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It would be easier to just kill Malekith, honestly. Stack Assassin traits and skills, steal the secrets of the Eshin clan and train ourselves in their skills.

I never said we shouldn't do that too. It'll even be feasible earlier.

I made a post a long while back on the difference between affecting a setting, and "fixing" a setting. And for me; things like "redeem the Skaven race" and "kill the Hirned Rat" fall into the latter category. It's such a drastic shift on such a fundamental level for the setting that seeing it happen by any method over any span of time is distasteful. It's not about scale or power creep for me, but a narrative and thematic direction that I just can't get behind.
It hurts my enjoyment of the quest knowing that there's a possibility of trying to break the setting over our knee in our unmitigated hubris. It is not a realistic or achievable goal in the setting, and merely considering it strikes at my suspension of disbelief and the quest's verisimilitude. Now I expect Boney to be a better QM than to allow this without extreme preparation on the order of decades and centuries of concerted effort, pouring our every action and our entire life into the task to the exclusion of all else, only to find that it may indeed be impossible.


Ah, that I get, albeit I do not agree. I think its the difference between one seeing it as a game while the other sees it as a story.

As a game, the null hypothesis gamestate is liked, because it is, and will always be, the status quo. Moreover, it is what allows for conflict to perpetually exist, and conflict is fun. Anything that warps the game state too badly feels wrong.

As a story, however, the board is made to be warped. Indeed, many of the best stories had the board severely warped, both to the in universe better (good changed the table) and to the in universe worse (evil changed the table), in a way that made the story better and introduced new possibilities and plot threads. Even in those stories, when its done well, its not so much that the setting is fixed as it is that it is changed. I can present many examples on how making even the higher parts of the setting malleable made stories better, but I would be dropping spoilers about , like, 17 different stories, and I am unsure whether that is polite. I will , however, state that even in setting we will be doing nothing Nagash didn't also do. In conclusion, in a story, the large scale status quo being hit by a hammer after the readers internalise it is a valid way of good storytelling, albeit not the only one.

Either way, I believe the redemption of the Skaven is a story worth telling. Heck, the death of the chaos gods would be a story worth telling, but only if new problems arose afterwards (say, by new chaos gods, or by the magic being fixed and safe... but creating a magocracy, although based on how strong Mathilde will be if she kills the chaos gods, the second sounds more like something for a sequel protagonist to takle), otherwise, it'd just be a "happily even after" finale.

It kind of does hurt when you try to change it from (My) long term goal to (Our) long term goal. Because then you inevitably get pushback from people who don't like that direction and end up with many other people having to skim past a completely irrelevant discussion.

I apologise, that was not my intent. The argument about long term goals that do not have to make us go out of your way was made because people were saying "its impossible, so better not even think about it", it was not put there as a subtle way of exerting control. When I deem it achieavable on the short term, I assure you, I will put it on the table and argue fair and square. I just want to prepare early for that eventual when.
 
I mean, there is a middle ground between kill all skaven and kill the horned rat and save the skaven as a species. If we encourged and enabled skaven who are willing to try to create a better society and mend bridges with the dawi.
Horned Rat literally has them trapped in a rat race. You'd have to maroon baby skaven in complete isolation from their culture.
 
We can not only kill Malekith, but do so in a manner compliant with the Prophecy of Demise. See, Malekith is a firstborn son of high birth, taught the darkest of magic, who raised an army of monsters... and from a certain point of view, he's killing himself if he fatally miscasts.
 
We can not only kill Malekith, but do so in a manner compliant with the Prophecy of Demise. See, Malekith is a firstborn son of high birth, taught the darkest of magic, who raised an army of monsters... and from a certain point of view, he's killing himself if he fatally miscasts.

Dude arcane dueled against Teclis and didn't instantly lose: Mathilde's gonna need to get a hell of a lot more magically swole to have any chance of pulling that off.
 
Giant K8Ps library, Mathilde's honest attempt at making a repository of knowledge for the world? Or is it her first step down the path of catfishing divinity out of Verena, ala the Ranald ascension? An ambitious pilgrimage of fingers for our gal indeed!
 
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Does he have anything that can cope with a surprise Branulhune to the neck while he's in the bath?
Alith Anar, the Shadow King, undead revenant devoted towards killing Dark Elves, once stole something from Malekith's study. This is, basically, his most badass feat by far.

Sneaking into his bath would by far be the hardest part of the sequence. Dark Elves make Grey Wizards look trusting, and they have a lot of magic at their disposal.
 
Not in terms of triggering a shar miscast and fulfilling Malakiths prophecy.
Given that the 1st secret of Dhar is basically fundamental to using it for longer than it takes you to blow up, and Malekith both a) Has been using Dhar for thousands of years without dying and b) is the son of the woman who invented Dhar, I think it's safe to say that he knows the first secret.

And the second secret is basically a short trip from the first. He probably knows it.

So I get the feeling we'd be less than successful if we tried to rely on that as our trump card.
 
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U of K8P

"Woooooohoooooo!"

Hannah's voice rang out like a finger across a wineglass.

"Ugh, please, wait until I've got some booze in me, I am begging you."

"Dibs on the bath!"

Her roommates followed her in. Darna and Lessile, a dwarf and another human, the three of them newly met that afternoon at the terminal in Karag Lhune, where the freshman class was traditionally collected.

"Awww, what? Wait! We have a bath?" Hannah spun a quick pirouette from looking out the broad windows of their suite to pout and trail after Darna, the dwarf making a beeline for a second door to the south of the room.

"Yep," Darna said, a smirk on her voice as she left the way into a small grotto-cave, lit softly with runelight, "Every room has an en-suite bathroom, unlike the big public baths you get in Lhune. First Magister figure'd some of you foreign types might be a mite bodyshy." She looked back over her shoulder significantly, hands going to the laces of her outer chain vest.

Hannah eeped and excused herself. Back in the main room, a large L that she realized now was wrapped around the bath, she found her other new companion of the next four years leaning back on one of the beds scattered about, book and glass of wine already in hand. Three beds, three desks, three upright wardrobes. Bare walls. Well- that last she could do something about. Stepping roughly to the center, she raised an eyebrow and called over to the prone figure.

"Hey, Lissile? Mind if I put up some decorations?"

The Brettonian looked over at her, and raised an eyebrow right back, given the solid granite walls shot through with veins of quartz.

"What did you have in mind?"

Hannah grinned, raising her hand with a peculiar twist and a soft murmer, and a softly glowing stylized flame bloomed above it.

"I was thinking of putting up some MMAPs."

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"Bath's free!" Darna called, pausing as she exited. "Ok, who's the torrent crafter?"

"That would be me!" Hannah piped, bouncing up from where she had been sitting cross-legged on Lissile's bed. "Hannah Arcadent, Journeywoman of the Bright Order, at your service! We were just talking designs and we'd love to get your thoughts!"

Half the room was covered in swirls of blue and gold, pinwheels and fleur d'lis. The other was a surprisingly naturalistic sunset over mountains, all oranges and reds and negative space.

Darna's reply was a slow grin. "Well, I've less than no objection to the idea in principle, and I like what you're doing with those mountains there. But I'll tell you now, I'd consider it a trivial boon if you'd make all the rest of the locals jealous of us, and here's how..."

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Some time later, the work of claiming furniture and decorating and unpacking and unwinding done, the girls had drifted too talking about each other.

"Me? Well, there's not too much to say. I'm Brettonian, of course, here on the officer track- looking forward to the Undumgi commission at the other end of this. And yes, before you ask, I did read all the Soizic Adventures when I was a little girl and *yes*, I did really really want to be her when I grew up. So I'm double-majoring in martial studies and logistics, but I don't know if that means I have any classes with either of you?" Lissile looked over at the others.

"Maybe some of the pre-reqs," Darna answered, "I'm here on the academic track, Pre-Rune focus, so that's probably some of the math and history... Hmm. Forged Weapons 101? We'll have to check."

"Pre-Rune? I thought that was a dwarf boy-only sort of thing?" Hannah asked.

"Not quite," Darna frowned, "All the actual runework is taught in the apprenticeships after, of course, but the University is considered to be a good grounding in basic principles and theory, so it gets you looked at twice by all the better sorts of runesmiths when you ask to apprentice- that's why all the boys do it. As for me, well, given the Rune of Valaya they couldn't exactly keep me out on principle, and I'm actually aiming to see if I can help on the project of re-discovering the working runes, maybe get an apprenticeship in a few decades if I can score a post-grad position with a runesmith that can weigh talent a liiiittle bit more than the lack of a beard." She smiled over at Lissile. "I read about Soizic, but the First Wizard was really the one I wanted to be. Think of all she discovered, and in these very peaks!"

"Ooooooh, we've got ourselves a radical here Lissile!" Hannah cried, while Darna threw a pillow at her.

"But no," she said, sitting up, "You have a dream and I respect that so much! 'We can all change the world for the better'- school motto right? I promise I will be here for you to encourage you and cheer you on!"

"Well, what about you?" Lissile asked, "What's your dream?"

"Bit far afield from University halls," Hannah said, flopping back, "but I can tell you I'm journey-track, obviously, but I really want to just experience Eightpeaks while I'm here. Take a bunch of art classes, do the whole 'drink your way round the caldera' challenge, read in the library, go explore in the tunnels and caves looking for undiscovered treasures and dangers! Go to some of the hand-ball games, buy a bunch of gear with our little Wee Webber mascot on it, you know..."

"You should try out for cheerleading," Darna cut in, "You've certainly got the enthusiasm and we could certainly use all the enthusiasm we can get next time we go up against Barak Var."

"Me? A cheerleader?" Hannah seemed quite taken with the idea. Lissile laughed.

"You should! I'd go to the games regardless but I'd certainly cheer at your lead!"

"A cheerleader..." Hannah murmered.

The girls drifted off to sleep, the busy day finally catching up to them. Above, in soft grey mist in the middle of the ceiling, floated a MMAP of Karak Eight-Peaks, as complete as a talented artist and native dwarf could make it. A tiny replica of the grand MMAP that hung in the council hall, where few but the most important were ever allowed. Her eyes finally closing, Darna allowed herself a small, satisfied smile. These two, she thought, she could live with.


A/N- I had like four lines for the next Soizic peice and this came out instead. I blame the thread discussion. ;) Plus I wanted to write dialogue. Parts 2&3 possible, I had a few more ideas and wanted to show, rather than tell.
 
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