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I'm not interested in attacking it, just making a cordon to stop the Skaven from uniting and then cutting an escape path through and potentially leading it into our lines while they duck into the Underways and come back a few years later at the head of a horde.

Yes, this is a worst case scenario, but it's not a complete fantasy--they're notoriously good at putting aside even previously deadly arguments to unite against an outside foe, and Mors and Eshin are the two more disciplined clans--and thus are more likely to achieve such a thing than many.

If that happens and we're not there to intercept them, that's a big problem, because we'd have a hard time catching them, and a free elite skaven block running around behind our front lines can do enormous damage even if you remove spite from the equation.

I'd like to point out that from our last scouting report lines of command have largely collapsed for both Mors and Eshin:

Now they're locked in a completely disorderly mess of a battle through the entirety of Under-Karag Yar and some of the mountain above too, and the only way to disengage anything but the smallest fraction of either force is the complete extermination of the enemy.

It is extremely unlikely that they could rally their troops for anything if their lines are this fractured, much less taking on an Emperor Dragon. Never mind extricating them from the enemy clan when pretty much everyone is berserking because of the Black Hunger. Skaven in Black Hunger attack and cannibalize their own brothers in arms if they can't get anything else. You're going to need more than stern orders from the top to get them to make common cause with their enemy.

It should also be noted that Eshins top operatives are called Assassins for a reason. Decapitation strikes are a huge part of their doctrine. They would certainly have attempted to kill the enemies supreme commander, which means it is extremely likely that either Sleek or most of Eshins top ranks or even both are already dead at this point. This also means that any attempt to forge a temporary alliance is unlikely to succeed, because Sleek will rightly expect treachery from the rats whose entire thing is underhanded killing and who will have attempted to assassinate him multiple times this day if they ask to meet with him to discuss a truce.

If anyone is escaping from this mess it will be small groups of disorganised survivors and potentially Eshin operatives. Since you seem mostly worried about Lords i'd also like to point out that Eshin Assassins are generally as stealthy as Mathilde, and i doubt a bunch of rushed field fortifications would prevent her from slipping out. Certainly didn't stop her when she made her raids on the Skaven lairs of K8P. If any Eshin Lord tier character wants to leave Yar, there isn't really anything we can do to stop them.
 
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[X] RHYN: Assault the Trolls now.
[X] ZILFIN: Assault the mountain to slay any surviving Skaven.
[X] YAR: Make no move until you've scouted the Karag Yar battle.
-[X] Personally.

Doesn't both Eshin and Mors think that dwarves won't move? We can wait an hour to see whats happening first. Neither Mors nor Eshin can withdraw, the Black Hunger is on, they must either eat Eshin, Mors or the dragon or they die
 
I just feel so sorry for Belegar.

"What is the point of reconquering a Karak when I am not doing it to settle grudges, but rather to create a future for dawi... except only way I am successful at it is by abandoning the ways and methods of my ancestors, just like I abandoned their grudges. And you cannot have a future if you are dead and so many who came with me have died already."
*Belebro leaves K8P for a week, and comes back to see it fully reconquered and his enemies dead*
"What is the point of being a dawi king, if an umgi half-beard (if she could grow one) achieves more for killing my enemies and reclaiming my homeland - in a week and with less casualties - than I could in a decade?"
I am legitimately worried about this. Not just that we succeeded so hard, but that he might go "if I had been in command, this would not have worked out as well as it did, because I would have made the wrong call."
 
[X] YAR: Make no move until you've scouted the Karag Yar battle.
-[X] Personally.

[X] RHYN: Assault the Trolls now.

[X] ZILFIN: Assault the mountain to slay any surviving Skaven.
 
[X] YAR: Make no move until you've scouted the Karag Yar battle.
-[X] Personally.

[X] RHYN: Assault the Trolls now.

[X] ZILFIN: Assault the mountain to slay any surviving Skaven.
 
Considering how everything seems to be going in our favour during this campaign, I'm suspecting that Ranald may have played a roll in awakening that dragon :p
 
I have my eye on Karak Drazh. They dared to attack us. I'm hoping to turn their home into a living hell in return. By the time Thorgrim's throng comes to retake it, the orcs will be begging to be killed.
An action or a couple to ensure they do not unite under a single Warboss again wouldn't go amiss, at least. As long as they are fractured tribes warring with each other, instead of several hundreds of thousands of orcs blobbed together, Drazh is a viable military action.

I hope Gorfang or whoever is leading the WAAGH right now didn't leave a second in command over there or something. With how they rolled, chances are he did not, but... Our streak of luck gotta break one day, I think.
 
I am legitimately worried about this. Not just that we succeeded so hard, but that he might go "if I had been in command, this would not have worked out as well as it did, because I would have made the wrong call."
I admit to being worried about Dreng as well. He's supposed to be the the one in charge of handling threats inside the Karak, and Mathilde did a good portion of his job in a matter of hours.
 
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[X] YAR: Make no move until you've scouted the Karag Yar battle.
-[X] Personally.
[X] RHYN: Assault the Trolls now.
[X] ZILFIN: Assault the mountain to slay any surviving Skaven.
 
An action or a couple to ensure they do not unite under a single Warboss again wouldn't go amiss, at least. As long as they are fractured tribes warring with each other, instead of several hundreds of thousands of orcs blobbed together, Drazh is a viable military action.

I hope Gorfang or whoever is leading the WAAGH right now didn't leave a second in command over there or something. With how they rolled, chances are he did not, but...
Scouting and killing competent leaders.

But it's a bit premature at this point. Let's take care of the current crisis/opportunity first.

Hm.. Do any of the WHF languages have a single word that means both crisis and opportunity?
 
[X] RHYN: Assault the Trolls now.
[X] ZILFIN: Assault the mountain to slay any surviving Skaven.
[X] YAR: Make no move until you've scouted the Karag Yar battle.
-[X] Personally.

Doesn't both Eshin and Mors think that dwarves won't move? We can wait an hour to see whats happening first. Neither Mors nor Eshin can withdraw, the Black Hunger is on, they must either eat Eshin, Mors or the dragon or they die
We don't know what Eshin think. Unlike Mors, they are aware that some third party is constantly raiding Mors and that dwarfs have at least one too-stealthy-man-thing.

I can't say what conclusions they have reached.
 
Wonder if this might swap around martial positions. If there's no need for an internal/external divide with Eight Peaks secure, it might turn to Dwarf Forces/Allied(non-Dwarf) Forces Coordination instead.

Though that might wait until one of the two current Martial counselors retires from their job.

Internal defense is always going to be needed due to skaven.

The external position seems to be more about long range concerns, war coordination and diplomacy.
 
MATHILDE, to BELEGAR: So! I really wanted to ask for a vacation, but I understood that I couldn't have one with the current mess, so I tidied up a bit.

Can I please have a vacation now?
 
It is extremely unlikely that they could rally their troops for anything if their lines are this fractured, much less taking on an Emperor Dragon. Never mind extricating them from the enemy clan when pretty much everyone is berserking because of the Black Hunger. Skaven in Black Hunger attack and cannibalize their own brothers in arms if they can't get anything else. You're going to need more than stern orders from the top to get them to make common cause with their enemy.

But what is "extremely unlikely" in terms of raw probability? A 20% chance? A 10% chance? That's unlikely... but 10-20% chance events aren't so unlikely as to be outside the range of potential events to prepare for.
 
But what is "extremely unlikely" in terms of raw probability? A 20% chance? A 10% chance? That's unlikely... but 10-20% chance events aren't so unlikely as to be outside the range of potential events to prepare for.
1% percent chance or less. Theoretically possible but practically impossible. They are angry, starving and fighting for literal hours. Any semblance of a chain of command is absolutely destroyed. It would probably take multiple crits for them to unite into a complete force now.
 
[X] YAR: Fortify and garrison all entrances to the mountain.
- [X] Clan Angrund, Throng of Karak Azul, Karak Izor Immigrants, Kragg
- [X] Mathilde
[X] RHYN: Assault the Trolls now.
[X] ZILFIN: Assault the mountain to slay any surviving Skaven.
 
We don't know what Eshin think. Unlike Mors, they are aware that some third party is constantly raiding Mors and that dwarfs have at least one too-stealthy-man-thing.

I can't say what conclusions they have reached.
My guess:
-Eshin - They know the Dwarves have hired human help. They got no choice. The dragon is in THEIR base, killing their dudes. Whatever they think, they must fight. While the Black Hunger is on, they have the home ground, so if they drive off all enemy factions theres plenty of corpses.

-Mors - They think the dwarves are going to do the dwarf thing and turtle. They think the Caldera and Karagril is fine. If they had the choice they'd retreat, but the Black Hunger is on, and if they retreat they'd fall to infighting to be the last uneaten rat. So they must fight.

-Dragon - "Fuck those rats"
 
We're probably going to be scouting Yar personally if the current vote wins. Most likely, we'd take care of any meaningful resistance ourselves. Hopefully, the skaven bleed the dragon enough to bring it into the negotiating table.
 
[X] YAR: Make no move until you've scouted the Karag Yar battle.
-[X] Personally.

[X] RHYN: Assault the Trolls now.

[X] ZILFIN: Assault the mountain to slay any surviving Skaven.
 
Holy shit, we're going to finish reclaiming Karak Eight Peaks while Belegar's away.
You know, a feat this epic (if we're successful) calls for a new title.
Mathilde, Conqueror Thane of the Peaks?

Everyone besides her is a dwarf, dwarfs and dragons do not have the best history. Moreover she is likely to be the only one who has a common language with the dragon unfortunately.
If we do negotiate with the dragon, it might not be insane to bring a halfling; humans and dwarves are both known for hunting dragons, but not halflings. A halfling spokesman will seem nice and unthreatening.

As to what to offer the dragon, we could offer it an 'alliance' whereby however much of the mountain it wants for its territory is recognized as belonging to it, and we do our best to keep the area clear of skaven and other mutual enemies for it so it's not disturbed again in the future. If that's not enough we could toss in a steady supply of juicy cattle and maybe some treasure. We could also offer to use magic and runes to make its lair nice and chilly; dragons like the cold and hate how the Old Ones moved the world closer to the sun.

In short, give it everything it wants so we don't have to fight it right before a major orc invasion. I'd be nice if we could convince/hire it to help us keep the mountains clear of vermin when they turn up, but getting any use out of the dragon is optional and secondary to keeping it not murderously inclined towards us.

We should send word to the runelords in any case to prepare for fighting the dragon if we must. They might have weapons and armor lying around with the master rune of dragon slaying and the rune of the furnace. We'll need them.
 
Are we fortifying/holding the location of Mors base?

Cause if not, I've now got the image of them retreating from the dragon back home, finding the butchered base and Ratmothers, and well there's only one likely culprit for such a backstab manoeuvre in the eight peaks isn't there?

"DAMN ESHIN SCUM-SCUM! Gather the last of the rats! Eshin may have killed us but by the Horned Rat, we're taking them-them with us!"
 
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