselves hidden.

 

[Slamu]

We do have Jezzails in our artifact list, and if there's any Skaven gun we can reverse engineer to be safe and not use Warpstone I'd bet you it's that.

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I'd prefer to rely on preexisting dwarf-wrought guns for the task, personally. The craftsmanship is likely to be better, should have fewer logistical issues and won't make our hosts quite as twitchy.

Getting a room of oh dear for each college would be very expensive. I think someone once suggested we could instead get a single, larger complex of Oh Dear the colleges could timeshare.

Still expensive, but I figure it's saves time and energy doing it big once then small 8 times. If we want to do it, that is.

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I think it'd be worth it to get some for everyone. It'd take a lot of snake juice, but we (currently) don't have a better use for it and having a room for each college means a) you're eight times as likely to be able to make use of limited facilities, meaning you can use it for some merely hazardous tasks rather than reserving the rooms for the truly risky ones, b) will allow the colleges room to grow, c) T-poses on the colleges re: Mathilde's dwarf cred and d)emonstrates some of the advantages with working with the runesmiths with the various magisters.

 

[Alliterate]

Getting a room of oh dear for each college would be very expensive. I think someone once suggested we could instead get a single, larger complex of Oh Dear the colleges could timeshare.

Still expensive, but I figure it's saves time and energy doing it big once then small 8 times. If we want to do it, that is.

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Yeah, I suggested that. Seemed a pragmatic cost-benefit compromise. Also perhaps to start to bring the Colleges together like a proper University with a (first?) shared facility.
Windweaver!

I'm reluctant to take greenskins as much of a metric for how humans would handle it. Besides, I don't think he survived that battle.

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Alkharad was described as having smoke coming out of his ears. So, recalling that Dwarfs only do mining and metal metaphors, "burn - literally burn - the knowledge of it from the mind of the caster" is probably to be taken literally.

As for Karak MMAPPs, I'm glad Mathilde got to see the Great Chart. Serves as a narrative link. (Though I'm pretty ambivalent on the idea as a project. Probably rather look at the divine artefact Ranald gifted us, if it came down to a choice.)

 

[deathofrats0808]

I think it'd be worth it to get some for everyone. It'd take a lot of snake juice, but we (currently) don't have a better use for it and having a room for each college means a) you're eight times as likely to be able to make use of limited facilities, meaning you can use it for some merely hazardous tasks rather than reserving the rooms for the truly risky ones, b) will allow the colleges room to grow, c) T-poses on the colleges re: Mathilde's dwarf cred and d)emonstrates some of the advantages with working with the runesmiths with the various magisters.

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I believe Mathilde could do it with just her current Dwarf favour, even though it'd be expensive.

 

[Andres]

Incidentally, if we learn all seven battle magic spells, rules-wise that makes us a Loremaster like Gelt. If we can get the collegiate rooms of Oh Dear to practice in I wouldn't mind making a consistent 'go to train there' roll until we're full up on battle magic.

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Battle magic isn't worth the AP even if it were safe.

We do have Jezzails in our artifact list, and if there's any Skaven gun we can reverse engineer to be safe and not use Warpstone I'd bet you it's that.

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The karak would be better off importing long rifles from the Empire or jezzails from Araby.

 

[Tasoli]

I believe Mathilde could do it with just her current Dwarf favour, even though it'd be expensive.

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40 favors if I remember right.

 

[Mopman43]

I believe Mathilde could do it with just her current Dwarf favour, even though it'd be expensive.

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Let's see what the AV/Favor exchange rate is first.

 

[Jyn Ryvia]

Battle magic isn't worth the AP even if it were safe.

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I've never been interested in pure AP efficiency, I prefer narratively interesting and/or in character usage. (hence liking the idea of learning all the non-battle magic and writing novels when the papers are in a manageable place.)

is it ap efficient to learn all the Battle Magic spells? no.

is it something the magic nerd Mathy would get daydreams about? the 'great and powerful Loremaster Mathilde'?

I think yes, so I won't say its out of the cards for me, even if I'm not interested in it now.

 

[SuperSonicSound]

But until we can demonstrate an artificial soul of some sort, a seiverscope it's going to need a person in it.

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I mean what is Bok?

Regardless I don't think you need to go remotely that far to make it possible.

 

[torroar]

@torroar has a gift for encompassing epic scale that I can't match. I'm actually kind of thankful that politics resulted in the K8P crowd being snubbed out of the striking out of Grudges ceremony, because I had been eyeing the equivalent scene at the end of Karak Ungor and wasn't liking my chances of matching it.

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Speaking from experience, I wouldn't recommend trying to do that sort of stuff either. It wiped me out like all heck. The specter of Karak Ungor follows me to this day.

I would say you do epic plenty well. The activation of a super magic fire blast shadow laser was astonishingly cool to read.

 

[Rafin]

Anuvongeni: they who ends raids. Is this a translation, or was his deed name in Dwarven? Questions for later.

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Was this ever answered?

Or they could leave the Karaz Ankor and travel to the Empire, where someone who is underskilled by Dwarf standards can still be quite in demand by human ones.

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I assume this means that most Clanless Karak dwellers still get the Dwarven equivalent of elementary school education.

These are all the rituals a grey wizard can do.

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Are all or any of these Grey Wizard specific? They don't seem all that Grey.

Messes with a lineage's fertility. Useless to us.

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How is this one not considered the blackest of black magic? It even uses Warpstone!

 

[Glau]

Impossible March of the doomed soldier

Makes the army march anywhere across the world unharmed and unbarred in a single night. I could actually imagine how this spell could be useful, but other skills and other spells that cost AP to learn are even more useful.

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Oh, now *that* is a ritual worth learning. Can you imagine in a few years where a different dwarfhold is under assault, and Thorgrim sends us a pissy note telling K8P to assist- payback for the same 'impossible request' we made of him. Bring able to show up overnight with a throng and style all over him? I want that.

How many can the masses wizards of Eightpeaks transport?

864 * Panoramia * 8 (Mathilde)?

Thousands. Tens of thousands.

Anyone wanna go do some heists?

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Heck yeah!

Let's do this as our reward for theurgy and waystones- I think that covers the tools and experience we'd need to be good at it?

First problem- Mathilde probably has no idea that Ahalt the Drinker exists or where his cult operates. She doesn't exactly have Tome of Salvation herself, you know. And the cult has pretty explicitly managed to keep themselves hidden.

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Ranald would know! And I bet Heidi would tell us even if he didn't, for deniability reasons.

I mean what is Bok?

Regardless I don't think you need to go remotely that far to make it possible.

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I... Huh. You are absolutely right. Bok is exactly the sort of artificial dwarf-made soul that would give consistent results and be 'trusted' by runelords. Ironically, I doubt he would be able to look at himself.

 

[Andres]

Are all or any of these Grey Wizard specific? They don't seem all that Grey.

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None are Grey Wizard specific, but grey wizards can still do them.

How is this one not considered the blackest of black magic? It even uses Warpstone!

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If it was the blackest of black magic its casting language would be Daemonic, though yeah, the use of warpstone would make it illegal.

Oh, now *that* is a ritual worth learning. Can you imagine in a few years where a different dwarfhold is under assault, and Thorgrim sends us a pissy note telling K8P to assist- payback for the same 'impossible request' we made of him. Bring able to show up overnight with a throng and style all over him? I want that.

How many can the masses wizards of Eightpeaks transport?

864 * Panoramia * 8 (Mathilde)?

Thousands. Tens of thousands.

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Forgot to include a detail in my description but the army cannot march over water. A K8P army can go to the Southlands or Cathay or the north Chaos Wastes but not Ulthuan. Also, I made an error. The spell does not defeat barring; rather, you can only go places that are unbarred, so you can't march an army into a closed fortress.

On Mathilde's contribution to the calculation, I wouldn't count it as a hard 8. In WFRP, the Magic scale goes from 0 to 4, not 0 to 10 like in Divided Loyalties.

 

[King Arthur]

First problem- Mathilde probably has no idea that Ahalt the Drinker exists or where his cult operates. She doesn't exactly have Tome of Salvation herself, you know. And the cult has pretty explicitly managed to keep themselves hidden.

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Well, we definitely know about Manaan and Stromfels and we already won the Stromfels fight once.

 

[Redshirt Army]

Well, we definitely know about Manaan and Stromfels and we already won the Stromfels fight once.

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I mean, we didn't win that fight. I seem to recall Wolf (the First) playing a pretty big role...

 

[NexusEye]

One of the big difficulties of the the Sevirscope seems to be interpreting the abstract and metaphorical nature of the Winds into a concrete representation without using a biological brain. So... why not use a biological brain? Split it into two components, first part grants Windsight to a subject, second one trawls their brain and projects a real-time feed of what they're seeing using Illusion/MAPP/whatever. We know spells that grant Windsight by mental perception are possible and we know spells that read your mind are possible from when we were researching dictation magic (although they were noted as very dangerous).

Using this on a human would be a non-starter since our target demographic is runesmiths and they would never allow an umgi to watch them while they work (also the fact that brain magic is highly dangerous and it would be unethical to risk their sanity/life/souls if something goes wrong, yadda yadda). But if it can be cast on an animal, those security issues would be solved, I doubt runesmiths meticulously sterilize their workshop of all animal life every time they work out of fear that the fly on the wall will leak runelore secrets (actually, now that I think about it, some of them probably are that paranoid, but most aren't).

 

[Aranfan]

One of the big difficulties of the the Sevirscope seems to be interpreting the abstract and metaphorical nature of the Winds into a concrete representation without using a biological brain. So... why not use a biological brain? Split it into two components, first part grants Windsight to a subject, second one trawls their brain and projects a real-time feed of what they're seeing using Illusion/MAPP/whatever. We know spells that grant Windsight by mental perception are possible and we know spells that read your mind are possible from when we were researching dictation magic (although they were noted as very dangerous).

Using this on a human would be a non-starter since our target demographic is runesmiths and they would never allow an umgi to watch them while they work (also the fact that brain magic is highly dangerous and it would be unethical to risk their sanity/life/souls if something goes wrong, yadda yadda). But if it can be cast on an animal, those security issues would be solved, I doubt runesmiths meticulously sterilize their workshop of all animal life every time they work out of fear that the fly on the wall will leak runelore secrets (actually, now that I think about it, some of them probably are that paranoid, but most aren't).

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The problem with this idea is that we want to let dawi use the scope, and routing magic through dawi brains leads to no fun stone times.

 

[NexusEye]

The problem with this idea is that we want to let dawi use the scope, and routing magic through dawi brains leads to no fun stone times.

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But... the entire point of my proposal Is that we route the spell through a non-dawn brain and use illusion magic to convert the output into nonmagical light so the runesmith can perceive it with their eyes.

 

[Aranfan]

But... the entire point of my proposal Is that we route the spell through a non-dawn brain and use illusion magic to convert the output into nonmagical light so the runesmith can perceive it with their eyes.

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And let a non-runesmith, not even an apprentice but a non-dwarf at that, see their secrets? Unpossible.

 

[NexusEye]

And let a non-runesmith, not even an apprentice but a non-dwarf at that, see their secrets? Unpossible.

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... I already accounted for that, if we use an animal as the intermediary, the secrecy issue would be irrelevant.

 

[Aranfan]

... so you have.

I'm sorry. I must be pretty out of it.

That actually seems like it might be a workable idea.

 

[Businessmanga]

... I already accounted for that, if we use an animal as the intermediary, the secrecy issue would be irrelevant.

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Now the colleges just need to start making familiars out of good ol reliable dwarven mountain goats and to have the critters try to endear themselves to the runesmiths. They just need to get selected for the honorable task of being an intermediary magical seeing eye beast... We're on the path to stealing the runesmithing secrets now!

Just need to make sure the familiar doesn't look in a mirror or something and output that they're also soaked in magic.

 

[Aranfan]

Now the colleges just need to start making familiars out of good ol reliable dwarven mountain goats and to have the critters try to endear themselves to the runesmiths. They just need to get selected for the honorable task of being an intermediary magical seeing eye beast... We're on the path to stealing the runesmithing secrets now!

Just need to make sure the familiar doesn't look in a mirror or something and output that they're also soaked in magic.

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That sounds like a grudgin'.