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It just seems completely pointless, either Eshin wins and takes off, or Mors wins and we kill them once they walk into our fortifications. Why bother risking ourself at all?

In addition to what has been said above:
-final chance of intervention means that people want to take advantage of the opportunity
-people want to fight the sorcerer because they're rarely ever seen and they think Mathilde has the best shot at taking them
-Eshin is seen as the most dangerous clan to let live, as Mors is seen as a relatively straightforward warrior clan whose breeders are already dead while Eshin's assets are still unknown
 
So what's the rationale for people thinking it's a reasonable idea to try to gank Eshin's sorcerer? It seems like an unnecessarily risky proposition.
It just seems completely pointless, either Eshin wins and takes off, or Mors wins and we kill them once they walk into our fortifications. Why bother risking ourself at all?
I will quote myself addressing this question:
Because Eshin works for the Council of 13.
If they survive this, they will take home strategic intelligence on K8P and this campaign. Which will change Skaven behavior towards the Karaz Ankor in general and K8P in particular. EDIT And the Grey Order too. Possibly all human mages.

We are better served by ensuring all of Eshin die here, to deny them that intel. We don't want them to get any reliable intel besides Act of Dragon.
I'd rather Mors dies here too, but even if they survive, they are less likely to share intelligence with the rest of the Skaven, even if the Horned Rat intervenes to stop the infighting.

Information control is how we managed to set up the conditions for this campaign thus far.
They work for the Council of 13.
They gather intelligence that guides greater Skaven strategy as much as they perform assassinations. Intelligence they gather will occasionally be sold or outright given to other skaven clans.

A renascent K8P is very much a big reason for them to stay around and gather intel.
And we don't need Eshin operatives who are already experienced with the terrain of Karag Eight Peaks to survive and either teach others about the local layout, or come back for more missions in this area.
Off the top of my head:

-To prevent the Under-Empire getting detailed intelligence reports of what happened here in the last day.
Which leaves them assuming it was the Dragon that did it, as opposed to a confluence of factors, including the Dawi changing their approach.
Denies them knowledge of Grey Order methodology, of Mathilde's centrality, and of changing Dawi tactics.

-To eliminate the experienced Eshin intelligence operatives who have lived in Karak 8 Peaks longer than Mathilde or the Dwarves, which means any subsequent Eshin spies will have to start from scratch.
No more K8P specialists among the Eshin means they have to attempt to train new ones from scratch in hostile conditions.

-To get rid of any Eshin observers before we fire the Doomshadowlaser.
We don't need any Skaven eyewitness reports of the effects of the new Dawi superweapon making it home to Skavenblight. Nor do we want to give Eshin spies reason to attempt to infiltrate our tower to poke around.

Skaven are thieves on general principles, after all, even without specific instruction.

-Because anyone who tells you that Eshin, the espionage clan, is simply going to pack up and leave on the eve of a million Ork Waagh smashing into the Dwarves is indulging in wishful thinking.

-To destroy the owners of any Eshin books and records, which means we get more Skaven intelligence and loot, possibly including spellbooks.

-This is the best opportunity we will have to test Mathilde's skillset against the Eshin.
She's relatively fresh, they have been fighting for five hours, and there is both a Dragon hunting them and the remnants of a Warlord clan attempting to kill them.
Because it's the best matchup we will get against Eshin for a long time.

They are fatigued and tired, they are simultaneously fighting Mors, and an Emperor Dragon is also hunting them.
This is the best opportunity she'll have to snipe Eshin units.
Which increases the chance of loot drops and information/resource denial, which will make it safer for her to go after Eshin in the future.

And I will caution about overestimating our enemy. Eshin are competent and scary opponents, but not supermen (superskaven?)
And we are pretty good in our own right; do remember that an Eshin operative couldn't find Mathilde either when she wasn't using any magic, and she's gotten significantly better and more knowledgeable since.

Caution is good.
But this is much less risky than attempting to assassinate a Warboss from the middle of a crowd of Orks. Without Teleportation.
Which is also something Mathilde has done.
 
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So what's the rationale for people thinking it's a reasonable idea to try to gank Eshin's sorcerer? It seems like an unnecessarily risky proposition.
The skaven sorcerer has been fighting for more than five hours, and all the skaven had popped their black hunger rush around five hours ago.

The black hunger thing is like a super soldier steroid or adrenaline rush or whatever, but the jist is that it gives the skaven a large short term boost to their combat prowress.

After it ends, they go into a freeding rampage where they desperately try to replenish the energy that they spent eating anything they can before they drop dead of starvation and even when they do eat enough they are exhausted.

So, do we want to kill an exhausted skaven wizard who has been casting and fighting for more than five hours and is in "Black Hunger Recovery" or has had to fight Mor rats who where using black hunger as it was desperately fighting them while we are fresh, having spend only an hour playing "terror in the night" and the rest in one place acting as leading Thane? Or would we prefer to let him leave and recover from all this before he returns with a lot more of his "Friends" to get at the mountain full of warpstone that they covet oh so greatly, maybe try to take the eight peaks for themselves again?

I mean, we literally have a giant mountain of stuff that attracts skaven like gromril does dwarves, he is not going to leave and never return anymore than chaos will never return to ravange the lands. He might leave for a time, he won't stay away.

Best take him, and the other skaven out here rather than keeping them around, wanting our stuff and leading a horde of new fresh chaff to steal our Karak with.

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The rat has been fighting and casting for hours against an almost equal force as they both use black hunger to try and overwhelm the other and prevent their opponents from beating them.

He uses a unrealiable and exhausting Dhar based spellcasting system and is probably running off of warpstone based drugs, willpower, fear, the bodies of dead skaven and the Hope of victory being dangled infront of him.

The only way he could be safer target is if he was a paralyzed from the neck down, stripped from all of his gear, has the been examined on a surgons table for anything in his body, his teeth pulled, so drugged up that he is oblivious to everything and is in the mouth of the Hysh Ice Dragon who is preventing it from even starting to cast anything.

That is the only way I can imagine him being more vulnerable than he is now....

Plus, he is currently pinned down in a general area so it will be relatively easy to find him. "Dhar Battle Magic" is not hard to notice, and neither is a skaven jumping in and killing Mor clanrats with spells and blade before running away.

Later, and we wont have more than a hint of an idea of an intuition of where to start looking, unless he miscasts and pops like a dirty redioactive bomb of Dhar or until he kills/tries to kill someone.
 
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Actually letting Eshin get away when we could have got them, but didn't because it was easier would brake his heart.
Or we'd be like 'Sorry bro, I could only manage to retake four Karags for Team Dwarf, I couldn't manage to personally kill every hero unit on the Skaven side' and he'd be like 'Bummer, oh well.'

He doesn't actually expect us to personally save the Karaz Ankor, you know? Not to mention, we're not his wife or his psychologist, we aren't responsible for his emotional well-being.
 
He doesn't actually expect us to personally save the Karaz Ankor, you know? Not to mention, we're not his wife or his psychologist, we aren't responsible for his emotional well-being.

I mean, I know we aren't. But that doesn't mean we could be. Saviour of the Karaz Ankor I mean. I'm not crazy. We are nowhere good enough to be his psychologist.
 
[X] Strike against Clan Mors
- [X] MORS: Take low-risk targets of opportunity.

[X] Strike against Clan Eshin
- [X] ESHIN: Attempt to assassinate their Sorcerer.
 
We are his friend though. Friends help each other out of funks.
"Dear Advice Columnist,
One of my good friends has been feeling really down lately. I know I'm not morally responsible for someone else's happiness, but I still want to do what I can. How should I aid him without compromising my own boundaries?
Sincerely, Konfused in Karaz Ankor"
"Dear Konfused,
Surprise presents are hit-or-miss, but the shock factor is great at getting folks out of an emotional rut and helping them realize how much their friends care. I don't know what your situation is, but large gestures are especially good at this. What's a big thing your friend has always wanted?
Sincerely, Advice Columnist"

Mathilde, reading the letter: "Well, this seem straightforward enough."
*proceeds to reconquer Belegar's ancestral homeland while he's out of town*
 
Sooooo.

Hey do you guys think we could create our own Mind Fire with we mixed ulgu and aqshy together properly?

The whole point of tongs experimentation is too see if we can make new lores like necromancy is made of shyish and dhar, so I'm kind of imagining what those lores could consist of.
 
Sage Advice
"Dear Advice Columnist,
One of my good friends has been feeling really down lately. I know I'm not morally responsible for someone else's happiness, but I still want to do what I can. How should I aid him without compromising my own boundaries?
Sincerely, Konfused in Karaz Ankor"
"Finally! A normal letter!" shouted Diane Pfeiffer, Advice Columnist for the Reikland Reiter. The writer stood up at her desk and began dancing about, waving the said letter in the air.

From the paper-laden desk to her left, one of her colleagues, Martin Fischer (Riverine Trade, Economy Section), looked over. "Oh? Finally gotten a break from all the weird mail?"

Diane nodded at Martin's words, still spinning in an improvised jig. "Indeed. I do hope this is a sign that these letters are actually becoming normal again. If I never have to read another letter complaining about Sigmarites or Ulricans from disgruntled priests on either side, I would die happy."

"What about that charlatan pretending to be the Elector Countess of Stirland? Mayhaps you'd like to read more complaints about Battle Wizards instead?" sniped Klaus Becker (Feature Columnist, "Baking with Becker") from Diane's right. The woman snorted indelicately in response, punctuated by her impromptu dancing ending with a loud stomp in Klaus' direction.

"It was entertaining at first, reading all about the eccentricities of wizards," said Simona Ziegler (Castles and Fortifications, Military Section), the slender woman gently sidling around the fuming Diane. "After the fourth letter complaining about torches struggling to either dim or brighten it got a bit stale."

"Speak for yourself, Simona!" shouted Gunther Vogel (Colleges of Magic Correspondent). "I for one, am most glad to hear about the actions of the Colleges' most accomplished combatants when they are off the battlefield. It's at least more interesting than yet another peasant with a man-sized rat problem. Why, if I have to explain..." He paused, before looking at Diane. "By the way, are you going to answer that letter any time soon?"

At Gunther's words the aura of the office brightened considerably, anticipation in the air. Diane, now much more composed, solemnly walked back to her desk, where she retrieved a much battered and beaten hat. "Alright, who wants to pull an answer out of the hat first?" she cried. A storm of raised hands and shouts was her answer.

"Dear Konfused,
Surprise presents are hit-or-miss, but the shock factor is great at getting folks out of an emotional rut and helping them realize how much their friends care. I don't know what your situation is, but large gestures are especially good at this. What's a big thing your friend has always wanted?
Sincerely, Advice Columnist"
 
Classical Reikspiel was probably the last time it talked to humans in any quantity.
Speaking of: I want our next job to be teaching the dragon Khazalid. Seems like a neat way to start a social connection.
While he had never before hear the roar of a dragon
heard
was galling, as was that the only he could do to strike at the hated Traitor-Clans was to assist
the only thing

I'm really enjoying the fact that there are so many omake being written now. Every few days I check the threadmarks and there are always new ones.
 
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I don't believe there are offensive Lore of Stealth battle magic spells. All the ones we know of are regular spells.

The Lore of Stealth isn't big on direct targeted attacks at all.
Yeah, sorry, I was using battle magic colloquially.

There are two obvious targeted spells a Sorcerer might use on us: Black Whirlwind and Warp Stars. Black Whirlwind seems especially likely, since it penalizes ranged attacks, so I can easily imagine a Sorcerer using it as a weapon of first resort after creating some distance.
 
The whole point of tongs experimentation is too see if we can make new lores like necromancy is made of shyish and dhar, so I'm kind of imagining what those lores could consist of.
The tongs are only needed if you limited yourself to the elven perspective of how magic works, when humans have access to a much broader range through Theurgy. Now, I know you have reservations against religious magic, but consider the most recent update, and then ask yourself: Could Elementalism be an example of secular Theurgy? It could be a way of accessing the benefits of the process through a system of belief in how the world works that's tied to a philosophical doctrine (a love of nature, in the case of Elementalism) rather than a religious one.
 
Yeah, sorry, I was using battle magic colloquially.

There are two obvious targeted spells a Sorcerer might use on us: Black Whirlwind and Warp Stars. Black Whirlwind seems especially likely, since it penalizes ranged attacks, so I can easily imagine a Sorcerer using it as a weapon of first resort after creating some distance.

I don't think warp stars would count; in the same way that vein hit by an undead creature doesn't create backlash on the Nexromancer.

Black Whirlwind is possible.

Looking at the Lore of Stealth spells from Mordheim, I think it's as likely to pop up Enshrouding Mist (which creates a selectively transparent Fog bank) and run, or use that to attack from within cover.
 
I don't think warp stars would count; in the same way that vein hit by an undead creature doesn't create backlash on the Nexromancer.
There was some discussion about this earlier, and chocolote made a really good point:
I think it'd determine it by whether or not it was being maintained. A spell that grew a real tree wouldn't count if the tree fell on you, because the tree isn't a spell, but if it made a conjured tree that fell on you it probably would, because it's just hitting you with a big aethyric projection, not something made of physical matter.

So does the Warp Star spell create real Warp Stars that they can keep in a box afterwards, or do they disappear? The former interpretation seems kind of weird from a logistical standpoint, so I'd say it's probably the latter, just like a poisoned version of our shadow knives, and thus vulnerable to the belt.
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Is anyone else not getting notices for new comments on this thread? I am getting alerts for reactions given but I am not getting any alerts for new comments. Was there a setting change during the down time I need to reset?
I didn't notice, but I'm not getting notifications either.
Neither am I and I just checked, my profile settings are unchanged. I suspect this is a site-wide bug that will fix itself shortly.
It's happening for me in other threads too, so I made a post about it in Forum Technical Support:
forums.sufficientvelocity.com

"replied to thread" alerts seem to be gone Resolved

Starting a little after maintenance, I haven't been getting any alerts for watched threads of the "X replied to Y" form. I've gotten "reacted to post" and "quoted your post" ones fine, just not "replied to thread".
 
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