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I acknowledge this concern, but disagree with the conclusion. First of all, dwarves don't practice espionage, but they do practice keeping secrets really well, and they aren't hasty. If we publish one dictionary each turn for two turns, I am pretty sure that by the time Eshin catches wind of it (remember that they aren't based around here, other skaven clans are, and due to internal feuding there will be time lag before intel disseminates from clan to clan), the Reikspiel dictionary will be out to muddy the waters.

Second of all, dwarves deal with skaven more than the Empire does (because dawi and thaggoraki are openly in conflict, whereas the Conspiracy of Silence renders conflicts between the skaven and the Empire fairly surreptitious and small-scale), so a Khazalid dictionary potentially improves dwarf outcomes over the short term more than a Reikspiel dictionary potentially improves human outcomes over the short term.

Finally I really don't like the political message it sends for the Loremaster of a dwarf hold to publish Reikspiel preferentially over Khazalid: legally, yes, our primary allegiance has to be to the Empire, but I think it's unwise and will only damage Belegar's position among the other dwarf kings to rub that fact in the face of the Karaz Ankor.

So I think Khazalid one turn and then Reikspiel the next, or both simultaneously, are better than Reikspiel first.
I think you are overthinking it. More than half of the dwarves speak Reikspiel,if I remember correctly, with the ratio much higher among those likely to actually desire to read Skaven script (rangers). And Reikspiel was good enough for Belegar to use it when he was giving his big speech on the eve of the start of assault on k8p.

I believe there is no stigma in writing Reikspiel dictionary befire Khazalid.

In fact, I don't think we need a Khazalid one at all.
 
Finally I really don't like the political message it sends for the Loremaster of a dwarf hold to publish Reikspiel preferentially over Khazalid: legally, yes, our primary allegiance has to be to the Empire, but I think it's unwise and will only damage Belegar's position among the other dwarf kings to rub that fact in the face of the Karaz Ankor.

In all fairness Belegar's position among the other dwarf kings should be yes. A dwarf that completely reconquered Vala-Azril-Ungol in less than half a decade with rather low casualties is bound to be pretty much politically unassailable short of going full on Chaos Dwarf.

Could we just hire translator(s) once we create one of the dictionaries? That seems much more efficient than writing the second one ourselves.

Why not get some dwarf loremasters or rangers as scribes? It is an official project so using reasonable amounts of resources is expected.
 
A good policy that we can attempt to implement.
One Short Term personal action
One Long Term personal action
Two Task related actions which may or may not intersect with short or long term personal goals.
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That's four actions for our standard allotment.

Where does something like building the temple to Ranald (I know we already took that; it's an example) fall? Would you consider that short term because it's done in one or long term as part of an effort to build up the Ranaldist faith?
 
Have you considered the possibility that Sigmar foresaw this eventuality? That Mathilde, unshackled, was the perfect catalyst to begin a Dwarf renaissance. To recapture the greatest of the Lost Holds and show a King that old traditions can be supplanted by new ones. To prove that Men and Dawi can be not only allies, but kin and are all the stronger for it.
All that was needed was for one man to fall. For one deserving soul to be denied Sigmar's light in his hour of need.

Mathilde was always going to achieve great things. The difference between her spending her life eradicating vampires and spending it saving the Dwarven race? One man. One withheld healing at a critical moment.

@Omegahugger
What say you?
That if that was Sigmar's reasoning, then he's a bloody idiot. For multiple reasons.

First of all, because there was a very real possibility that Mathilde would turn to the dark arts as a result of losing Abel. Even if we assume that non-winning voters don't affect Mathilde's thought pattern (which I think they do), her mind was still heavily affected by the ambient Dhar in Sylvania. That's what "allowed" for that option in the first place. Let me remind you that "Imagine what Dhar could do in the hands of someone competent" was not a write in, that was BoneyM before he started taking suggestions.
Even besides that, right after you lose a loved one is also a prime time for the Ruinous Powers to strike. What if Tzeentch had promised her enough power to never fail another lord? What if Slaneesh had whispered to her in her beloved's voice? What if Khorne had payed any amount of attention when Mathilde was angry enough to threaten to murder any doctor she felt didn't do a good enough job? There's a reason why so many fall to Chaos, and it's not because they're secretly evil all along.

But let's assume that Sigmar knew that Mathilde would not fall to any temptations, that the attentions of any relevant Chaos Gods were far away and that none of the vampires and orcs that almost killed Mathilde since then wouldn't. Well, there's still the fact that Mathilde's little stunt with Mork's energy had a 1/6 chance of causing Ranald's death. While Ranald might not be the most reliable God, Gods who are willing to help humans for humanity's sake are still in short supply and really not something that should be risked on a 16.7% chance of failure! For that to in any way be a reasonable action from a non-ludomaniac, Sigmar would have to be able to predict the specifics of Ranald's Luck, which is something I would put beyond memetic Tzeentch. And if we assume he couldn't predict the luck of other deities, then there's also the part where Mathilde almost got turned into the prophet of Mork. And if there's one thing the Greenskin needed, it's their own Mathilde... Honestly, I actually like to read that, it sounds hilarious.

And even then, aren't we counting our journeymanlings before they graduate? Dwarves being saved is nowhere near certain at this point. Even in the likely case that we make it through the Waaagh without catastrophic losses or Mathilde turning with necromancy, we still needed to avoid the diplomatic clusterfuck that is Thorgrimm's everything. There's enough going on to justify Karak-8-Peaks getting their own army list seperate from the regular Dwarves, for goodness sake.
And once we've done that, we still need to actually help the dwarves move forward rather than just stopping their decline as we're currently doing. Which we're still not really any closer to doing.


But sure, let's assume that Sigmar could predict every single action Mathilde took, every single outcome of those actions and that we'll ultimately succeed in our unreached goals (which is a lot to assume). I would still call Sigmar a bloody idiot, because there's a very easy way to achieve all that without killing off Abel. First you heal Abel in a big, flashy way that makes your involvement not a question, and solve Abel's crisis of Faith. Then, when he manages a sweeping victory against Castle Drakenhoff, you give either Abel or Kasmir a vision that the Elector Count needs to send his shadow to help the dwarves around the time Belegar asks for help. Possibly be more specific if it's not forbidden by divine law. Boom, you have all the benefits of Mathilde going to help the dwarves on her own with the added benefit of an elector count that isn't afraid of mages and having you dwarf saviour not want to impale you at sight.

That being said, if BoneyM put out a vote asking if we would burn all of Mathilde's achievements in Karak-8-Peaks to the ground in return for getting Abelhelm van Hal back, I would vote for it in a heartbeat. Heck, I would do the same even if losing the Liber Mortis alongside any knowledge it has, would and could provide permanently was also part of the deal.

Also, if Sigmar's goals was to help save the dwarves, maybe he should've considered sending literally anyone to join us. Just a thought.
 
Could we just hire translator(s) once we create one of the dictionaries? That seems much more efficient than writing the second one ourselves.
We might end up with an early version of google translate in that case. Especially with words that rely on context to have their full meaning interpreted correctly.
Edit: Post merger

Where does something like building the temple to Ranald (I know we already took that; it's an example) fall? Would you consider that short term because it's done in one or long term as part of an effort to build up the Ranaldist faith?
That would be a long-term goal. Fortunately that specific one is already addressed.
 
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I'm not Omegahugger, but I say-no and to hell with Sigmar. If he really wanted the Dwarfs to do better he would be telling his priests to fuck off with their feuds and the Empire as a whole would have answered Belegar's call for aid instead of the meet being redirected to their squabbles.

I am of the opposite opinion to Omgea on the price of bringing back Van Hal though. Belegar is the better character in my eyes and the continued Van Hal discussion isn't as interesting.
 
That if that was Sigmar's reasoning, then he's a bloody idiot. For multiple reasons.

First of all, because there was a very real possibility that Mathilde would turn to the dark arts as a result of losing Abel. Even if we assume that non-winning voters don't affect Mathilde's thought pattern (which I think they do), her mind was still heavily affected by the ambient Dhar in Sylvania. That's what "allowed" for that option in the first place. Let me remind you that "Imagine what Dhar could do in the hands of someone competent" was not a write in, that was BoneyM before he started taking suggestions.
Even besides that, right after you lose a loved one is also a prime time for the Ruinous Powers to strike. What if Tzeentch had promised her enough power to never fail another lord? What if Slaneesh had whispered to her in her beloved's voice? What if Khorne had payed any amount of attention when Mathilde was angry enough to threaten to murder any doctor she felt didn't do a good enough job? There's a reason why so many fall to Chaos, and it's not because they're secretly evil all along.

But let's assume that Sigmar knew that Mathilde would not fall to any temptations, that the attentions of any relevant Chaos Gods were far away and that none of the vampires and orcs that almost killed Mathilde since then wouldn't. Well, there's still the fact that Mathilde's little stunt with Mork's energy had a 1/6 chance of causing Ranald's death. While Ranald might not be the most reliable God, Gods who are willing to help humans for humanity's sake are still in short supply and really not something that should be risked on a 16.7% chance of failure! For that to in any way be a reasonable action from a non-ludomaniac, Sigmar would have to be able to predict the specifics of Ranald's Luck, which is something I would put beyond memetic Tzeentch. And if we assume he couldn't predict the luck of other deities, then there's also the part where Mathilde almost got turned into the prophet of Mork. And if there's one thing the Greenskin needed, it's their own Mathilde... Honestly, I actually like to read that, it sounds hilarious.

And even then, aren't we counting our journeymanlings before they graduate? Dwarves being saved is nowhere near certain at this point. Even in the likely case that we make it through the Waaagh without catastrophic losses or Mathilde turning with necromancy, we still needed to avoid the diplomatic clusterfuck that is Thorgrimm's everything. There's enough going on to justify Karak-8-Peaks getting their own army list seperate from the regular Dwarves, for goodness sake.
And once we've done that, we still need to actually help the dwarves move forward rather than just stopping their decline as we're currently doing. Which we're still not really any closer to doing.


But sure, let's assume that Sigmar could predict every single action Mathilde took, every single outcome of those actions and that we'll ultimately succeed in our unreached goals (which is a lot to assume). I would still call Sigmar a bloody idiot, because there's a very easy way to achieve all that without killing off Abel. First you heal Abel in a big, flashy way that makes your involvement not a question, and solve Abel's crisis of Faith. Then, when he manages a sweeping victory against Castle Drakenhoff, you give either Abel or Kasmir a vision that the Elector Count needs to send his shadow to help the dwarves around the time Belegar asks for help. Possibly be more specific if it's not forbidden by divine law. Boom, you have all the benefits of Mathilde going to help the dwarves on her own with the added benefit of an elector count that isn't afraid of mages and having you dwarf saviour not want to impale you at sight.

That being said, if BoneyM put out a vote asking if we would burn all of Mathilde's achievements in Karak-8-Peaks to the ground in return for getting Abelhelm van Hal back, I would vote for it in a heartbeat. Heck, I would do the same even if losing the Liber Mortis alongside any knowledge it has, would and could provide permanently was also part of the deal.

Also, if Sigmar's goals was to help save the dwarves, maybe he should've considered sending literally anyone to join us. Just a thought.

@Omegahugger your argument is well thought out and completely logical.

Like it always is.

Truly we should heed your great wisdom more often, but most of the thread is afraid to stand up in the face of adversity and defy all convention, so we don't.
 
Could we just hire translator(s) once we create one of the dictionaries? That seems much more efficient than writing the second one ourselves.
I suspect not, but you'd have to ask Boney.
I think you are overthinking it. More than half of the dwarves speak Reikspiel,if I remember correctly, with the ratio much higher among those likely to actually desire to read Skaven script (rangers). And Reikspiel was good enough for Belegar to use it when he was giving his big speech on the eve of the start of assault on k8p.

I believe there is no stigma in writing Reikspiel dictionary befire Khazalid.

In fact, I don't think we need a Khazalid one at all.
Significantly less than half:
@BoneyM : About what percentage of Dwarves in K8P speak Reikspiel?
A quarter are fluent, another quarter at 'which way to the tavern' level.
I acknowledge that it's higher among Rangers:
Most young hold Dwarves speak enough Reikspiel to get by, and all Rangers from young holds do. If the force was made up primarily of old hold Dwarves, then it'd be more of a problem.
But I would say that it's the old holds that Belegar needs to win over, not the young ones, and so the political issues of publishing in Reikspiel instead of Khazalid remain.
In all fairness Belegar's position among the other dwarf kings should be yes. A dwarf that completely reconquered Vala-Azril-Ungol in less than half a decade with rather low casualties is bound to be pretty much politically unassailable short of going full on Chaos Dwarf.
If I were a traditionalist dwarf, my take on Belegar would be pride in his accomplishments, yes, but worry about becoming a de facto client state to the Empire, because so much of his force has been manling in origin and he is integrating humans at an unheard-of rate. I do not think any dwarf could fail to do the math that, given the differences in population growth rates, K8P is very likely to become majority human within a single dwarf generation. If his Loremaster is doing her official work in Reikspiel and not Khazalid, that would aggravate my concerns.
 
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Some people kinda brought up Nordland and Middenland as an example of Imperial Politics in quest- but is it that straightforward? Dragomas and Al wouldn't even hint what was going on there even with the Black College under our belt. It could just be the usual compartmentalization but still, a lot of provincial politics are not above our pay grade yet this one currently is.
 
I suspect not, but you'd have to ask Boney.

Significantly less than half:


I acknowledge that it's higher among Rangers:

But I would say that it's the old holds that Belegar needs to win over, not the young ones, and so the political issues of publishing in Reikspiel instead of Khazalid remain.
The main part of my argument was Belegar's choice if language for the speech, not the Reikspiel literacy rate. Compared to political impact of that, the choice for the language of our publication is negligible.
 
Some people kinda brought up Nordland and Middenland as an example of Imperial Politics in quest- but is it that straightforward? Dragomas and Al wouldn't even hint what was going on there even with the Black College under our belt. It could just be the usual compartmentalization but still, a lot of provincial politics are not above our pay grade yet this one currently is.
Why would they bring it up to us if we don't ask? We live at the other end of the Old World and unless it is being caused by Undead, Skaven or Greenskins (at the time our only known specialty was undead mind you) it would be outside our specialty. There would just be no reason to talk about it.
 
I should point out thats not exactly what went down.

After the Battle of Finuval Plain, Asarnil had been ordered to link up with the High Elven forces marching from the Kingdom of Lothern. Once the Dragon Princes arrived, the combined forces of Lothern and Caledor was able to destroy the last major Dark Elven invasion force still left within Ulthuan. But before Asarnil could fly to the Phoenix King's aid, word came that Caledor itself was under attack. Under the command of Asarnil, an entire flight of Dragonriders sped back through the skies to protect their homeland. In a brilliant assault, the Dragonriders of Caledor swept the Dark Elves to the sea, and Caledor was saved from conquest.[1a]
Triumphant, Asarnil headed back towards the rendezvous with the Phoenix King, confident that great rewards and honour awaited him upon his arrival. On hearing that his orders had been disobeyed, Phoenix King Finubar became enraged. If his troops had come under attack without the support of the Dragon Princes, they would have faced total destruction. When Asarnil and his fellow Dragonriders arrived at the Phoenix King's camp, no parade awaited them. Instead, Asarnil was summoned before the Phoenix King to account for his actions. Enraged that the Phoenix King would accuse him for saving his homeland from destruction, Asarnil declined and swore that he was no longer a subject of the crown of Ulthuan. The response from Finubar the Seafarer was quick and harsh. Asarnil would be stripped of his title and lands and banished from Ulthuan, unless he would face the Phoenix King's justice and accept the punishments.[1a]
Proudful to the last, Asarnil declined.
He didn't march off to fight a random battle, he left to save his homeland from being conquered, which sadly left Finubar's army exposed. It was a shitty situation that didn't really have a easy solution. It wasn't just Asarnil's pride.

That's wiki being wiki for you. This text is almost word-for-word from Dogs of War. But some exceptions are quite critical:

First is this part: "Caledor was saved from conquest." Red is wiki's invention, sentence in the source ends with "saved". Attack on Caledor couldn't actually conquer it - both Dogs of War and HE Army book agree that Finubar's army marched to the last major DE force. That means that attack on Caledor was a raid, not a conquest, since DE didn't have large enough force there to conquer one of the kingdoms.

Second significant place is this substitution: "On hearing that his orders had been disobeyed, Phoenix King Finubar became enraged." In the source he merely became "angry", which is a weaker form of the same thing in my opinion and implies more control.

Third invention: "Asarnil was summoned before the Phoenix King to account for his actions." Red is straight-up invention again, source just says that he was summoned. That means that he threw his fit without even knowing that he would be punished, just seeing that no parade awaits him.

Fourth: "Enraged that the Phoenix King would accuse him for saving his homeland from destruction, Asarnil declined and swore that he was no longer a subject of the crown of Ulthuan." Red is an invention, and the most significant one, IMO. There was no such accusation leveled or even implied at that point.

Fifth: "unless he would face the Phoenix King's justice and accept the punishments." No punishments were actually mentioned.
 
But this wouldn't be a machine translation, this would be a professional one. I doubt that would be the case.

Are you actually multilingual? I just speak three (well, I havent used the third one in ages...) boring ass European languages from neighbouring countries and I wouldnt wish a dictionary for them produced in the way you propose on my worst enemy.
The problem only gets worse if you try it with less incestious languages like the trio Mathilde has to deal with.
 
If I were a traditionalist dwarf, my take on Belegar would be pride in his accomplishments, yes, but worry about becoming a de facto client state to the Empire, because so much of his force has been manling in origin and he is integrating humans at an unheard-of rate. I do not think any dwarf could fail to do the math that, given the differences in population growth rates, K8P is very likely to become majority human within a single dwarf generation. If his Loremaster is doing her official work in Reikspiel and not Khazalid, that would aggravate my concerns.

Unless Mathilde publishes her work towards the Karaz Ankor in Reikspeil (which could be viewed as a political statement), having the Reikspiel version come out a bit sooner than the Khazalid version doesn't really signal much. Not sure if a traditionalist dwarf, used to projects taking years upon years and decades would even register delays in editing as something deliberate.

Some people kinda brought up Nordland and Middenland as an example of Imperial Politics in quest- but is it that straightforward? Dragomas and Al wouldn't even hint what was going on there even with the Black College under our belt. It could just be the usual compartmentalization but still, a lot of provincial politics are not above our pay grade yet this one currently is.

We might want to ask - the knowledge probably isn't above Mathilde's pay grade but might require an action to fully get briefed into the situation.
 
That if that was Sigmar's reasoning, then he's a bloody idiot. For multiple reasons.

First of all, because there was a very real possibility that Mathilde would turn to the dark arts as a result of losing Abel. Even if we assume that non-winning voters don't affect Mathilde's thought pattern (which I think they do), her mind was still heavily affected by the ambient Dhar in Sylvania. That's what "allowed" for that option in the first place. Let me remind you that "Imagine what Dhar could do in the hands of someone competent" was not a write in, that was BoneyM before he started taking suggestions.
Even besides that, right after you lose a loved one is also a prime time for the Ruinous Powers to strike. What if Tzeentch had promised her enough power to never fail another lord? What if Slaneesh had whispered to her in her beloved's voice? What if Khorne had payed any amount of attention when Mathilde was angry enough to threaten to murder any doctor she felt didn't do a good enough job? There's a reason why so many fall to Chaos, and it's not because they're secretly evil all along.

But let's assume that Sigmar knew that Mathilde would not fall to any temptations, that the attentions of any relevant Chaos Gods were far away and that none of the vampires and orcs that almost killed Mathilde since then wouldn't. Well, there's still the fact that Mathilde's little stunt with Mork's energy had a 1/6 chance of causing Ranald's death. While Ranald might not be the most reliable God, Gods who are willing to help humans for humanity's sake are still in short supply and really not something that should be risked on a 16.7% chance of failure! For that to in any way be a reasonable action from a non-ludomaniac, Sigmar would have to be able to predict the specifics of Ranald's Luck, which is something I would put beyond memetic Tzeentch. And if we assume he couldn't predict the luck of other deities, then there's also the part where Mathilde almost got turned into the prophet of Mork. And if there's one thing the Greenskin needed, it's their own Mathilde... Honestly, I actually like to read that, it sounds hilarious.

And even then, aren't we counting our journeymanlings before they graduate? Dwarves being saved is nowhere near certain at this point. Even in the likely case that we make it through the Waaagh without catastrophic losses or Mathilde turning with necromancy, we still needed to avoid the diplomatic clusterfuck that is Thorgrimm's everything. There's enough going on to justify Karak-8-Peaks getting their own army list seperate from the regular Dwarves, for goodness sake.
And once we've done that, we still need to actually help the dwarves move forward rather than just stopping their decline as we're currently doing. Which we're still not really any closer to doing.


But sure, let's assume that Sigmar could predict every single action Mathilde took, every single outcome of those actions and that we'll ultimately succeed in our unreached goals (which is a lot to assume). I would still call Sigmar a bloody idiot, because there's a very easy way to achieve all that without killing off Abel. First you heal Abel in a big, flashy way that makes your involvement not a question, and solve Abel's crisis of Faith. Then, when he manages a sweeping victory against Castle Drakenhoff, you give either Abel or Kasmir a vision that the Elector Count needs to send his shadow to help the dwarves around the time Belegar asks for help. Possibly be more specific if it's not forbidden by divine law. Boom, you have all the benefits of Mathilde going to help the dwarves on her own with the added benefit of an elector count that isn't afraid of mages and having you dwarf saviour not want to impale you at sight.

That being said, if BoneyM put out a vote asking if we would burn all of Mathilde's achievements in Karak-8-Peaks to the ground in return for getting Abelhelm van Hal back, I would vote for it in a heartbeat. Heck, I would do the same even if losing the Liber Mortis alongside any knowledge it has, would and could provide permanently was also part of the deal.

Also, if Sigmar's goals was to help save the dwarves, maybe he should've considered sending literally anyone to join us. Just a thought.
Omegahugger, I will begin this post by saying that I deeply respect you and your views, and occasionally even agree with them (not all of them, but some) . I must say, however, that this kind of posts are rather unlikely to gather support. If you want for your views to be accepted and to one day win over the thread, certain feelings must be kept to yourself until the time is right to strike. And I doubt anyone besides you and ninjafish would agree to burn our progress in k8p for Abel. He was a great man, aye, and a great friend, but people have built too many ties here in order to snap them for an old flame (whether it be a romantical or a platonic one)
 
First is this part: "Caledor was saved from conquest." Red is wiki's invention, sentence in the source ends with "saved". Attack on Caledor couldn't actually conquer it - both Dogs of War and HE Army book agree that Finubar's army marched to the last major DE force. That means that attack on Caledor was a raid, not a conquest, since DE didn't have large enough force there to conquer one of the kingdoms.
I have to admit it would be quite odd for the DE to take out one of the most militarised kingdoms of ulthwan (one covered in dragons no less) without a pretty serious invasion that Finbur would have likely dispatched someone to counter.
 
That's wiki being wiki for you. This text is almost word-for-word from Dogs of War. But some exceptions are quite critical:

First is this part: "Caledor was saved from conquest." Red is wiki's invention, sentence in the source ends with "saved". Attack on Caledor couldn't actually conquer it - both Dogs of War and HE Army book agree that Finubar's army marched to the last major DE force. That means that attack on Caledor was a raid, not a conquest, since DE didn't have large enough force there to conquer one of the kingdoms.

Second significant place is this substitution: "On hearing that his orders had been disobeyed, Phoenix King Finubar became enraged." In the source he merely became "angry", which is a weaker form of the same thing in my opinion and implies more control.

Third invention: "Asarnil was summoned before the Phoenix King to account for his actions." Red is straight-up invention again, source just says that he was summoned. That means that he threw his fit without even knowing that he would be punished, just seeing that no parade awaits him.

Fourth: "Enraged that the Phoenix King would accuse him for saving his homeland from destruction, Asarnil declined and swore that he was no longer a subject of the crown of Ulthuan." Red is an invention, and the most significant one, IMO. There was no such accusation leveled or even implied at that point.

Fifth: "unless he would face the Phoenix King's justice and accept the punishments." No punishments were actually mentioned.
Can we please table the discussion of Asarnil? As it is, it has become completely irrelevant to the quest.
 
I have to admit it would be quite odd for the DE to take out one of the most militarised kingdoms of ulthwan (one covered in dragons no less) without a pretty serious invasion that Finbur would have likely dispatched someone to counter.
Or it could have been a raid? Perhaps one specifically done to pull away high elf forces from the main army? (They just failed to take into account exactly how fast dragons could be)
 
Why would they bring it up to us if we don't ask? We live at the other end of the Old World and unless it is being caused by Undead, Skaven or Greenskins (at the time our only known specialty was undead mind you) it would be outside our specialty. There would just be no reason to talk about it.
It's not that they didn't bring it up. It's that they actively shifted tracts to avoid talking about it around us. Narratively speaking that's easily a Chekov's Gun that does little for the story unless the intent is to imply there's more than provincial BS. Obviously it's not Mat's jurisdiction but it wasn't just them not telling us it was them dropping it because we were around.

We were literally with the Empress on the day of her child's birth. We have a lot of trust implicitly placed in us- but not enough to hear what they were talking about.
 
It's not that they didn't bring it up. It's that they actively shifted tracts to avoid talking about it around us. Narratively speaking that's easily a Chekov's Gun that does little for the story unless the intent is to imply there's more than provincial BS. Obviously it's not Mat's jurisdiction but it wasn't just them not telling us it was them dropping it because we were around.

We were literally with the Empress on the day of her child's birth. We have a lot of trust implicitly placed in us- but not enough to hear what they were talking about.
Isn't that just how need-to-know works? We didn't need to know, so basic information security implies avoiding spreading the information.
"We could certainly set up a small array of magical signatures," Magister Grey points out. "Greenskins, of course. Ogres. Undead. Beastmen, if you get them this far south."

"Oh, right, remind me to read you in later," Magister Patriarch Algard says.
Here, a Magister badass enough to have made powerful enough enemies to be in the Involuntary Retirement Club doesn't know what skaven are. It's not that he was untrusted, it's that until he worked on this project, he didn't need to know.
 
But sure, let's assume that Sigmar could predict every single action Mathilde took, every single outcome of those actions
Way to take the question out of context.
Sigmar doesn't need to know specifics. Just that Mathilde will bring about great things wherever she is. And that helping the Dwarfs is more valuable than screwing with the vamps.

Also please stop contaminating the thread with 40K lore. Fantasy gods cannot simply contact people. The Chaos 4 cannot whisper to people without a connection to chaos. Sigmar cannot hand out instructions to politicians.
Unless someone is pulling off a grand ritual, like the one Mathilde and Ranald hijacked, the gods are extremely limited in how they can interact.

Nice to see you put some thought into the idea though, however spitefully. I was honestly expecting little more than a one-liner.
 
Quick thought: if we publish in both khalazid and reikspeil, we'll need to be careful that the khalazid version is not available to humans. (Actively not available.)

Else the dwarfs have a case to get irritated by us publishing a Rosetta Stone to their secret language.
 
Are we really going to publish? I imagine it was more like a few copies delivered personally to the relevant people, I doubt people just walk into a library looking to learn Skaven.
 
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