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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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chocolote12 said:
I think it'll be a roll-off if we ever get a hit in on him. Malekith is Malekith, but Kragg the Grimm is Kragg the Grimm; their weight classes are at least close enough to each other that neither is just going to be automatically no-selling anything.
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Pretty much. Branulhune is as likely to shatter as it is to shatter Malekith's armor, and both might break at the same time. It'd all depend on the dice what happens, and BoneyM has some dangerous dice when it comes to big-deal moments.

Still, it'd be really funny to tell Ulthuan that they owe it all to Kragg the Grimm for forging the weapon that killed Malekith. I can think of few pills more bitter to swallow than an elf trying to say something positive about the living avatar of dwarven disapproval.
 
I for one am not in any hurry to challenge a mythical dark lord who managed to claw his way out of a literal hell.

Not unless it's a matter of life and death, and preferably with the back-up of multiple lord-tier characters.
 
My two cents on vs Malekith speculation:

1. If someone gets into melee with Malekith, they're already doing pretty well, he's got an army, a dragon, powerful magic, and enough paranoia for ten people.
2. Branulhune working relies on Mathilde hitting first, because Malekith has a sword that destroys magic items anyway. Oh yes, and screws up other people's ability to use magic.
3. Even if Mathilde destroys Malekith's stuff, he's still a 7000 year old wizard/warrior/general who has spent a long time killing things. He's not someone that will die cleanly or easily.
 
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deathofrats0808 said:
3. Even if Mathilde destroys Malekith's stuff, he's still a 7000 year old wizard/warrior/general who has spent a long time killing things. He's not someone that will die cleanly or easily.
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Well, this one is a little iffy; his armor is a life support system, Darth Vader style, if I remember correctly. If it goes down, he's probably not going to be doing too well.
 
I would bet on Malekith without his armour over Mathilde without her sword any day of the year - and given that mutual annihilation of our items is among the better results we might experience if we ever actually manage to land a hit, let's just say that Mathilde's a century or so too young for me to see that fight as anything but a foregone conclusion.
 
chocolote12 said:
I think it'll be a roll-off if we ever get a hit in on him. Malekith is Malekith, but Kragg the Grimm is Kragg the Grimm; their weight classes are at least close enough to each other that neither is just going to be automatically no-selling anything.
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Kragg may think he's hot shit these days, but Malkieth was a big deal back in the days when Kragg would have been the guy who made the coffee.
 
Just starting to poke at the next chapter of Soizic, but...

[X] [BOON] I know just what to spend it on...

U-K8P! :)
 
Malekith isn't something we should really consider tackling.

He's survived for many millennia of Ulthuan having a go at him, whilst ruling a society where backstabbing is socially acceptable. Mathilde might be very good for her age but she's not even approaching his weight class. Kragg is closer - but even he's still not quite there yet.
 
[X] [BOON] Save it until the Karak is wealthy enough to afford my ambition.
[X] [WE] Scavenge the Gauntlet
[X] [BOON] Save it as a trump card to exploit an opportunity or address an emergency.
 
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Alratan said:
Kragg may think he's hot shit these days, but Malkieth was a big deal back in the days when Kragg would have been the guy who made the coffee.
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Ehhhh...

I wouldn't go that far.

I would say in terms of technical skill, Kragg stands up even with the ancient luminaries.

What he lacks is the grammar they had access to that allowed them to put these large rune-strings in place, and build the tools that could construct stronger tools which could construct the big Dwarfen masterworks.

The fact he's as good as he is with a fraction of the data that they had access to probably means if he was born in that era, he'd still be one of the greats--but he'd be vastly more impressive because of it.
 
Alectai said:
Ehhhh...

I wouldn't go that far.

I would say in terms of technical skill, Kragg stands up even with the ancient luminaries.

What he lacks is the grammar they had access to that allowed them to put these large rune-strings in place, and build the tools that could construct stronger tools which could construct the big Dwarfen masterworks.

The fact he's as good as he is with a fraction of the data that they had access to probably means if he was born in that era, he'd still be one of the greats--but he'd be vastly more impressive because of it.
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Talented student then.
Just being good is not enough, runesmithing, like wizardry, is mostly about knowledge on what you can and can't do.
Though pretty sure that Kragg would have, with access to proper education, gone to be if not the greatest of the age, atleast reasonably respected master.
 
[X] [COLLEGE] 5 favors for a full translation of the Cathayan books
[X] [DWARF] Have a Grandmaster Engineer have a go at the Stirland Repeater - 8 favors
[X] [LIBRARY] Linguistics (Dwarf Antiquarian), The Eonir of Laurelorn (Imperial Extensive & Esoteric, Dwarf Extensive), Waystones (Imperial Extensive, Dwarf Extensive)
[X] [BOON] Save it until the Karak is wealthy enough to afford my ambition.
 
chocolote12 said:
Well, this one is a little iffy; his armor is a life support system, Darth Vader style, if I remember correctly. If it goes down, he's probably not going to be doing too well.
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It's...iffy what would happen if Malekith's armour were to stop being magical. It's never happened before. I see about four possibilities:
1. The armour stops supporting Malekith and he dies.
2. The armour stops working and Malekith is crippled by pain until it starts working again.
3. The armour stops working and Malekith is distracted by the pain for a moment and then goes on anyway.
4. Absolutely nothing, Malekith is fine.
My guess would be two or three happening, with a lean towards three. Guy has a pretty strong will.
 
Alectai said:
Ehhhh...

I wouldn't go that far.

I would say in terms of technical skill, Kragg stands up even with the ancient luminaries.

What he lacks is the grammar they had access to that allowed them to put these large rune-strings in place, and build the tools that could construct stronger tools which could construct the big Dwarfen masterworks.

The fact he's as good as he is with a fraction of the data that they had access to probably means if he was born in that era, he'd still be one of the greats--but he'd be vastly more impressive because of it.
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It's much broader than that. Back in the day, multiple effects that now require master runes could be done with regular runes.

The culture of runesmithing was also totally different. Runelords lived in elven cities and collaborated with their Archmages to develop new runes rather than slavishly copy the works of the past. Kragg may be a superlative craftsmen, but Malkieth's contemporaries were research scientists and artists, creating novelty together. And, importantly, both Malkeith and Hotek, the priest of Vaul who made his armour, were part of that. Malkeith was the preeminent dwarf-friend amongst the elves. It's very possible that he was part of the development process that led to Bok, and those elves whose descendants became the dark elves would have been the ones most knowledgable about dwarven runic lore and what could be done with it.
 
Alratan said:
those elves whose descendants became the dark elves would have been the ones most knowledgable about dwarven runic lore and what could be done with it.
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Not necessarily. Malekith himself was certainly at the forefront of the Elf/Dwarf relationship, but Nagarythe probably wasn't. I'd bet Saphery picked up most of that.

Also, weird thought, I wonder how much Dwarf favour Malekith used to have? He was best friends with the High King at one point...
 
deathofrats0808 said:
Not necessarily. Malekith himself was certainly at the forefront of the Elf/Dwarf relationship, but Nagarythe probably wasn't. I'd bet Saphery picked up most of that.

Also, weird thought, I wonder how much Dwarf favour Malekith used to have? He was best friends with the High King at one point...
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Spahery probably wasn't what it was now back then.

Also, when we're talking about archmages, that's a small community, and Malkeith was a noted leader of a bunch of wizard-princes that defected to follow him based on personal loyalty. Those are the same people who are most likely to have been most invested in working with the dwarves when that was his big thing.
 
[x] [WE] Economic Integration


Any reason why we aren't voting to treat the sentient spiders as citizens instead of military assets?
 
[X] [BOON] I know just what to spend it on...

I've been convinced by the bibliophiles among us. Let's build the biggest, most diverse library in the entire world. All the other things we could use the boon for like a branch college, non-magical scholars and researchers, U-K8P, facilities for multi-wind megaprojects, etc? All those things are worth doing, but the foundation for any of them is always going to be a few metric tons of books. So if we lay the foundations for Mathilde's Marvelous Muster of Manuals, Monographs, and Magazines (name work-in-progress) now, then later we'll have a rock-solid basis to work towards for any of those other ambitions later down the line. In a "if you build it, they will come" sorta way, if we build a Megalibrary, we're gonna attract all kinds of book-readers.

I also really like the idea of Mathilde asking for a Dwarven-built library to safeguard against loss of knowledge. "I want a library that lasts for a thousand + years" very implicitly says that she expects K8P to last for that long as well. :smile:

(Less rationally, my old fandom-ness for FiM says that moving into a new house-library is an important step towards becoming Princess of Equestria Supreme Matriarch.) :V

[X] [LIBRARY] Linguistics (Dwarf Antiquarian), The Eonir of Laurelorn (Imperial Extensive & Esoteric, Dwarf Extensive), Waystones (Imperial Extensive, Dwarf Extensive)
[X] [COLLEGE] 5 favors for a full translation of the Cathayan books
[X] [WE] Hunt the Mountains
[X] [DWARF] Have a Grandmaster Engineer have a go at the Stirland Repeater - 8 favors
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
 
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Alratan said:
Spahery probably wasn't what it was now back then.

Also, when we're talking about archmages, that's a small community, and Malkeith was a noted leader of a bunch of wizard-princes that defected to follow him based on personal loyalty. Those are the same people who are most likely to have been most invested in working with the dwarves when that was his big thing.
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Except it was. It didn't have the White Tower but Saphery is the traditional home of Elven magecraft. The shrine to Hoeth is there for a reason. All of the realms princes are wizards. None of that is new.

No he wasn't. Malekith led a bunch of princes, sure, but their spell-power has always come primarily from the Sisterhood of Ghrond, who were Morathi's lot. It's also notable that Malekith wasn't actually much of a wizard when he was spending time with the Dwarves. It was only afterwards he took up that study.
 
Derpmind said:
Pretty much. Branulhune is as likely to shatter as it is to shatter Malekith's armor, and both might break at the same time. It'd all depend on the dice what happens, and BoneyM has some dangerous dice when it comes to big-deal moments.

Still, it'd be really funny to tell Ulthuan that they owe it all to Kragg the Grimm for forging the weapon that killed Malekith. I can think of few pills more bitter to swallow than an elf trying to say something positive about the living avatar of dwarven disapproval.
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welcome to the team, don't worry, the fools can only delay the inevitable.

waiting for there to be more money is not the same as holding it for a rainy day. once the money is there, Mathy will pick something and then we have to vote.

victory will be ours!
 
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