Asheram
Not quite altogether
- Location
- Δ Hidden Forbidden Holy Ground
And likely to a collection of every darn Magister and Magister Lord that have the time.
Learning to counter a Waagh is darn mandatory.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Fantasy Users' Choice!
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
Learning to counter a Waagh is darn mandatory.
- Location
- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
I... Am very tired. So please... Just listen. I had some very stressful days last week so I really really just need everyone to be quiet and listen. Please. I am so tired.
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This is true when it come to tabletop and rpg stats and how human vs elf fights are depicted in lore.
I ment that he will want something more like this:
"Hey Belebro! I finished translating Queekish for you."
"Great Matty! This will be a great help to our rangers and the Karaz Ankor."
"Nah. No one but me has the full set of notes and I don't feel like writing the dictionary for it so other people can do it too. Anyway whats my next job?
"...Your next job is to finish this one. Now write the fucking dictionary Mathilde."
Well yes. We have used six months of our yearlong soft timelimit. So next turn we can write the Khazalid-Queekish dictionary and the jobs done. I would like to write the Reikspiel one at the same time but it isn't neccessary.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
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Hello there! It's General Reposti!
- Location
- Spain
I know, but don´t need to give the dictionary next turn, we have already told Belegar that it could be a long project, so I am it can wait for another 2-3 turns without a problem.
Plus, we are working for Dwarfs, and Belegar and any of his kind would rather have something great in 1-2 years than something decent in 6 months.
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- Location
- Berkeley
I'd say getting both Queekish language dictionaries out fast would be a good idea just for prioritization—the Skaven are likely still in a vulnerable phase from their civil war which means they will be useful now, and I would also very much like to have them already distributed and in wide use before the Skaven are on an upswing and looking to retake lost ground.
It's not like we're going to be short on paper topics either—hell, assuming the votes continue in their current trajectory and we succeed on it we'll have just killed a type of Skaven they didn't even know existed.
It's not like we're going to be short on paper topics either—hell, assuming the votes continue in their current trajectory and we succeed on it we'll have just killed a type of Skaven they didn't even know existed.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
This sort of reaction has been entirely unwarranted in every context it's been brought up in in this thread, you know. In the approaching-real-life context of the actual social interactions of this quest, you don't talk to people like that unless you want them to stop being your friend. (In real life you don't talk to people like that unless you want them to stop being your friend, and people in the quest react mostly realistically, is my point).
Even if we said those exact words to him, he'd be far more likely to just calmly instruct us to actually go and do it, or to hire out somebody else who can finish the job up, and chalk any impoliteness up to stress or weird forgetfulness (both entirely understandable in pretty much any given turn we've worked for him), rather than reaching straight for the death threats.
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- Aotearoa
This analysis seems to lead to the conclusion we should ideally be Lord Magister rank before taking the Naggarythe Murder Bootcamp. Sounds like we'd get a better level of respect from Elfkind in general by being at 'approaching Elven Mage Undergraduate status'- having completed at least Teclis' entry-level curriculum.
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Perhaps I should have put this
Smily after the colon to better communicate that it was joke using exageration for comic effect?Edit: A less exagerated version would be "...Your next job is to finish this one. Now write the dictionary Matty. I know how you creative types are but I did give you this job instead of Thorek's boy."
Also I didn't mean it as a death threat at all.
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Branulhune is quite good at it, too.
"Take a nap. You sound like you could use it. If you could work on the dictionary once you are rested, that would be nice, but sleep first. I'll have someone give Wolf a bucket of snow if you're asleep for more than a month, in case you caught a case of Dragon."
It really depends on how long it would take to get to Lord Magister. The invitation is "when you have the time" but I don't think putting it off too long just to get a title rank up would give the best impression either.
As I understand it our big barrier now to getting Lord Magister is that our big achievements are either outside the empire or of the "can't tell people" variety.
Actually that's a point, @BoneyM You've mentioned before that a lot of what Grey Magisters do that the empire will never know about is still known within the grey college walls. Does the average grey mage hanging around the colleges know about Mathilde's little take down of the college of Necromancy or is that still classified up the wazoo?
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
The (Perhaps I should have put this
) is a good face, and deserves to appear more, yes. Tone can be very difficult to discern at times.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
"I did not catch a case of dragon, the darned thing flew off before I got the chance!""Take a nap. You sound like you could use it. If you could work on the dictionary once you are rested, that would be nice, but sleep first. I'll have someone give Wolf a bucket of snow if you're asleep for more than a month, in case you caught a case of Dragon."
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
"All I did was ask it out on a date!"
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- Aotearoa
I mean, the time period to use the open invitation was between "now and when the world ends"...
The long-lived Elves don't think of time the same way humans, wizards or even Dwarves do.
I have no concerns about waiting on that score. In fact, it'd probably be considered polite in Elvish to 'finish what Teclis oh so graciously granted' before asking for more magical lore...
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- Aotearoa
Oh, yeah, token protest vote.
[X] Cordon the mountain off and wash your hands of the whole business.
Matty thinks Eshin will up and leave if/when they win, anyway.
[X] Cordon the mountain off and wash your hands of the whole business.
Matty thinks Eshin will up and leave if/when they win, anyway.
Thus, probably no actual need to go risking ourselves against multiple peer/magical assassins.
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- Spain
I doubt that the soft time limit works that way, especially when we have already told Belegar that it is going to be a long project... I am pretty sure that the time limit is less when does he expect us to finish and more about getting a significant progress done on the topic, in this case I am pretty sure that learning written Queekinsh in a Year would qualify for the soft time limit...
Better to ask the QM... @BoneyM a couple of questions.
Would learning written Queekish qualify as enough for the hypothetical yearlong soft time limit for the project?
Since we have already warned Belegar that completing the translation of Queekish would be a long project, and discounting Belegar exhilaration from finishing the conquest of K8P... How long would be the hypothetical timelimit until Belegar would want tangible results (I mean results in the sense of a finished Dictionary, not progress towards the goal like knowing most of the written language or the spoken version)?
Belegar would prefer to get the Skaven Language guide ASAP, or would he prefer to get a better quality book even if he had to wait for six months or a full year?
If we hire the linguists and Mathilde finishes one of the versions of the dictionary, would it be possible for them to do the other version by themselves?
The thing is that Skaven Civil Wars normally take decades or even centuries to resolve themselves so we have a pretty generous window of opportunity here, more than enough to wait for a few more turns so that the quality of the final book is as high as possible.
with the hope that not going that deep into Battle Magic is seen as sensible.
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AH. I think I maybe misunderstood you at first? I don't mind holding of to deliver a better product at the end of the project. I just don't want to do what I've seen some people advocate for and ignore or under work on it in order to focus of AV or other pet research topics.
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- Aotearoa
Oh, I don't think every spell needs to be learned, especially battle magic- and indeed not every spell was made by Teclis.
See Melkoth, and Mathilde!
It's more that Lord Magister represents the assessment of Teclis' College Programme that you have reached the highest level of competency awardable at the institution.
Like adding the Honours year (Lord) to an undergraduate degree (Magister), from an Elven perspective. Or A-Levels on top of GCSEs.
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Reading through the first edition handbook, an interesting note about Fire Elementalists and the Bright College; they're not just focused on the same spells, they're literally the same spell-casting tradition. As in, Fire Elementalists cast from the Bright Magic Spell list (in addition to the elementalist spell list), they just have a different fluff about learning it, and they're intensely bitter about the defectors just walking over to Altdorf and forsaking elementalism to call themselves color mages. Sort of like the Jade college and the Druids, except the Fire Elementalist holdouts weren't religious about it.
This has interesting implications about the ritual to summon Incarnations, considering that the main example of them we've got in text was made through a ritual conducted by the Bright colleges.
This has interesting implications about the ritual to summon Incarnations, considering that the main example of them we've got in text was made through a ritual conducted by the Bright colleges.
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- Spain
Yes, the thing is that there are quite a few people who just want to finish the dictionary next turn so that we can get a new research topic (I think they want Blegar to sponsor Snek Juice), I was just saying that we should not rush the Dictionary, and that it would be better to use 1-2 more turns to increase the quality of the finished product than rushing things.
Hell, it may even be interesting to give a shot on Spoken Queekish and then publish the complete edition of "Quuekish for Dummies" after we learn it.
- Location
- Manchester, UK
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Them leaving the mountain is not a perfect outcome. As many others have pointed out they could stick around in hiding, and/or come back easily and at will through whatever routes it is they'll use to leave - teaching other Esshin the tricks and paths while they're at it.
Yes, we can leave them to be a problem for later, that's a perfectly reasonable option. But that doesn't mean that there's no value to nipping the problem in the bud.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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- Lickwidget
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Okay I generally think the Belegar association is optional and you are right, it probably should be left out. I do not think that she can separate herself from her identity as a human who is sworn to loyalty to the Empire of Man and the Grey College, because that's hoe she introduced herself and how the Nagarythe Ambassador acknowledged her. She is that and I don't think the polite fiction really can exist when she's going there to be a badass wizard using Ulgu, a Grey. And even if it did, it'd likely evaporate if she manages to make a bad impression. Not very likely in my opinion but its a good highlight to the fragility of any polite fiction.
And its not like we can pass the buck o anyone who is better than Mathilde at diplomacy because the invitation was for her specifically. So if if she can't pass the buck, and its going to be making a statement anyway, it is best to make a good statement and stack the deck to do so by my thinking.
There's also the notion that even if she does manage the polite fiction of "I am just a cool human wizard" that still falls under the effect of my third point which is that there is likely stuff that is rep gated behind making a better impression and being better at getting a good reputation by being more effective.
I'll give you that the average elf shadowwarrior may be as good as Mathilde instead of better, but that does still leave the folks who are more experienced and they're almost certainly going to be the ones making the decisions. Including those about if she can stay longer.
As for the metric we're going to be measured by that one is from us being human, and the only way I see to push it towards a more reasonable band is by being well prepared and better than we are now (My list I've mentioned before and Red Shirts are basically what I want) and/or getting promoted to Wizard Lord. Its also worth noting that even for an elf Asarnil is arrogant, because of his sheer might and skill with blades. Not all eleves I think should be expected to hold the three point scale.