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- Aotearoa
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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Yes, but they're seen as ancillary to the primary purpose of Karag Nar. That probably won't be the case forever, it would be far from the first place to outgrow being a military town.
Yes, Eight Peaks claims the area inside of the circle of peaks as part of the Karak. It's unusual but not unique, Karak Norn claims its upper plateau as part of the Karak itself.
They're de jure completely independent, because otherwise they'd be in a strange limbo of being sort of subordinate to both the Karaz Ankor and the Empire at the same time. De facto they're vassals of King Belegar, with a strong set of rights that were negotiated between him and the Moot. On paper, they are considered to own the surface of the Eastern Valley, with the exact border being where stone and soil meet.
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- Canada
Given the whole magical superweapons thing, I'm surprised we haven't had a few more wizards show up to see what's going on, and get in on the action. Even if they stayed in the background rather than joining our little group so that Boney doesn't have to exhaust himself writing a ton of new characters. But you would think people would try to see a bunch of the super-interesting things in person.
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- Aotearoa
Interesting. (I like the border, very nice construction.)
So they've not got extended rights over the Caldera? I did wonder. Who will be driving any soil reclamation project there- would Panoramia be working directly for Belegar/Edda were she to undertake that work?
The current plan is that a second wave of colonists from the Moot will arrive to populate the Caldera once it's considered sufficiently secured by Dwarven standards.
Steelhooves
Star Paladin
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- Maripony-Damn it.
Hmmm, I assume that the Halflings take some inspiration from Tolkien and prefer to build their houses above ground and work from there, does that make any discussion about underground boundaries between the two groups...Moot?😀
It's a convenient arrangement, because the Halflings generally think "why would I care about what's below the soil?" and the Dwarves generally think "why would I care about what's above the rock?"
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- New York
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- He/Him
@BoneyM How big is K8P, as in the the entire inner surface? How far are the mountains from each other? And how far is Black Crag?
The conquest went down very fast, it was a lot of crushing battles and quick marches, and it never seemed to compare to the mountain Vietnam that Drunken Dynasty turned Karak Ungor into.
I get that it's a different quest and that the individual mountains are less dug out then singular mountain holds, but were we really that lucky? Could it have turned into an endless slog?
The conquest went down very fast, it was a lot of crushing battles and quick marches, and it never seemed to compare to the mountain Vietnam that Drunken Dynasty turned Karak Ungor into.
I get that it's a different quest and that the individual mountains are less dug out then singular mountain holds, but were we really that lucky? Could it have turned into an endless slog?
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- Southampton, Great Britain
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I'm pretty sure that is how it went down in canon.
It measures I Am Bad At Scale by As Big As It Needs To Be, roughly.
@torroar has a gift for encompassing epic scale that I can't match. I'm actually kind of thankful that politics resulted in the K8P crowd being snubbed out of the striking out of Grudges ceremony, because I had been eyeing the equivalent scene at the end of Karak Ungor and wasn't liking my chances of matching it.
Very easily. The Expedition fought very few fair fights, most of the time they fought enemies already weakened by fighting each other, and some enemies were never faced at all. If they had to take on each foe in K8P at their full strength, they almost certainly would have run out of fighters before they ran out of foes.
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Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
I mean...
I think that we kind of can deliver superweapons on demand.
For example, Purple Sun is a terrible defensive weapon. It's indiscriminate, its area is too large, and there's no way to defend your own troops from it. It's a terrifying offensive spell. Outfit a high-performance gyrocopter with stealth gear, then replace its standard payload with an item that casts Purple Sun. Just buzz around the enemy army or fortification eradicating bits of their civilization. It's the equivalent of a nuclear bomber, except nobody's yet invented the ICBM, radar, surface-to-air missiles, or even interceptors.
Substance of Shadow to dive straight from the surface into the Underways. Since we own the surface and can travel much faster aboveground, this amounts to letting us to spawn armies at arbitrary locations underground. Combine with the Teleportation Tower we were thinking of earlier and we can be literally anywhere in K8P, even underground and behind enemy lines, in seconds. edit: Combine with a way for Mathilde to broadcast her position, probably simultaneous castings of Locate Item from different points to triangulate and get her position and depth, and we'd be able to consistently drop massively-runed longbeard hit squads on enemy command posts.
A network of minor items that cast Sounds, which acts in line of sight, to replace the sharply bandwidth-limited signal flags with magical telephones. Bonus points if items are embedded in the walls and floors throughout the region, letting us listen in on any enemy forces that enter the area.
Just stack up every reroll/precision buff into a single item, then dump the wombo-combo on high-value low-probability precision actions like "Mount a runed ballista on top of Karag Lhune and snipe the orc warboss from across the caldera". Premonition, First Portent of Amul, Omen, Lens on the Sky, Eyes of Truth, Enchant Item, Trial and Error, Law of Logic, etc. I think that's three rerolls, two "will trying it now be a good or bad idea", two supernatural performance bonuses...
That's half an hour for me to brainstorm and research four-ish ideas that are approximately one tweak away from qualifying as superweapons. Probably not difficult for the thread to flesh out more.
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- Australia
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NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
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- the Philippines
The problem with this, for the dragon's part, is that time spent learning Khazalid is time wasted not sleeping, which is the dragon's first and second most favorite activity, ahead of even killing elves and killing skaven.
The butterfly point is when Belegar got fed up at the Elector's Meet. If he had written off Umgi altogether and gone back to Karaz-a-Karak, he would have mirrored the canonical course. Instead, he stepped past the leadership and called mercenaries and adventurers to his flag. That meant setting up base somewhere in the Empire, which meant he was able to communicate more easily with the Young Holds, so the force he ended up with was lighter on runes and experience but larger in numbers. Then Mathilde arrived and the dice got a bit silly.
The canonical Belegar, advised entirely by staunch traditionalists, went straight for the Citadel and then fortified the hell out of it, and then was re-encircled and trapped in a war of attrition. This Belegar got different advice.
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- Illinois
You're great, Veb.
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- Aotearoa
Legitimate one-line summary of the whole quest, really.
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- Australia
It's important to remember that the Colleges of Magic can make magic items that are entirely disconnected from any of the spells in the various magical Lores. There's two particular examples from Storm of Magic that come to mind.
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- California
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- She/Her
I don't know about the interior, but using this map Eight Peaks is about 50 miles south of Black Crag (Karak Drazh) as the crow flies, and a bit over 100 miles going through Death Pass.
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@Andres110 Wyssan may have been an elf like Kadon (the beast archmage not the necromancer).
Edit: I agree with you about the Giantkin helm though.
Edit: I agree with you about the Giantkin helm though.
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Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
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- At Home
And we musn't forget about Erik's Sword of Confusion, which was commissioned by a drunken Norscan mercenary to 'cut things like butter'. Take your best guess at how that went.It's important to remember that the Colleges of Magic can make magic items that are entirely disconnected from any of the spells in the various magical Lores. There's two particular examples from Storm of Magic that come to mind.
Wyssan is the guy who invented Wyssan's Wildform - a Lore of Beasts spell. Affecting causality to manipulate luck isn't really something much to do with animals, yet the animal wizard could still personally make these dice himself.
This isn't even some legendary mythical artifact made in ages past by a mighty, long-dead hero and so cannot be replicated. This was made on commission by miscellaneous Empire wizards for some noble with lots of money.
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- Australia
Ah yes, that might be it. I do believe the other example still stands though.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
Well that just busts the whole thing wide open. Ballista-bolt equivalents of anti-radiation missiles that we can just lob in the general direction of enemy armies to kill spellcasters. Telescopes that reveal the positions of confusion-free areas in the enemy's formation to imitate Mathilde's method for finding assassination targets. Grids of sensors that detect souls or life to prevent incursions. Earthquakes, ballistae that can shoot through stone and earth like they were air, miles-wide underground miasmas that are poisonous only to enemies of the Dawi, great furnaces that suck all the oxygen out of the Underways, a near-infinite horde of tiny earth elementals scouting underground...It's important to remember that the Colleges of Magic can make magic items that are entirely disconnected from any of the spells in the various magical Lores. There's two particular examples from Storm of Magic that come to mind.
Wyssan is the guy who invented Wyssan's Wildform - a Lore of Beasts spell. Affecting causality to manipulate luck isn't really something much to do with animals, yet the animal wizard could still personally make these dice himself.
This isn't even some legendary mythical artifact made in ages past by a mighty, long-dead hero and so cannot be replicated. This was made on commission by miscellaneous Empire wizards for some noble with lots of money.
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- New York
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- He/Him
So, before we don't interact with him for another 6 months, what are we thinking about doing with Qrech? Actually try to convert him away from the Horned Rat? As much as I love Ranald, I was thinking it might be better to try Esmerelda, like Freddy did for the Ogres over in Drunken Dynasty.
Alternatively, if we want to keep up the theme of division in the empire, we could go the route of trying to establish our own college of magic. That's actually something we've been considering, so it'd be a good start if we actually went down that path by encouraging him to accept a life of comfortable imprisonment, but perhaps contributing academically somehow with more contact with other wizards. IE, get him on board by "letting" him contribute to breaking a "splinter faction" away from the Empire.
Alternatively, if we want to keep up the theme of division in the empire, we could go the route of trying to establish our own college of magic. That's actually something we've been considering, so it'd be a good start if we actually went down that path by encouraging him to accept a life of comfortable imprisonment, but perhaps contributing academically somehow with more contact with other wizards. IE, get him on board by "letting" him contribute to breaking a "splinter faction" away from the Empire.
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