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Just call him Bok, everyone is going to call him Bok eventually, so we might as well soften the blow by being starting it, let it be an affectionate nickname.
Why? It's not actually saying anything, or making any noises, much as we might forget in this text based medium. It's showing a readout with invalid data entries. It'd be like naming a robot NaN or something.
 
Sooooo... @BoneyM how long have you been waiting to show Bok off? And how frustrating has our refusal to go to Karag Mhonar been?

Why? It's not actually saying anything, or making any noises, much as we might forget in this text based medium. It's showing a readout with invalid data entries. It'd be like naming a robot NaN or something.
Well it's shorter then saying "the dwarfern earth elemental thing that may or may not have been created in collaberation with the Asur and/or Nehekarans" for a start.
 
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See, I just don't see the point in investing Linguist + Deceiver Coin + multiple AP over several turns to get spoken Queekish if we succeed in getting the skaven out of Eight Peaks, compared to literally all the other things we can doing with more relevance to a fully reconquered K8P. Like, back when we were looking at a continuing shadow-war against them, absolutely, it made sense, but now it's just much less time-critical, and compared to things like Bok, Aethyric Vitae, dealing with dragons, or studying divine energy, I think the marginal payoff of spoken Queekish is smaller. Being able to decode captured communications is already a huge win.
Why do you think it will take "several turns"? While we put a lot of effort into gathering materials, acquiring the actual translation took a grand total of 2 Qrech actions + 2 Max actions to get everything but the magical lexicon. And if Qrech is teaching us willingly, we won't need to gather materials.

Also, spoken Queekish remains more time-critical than any of the other projects you mentioned (except the dragon) because it's still on a time limit. It took a crit loot roll to get Qrech, and he's going to die of old age within a decade at most - probably less.

I get where you're coming from regarding wanting to do other things for a while, but the way I see that ending up is that the thread forgets about Qrech, then he dies and we've thrown away a nigh-irreplaceable intelligence win against the Skaven.
 
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you know it explodes right
We, uh, technically don't know that at all - the AV + living being experiments are on the "post battle part of turn" to-do list. AV rapidly decomposing into all 8 winds when poked with one wind isn't really the same as exploding.

Using the dragon as our first test subject would probably cause some diplomatic issues, but the good news is that that's not our problem. FOR SCIENCE! :V

its using "Bok" in the same way as an AI might say "Error" or "File not Found" I don't think its a very good basis for a name.

How would you like it if the next time you couldnt find something everyone just starting calling you "Ol Forgetful" or "Fuckup" all the time? its rude
That's not really how the translation works though. Bokskrund is better translated as something along the lines of "Silver Lining" as in the "every cloud has it's silver lining" expression, which is both a pun on it going "Bok" all the time as well as a particularly meaningful name given the whole critfail cascade (on the part of our enemies) that led to K8P recovering the Runic Elemental.
 
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Why do you think it will take "several turns"? While we put a lot of effort into gathering materials, acquiring the actual translation took a grand total of 2 Qrech actions + 2 Max actions to get everything but the magical lexicon. And if Qrech is teaching us willingly, we won't need to gather materials.
Building a Queekish written lexicon was parallelizable; a combination of Qrech's work and Max's work got us the four lexicon pieces we have currently (basics, military, technology, and medical), because once Max had worked out the meaning of some stuff, he can slide his papers across the table to us. Learning a spoken language is not parallelizable; we need to learn the whole thing ourself. So I expect it to take 2-4 AP of effort to become fluent in spoken Queekish, not counting whatever rapport we need to build with him to convince him to do it (and the opportunity cost of using Deceiver for any gambits).

Again: I'm not against doing this, I'm against holding up publishing the dictionary because we haven't reached theoretical perfection.
 
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Actually that's a point, @BoneyM You've mentioned before that a lot of what Grey Magisters do that the empire will never know about is still known within the grey college walls. Does the average grey mage hanging around the colleges know about Mathilde's little take down of the college of Necromancy or is that still classified up the wazoo?

"What happened over in Sylvania between you and Alkharad is a complete secret, so, naturally the whole College knows."

The general understanding that a Vampire was up to Something Bad and then caught a bad case of Mathilde. Speculation has begun to include the phrase 'Fourth Vampire War'.

I doubt that the soft time limit works that way, especially when we have already told Belegar that it is going to be a long project... I am pretty sure that the time limit is less when does he expect us to finish and more about getting a significant progress done on the topic, in this case I am pretty sure that learning written Queekinsh in a Year would qualify for the soft time limit...

Better to ask the QM... @BoneyM a couple of questions.

Would learning written Queekish qualify as enough for the hypothetical yearlong soft time limit for the project?

Since we have already warned Belegar that completing the translation of Queekish would be a long project, and discounting Belegar exhilaration from finishing the conquest of K8P... How long would be the hypothetical timelimit until Belegar would want tangible results (I mean results in the sense of a finished Dictionary, not progress towards the goal like knowing most of the written language or the spoken version)?

Belegar would prefer to get the Skaven Language guide ASAP, or would he prefer to get a better quality book even if he had to wait for six months or a full year?

If we hire the linguists and Mathilde finishes one of the versions of the dictionary, would it be possible for them to do the other version by themselves?

All of these are decisions for Mathilde (and therefore the thread) to make, not for Belegar to micromanage.

@BoneyM who will get the Dwarf rep for recovering the Elemental? Mathilde or the Dragon?

It was on the Karak's radar already as the Mhonar mystery and it didn't really take any effort or ability on Mathilde's part to find, since it follows anyone it believes to be a civilian around like a lost puppy. She didn't really recover it directly, she 'just' lead the military efforts that allowed it to be found, and will 'only' receive the rep for that.

Sooooo... @BoneyM how long have you been waiting to show Bok off? And how frustrating has our refusal to go to Karag Mhonar been?

Since 12th September, judging by how old the .txt for what's where in K8P is. I've been enjoying the speculation but I did expect it to show up a lot earlier. I had very vague plans for how the Trolls and Crooked Moon and Mors might react to Mhonar becoming vacated, which is a pretty good example of why I never really plan things too far in advance.
 
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All of these are decisions for Mathilde (and therefore the thread) to make, not for Belegar to micromanage.
Maybe, but knowing which is the soft time limit on a project that we said that is will take us a long time, would be useful, if only because it would help us to know what about other ones like the Snek juice
 
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Maybe, but knowing which is the soft time limit on a project that we said that is will take us a long time, would be useful, if only because it would help us to know what about other ones like the Snek juice

Belegar's reactions each six months will give you a general idea. Consider Prince Gotri and his work on the defences; the first six months was a solid result and he got a thumbs up, the second achieved nothing but he said the idea was sound so he got given more time. There'll definitely be warnings before you start burning goodwill.
 
Yeah he might know we met the dragon, but we left the mountain after to meet the war council. All he saw was us meeting the dragon, then leave. He doesn't know we're going to hunt him.
Sorcerer: "Let's turn-face our attention to Clan Mors. Only a crazy-madwoman would be so obvious and then try to kill-murder someone such as myself!"
Mathilde: "Let's test that theory."
Bokskrund! Bokskrund! It's cute sounding somehow
It makes him feel rotund.
 
Again: I'm not against doing this, I'm against holding up publishing the dictionary because we haven't reached theoretical perfection.
I'm in agreement with this, with the addendum of absolutely needing the linguists if they provide something other than a + to the writing roll. I just don't want to stop there - get what we have out there now, then keep using Qrech before we lose him so we can publish all of Queekish later.

Also, our pace for learning written Queekish was limited by materials - while Max took 2 turns to get the medical lexicon, we learned everything else in a single AP once we had relevant writings to show Qrech. Once we're not limited by relevant writings, things will go faster - I certainly don't expect to get it all in a single AP, but I will be very surprised if it takes four.

Maybe, but knowing which is the soft time limit on a project that we said that is will take us a long time, would be useful, if only because it would help us to know what about other ones like the Snek juice
Sounds like a job for multiple projects per advisor (as seen in most CK2 quests), with the caveats that Dwarven Loremasters probably don't do that and BoneyM might not want to manage it.

In this case, if we're learning spoken Queekish but can't learn faster than 1AP per turn, then we propose some other projects (e.g. snakejuice) and Belegar spends his other Learning action on one of those, with the caveat that both will go at half speed until one finishes.
 
You know what's amusing? Clan Skryre, the ones who basically started this whole mess, are going to be the last faction to really die. Isn't that a surprise.
 
I imagine the sorcerer coming and trying to throw down would have resulted in it getting nommed by the dragon.

Heh, if we cleared/arranged it with the dragon drawing the sorcerer out to a location it can reach and getting its attention would be enough to get it.
 
We, uh, technically don't know that at all - the AV + living being experiments are on the "post battle part of turn" to-do list. AV rapidly decomposing into all 8 winds when poked with one wind isn't really the same as exploding.
It explodes when exposed to Dhar or warpstone, including a night under a Chaos moon.

We also know people are made of multiple winds as mood and experience take them. We've been seeing them with Windsage.

I'm not saying it's not worth the experiment, I'm just saying it might explode and we should be prepared to run away at the first sign of dragonplosion.
 
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