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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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BoneyM said:
They only continue to exist in the form of meals.
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Huh, it occurs to me that while dwarves are ass at attacking trolls aggressively, their strong fixed emplacement ranged game means that defensively trolls are basically no threat as long as they come from predictable avenues.

Orcs are the opposite, their ranged game is completely ass and going into melee with trolls...well at least orcs are easy to replace?
Abhorsen said:
I don't think we should assault both Zilfin and Rhyn at once, as that will spread our forces thin. Also, there is no hurry with Rhyn. So I think we should attack Zilfin now, then clean up Rhyn after.
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Zilfin and Rhyn are not really assaults so much as mopping up broken forces. They contain only disorganized, isolated forces that any one Throng can solo without difficulty.
 
veekie said:
Huh, it occurs to me that while dwarves are ass at attacking trolls aggressively, their strong fixed emplacement ranged game means that defensively trolls are basically no threat as long as they come from predictable avenues.
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This is why I was voting to fortify Rhyn and wait for stronger ranged game to show up, or at least the next shipment of Slayers. But hopefully we can use the Undumgi+Besiegers to mop them up without too many casualties, at which point the only problem left in Rhyn is "getting all those corpses to the East Valley to become fertilizer."
 
Layers upon layers of mystery when we find out that the mystery bludgeoner is actually the real Johann who has been lost in the tunnels for years and punching his way back toward civilization.

We've been harboring a shiny doppelganger this entire time, this is why our training his martial messages have been ominous.
 
picklepikkl said:
This is why I was voting to fortify Rhyn and wait for stronger ranged game to show up, or at least the next shipment of Slayers. But hopefully we can use the Undumgi+Besiegers to mop them up without too many casualties, at which point the only problem left in Rhyn is "getting all those corpses to the East Valley to become fertilizer."
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Well, we should also have those 1,400+ handguns from Karak Hirn thanks to Ulthar for Troll-shooting.

BoneyM said:
"Karak Izor is building up too - with the amount of their population that came here, they want those that remain to punch as hard as possible. But the Hornhold came through for us - with Prince Ulthar's best wishes, just over fourteen hundred handguns."
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picklepikkl said:
@Alectai, I'm coming around to the anti-skaven-escape cordon, but I really don't think Kragg should be on the front lines. He should be back in the Caldera with the rest of our siege in the event that the dragon decides to cause us trouble. I don't want him in a place where a lucky Eshin can kill him.
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Unless it turns upon the Under-Caldera, or pursues fleeing Mors there.

It has to come through the main Underway Avenue. Which means we could park Kragg and Thorek and cannons on its way, in a place where its flight is sharply limited.
 
picklepikkl said:
This is why I was voting to fortify Rhyn and wait for stronger ranged game to show up, or at least the next shipment of Slayers. But hopefully we can use the Undumgi+Besiegers to mop them up without too many casualties, at which point the only problem left in Rhyn is "getting all those corpses to the East Valley to become fertilizer."
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Not really seeing it as a hazard. Lone trolls are straightforward to deal with, especially if they're busy eating rather than hunting. Having first strike makes all the difference if your first strike is a volley of crossbow bolts, and all the OTHER trolls are also too busy eating to look up.

They've starved for years there. So hungry they killed each other to make sure they get all the food, its going to be something like one troll per room or corridor, and maybe four in a large chamber.

Not really a better time to finish them off, particularly if the troll bits start regenerating given time.
 
[X] YAR: Fortify and garrison all entrances to the mountain.
-[X] Clan Angrund, Throng of Karak Azul, Karak Izor Immigrants
-[X] Mathilde

[X] RHYN: Assault the Trolls now.

[X] ZILFIN: Assault the mountain to slay any surviving Skaven.
 
I just feel so sorry for Belegar.

"What is the point of reconquering a Karak when I am not doing it to settle grudges, but rather to create a future for dawi... except only way I am successful at it is by abandoning the ways and methods of my ancestors, just like I abandoned their grudges. And you cannot have a future if you are dead and so many who came with me have died already."
*Belebro leaves K8P for a week, and comes back to see it fully reconquered and his enemies dead*
"What is the point of being a dawi king, if an umgi half-beard (if she could grow one) achieves more for killing my enemies and reclaiming my homeland - in a week and with less casualties - than I could in a decade?"
 
BoneyM said:
Throwing relatively unskilled melee infantry at Trolls achieves nothing but fatter Trolls. It will be a job for crossbows.
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"But the Orcs do it all the time!"

"Yes, and that's why there's Trolls in Karag Rhyn now and not Orcs."

veekie said:
Personally figure Kazador's throng would be ideal. Solid wall of bolts slamming into trolls is one of the better ways to KO them immediately in the first salvo.
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Depending on where Ulthar's handguns ended up, Karak Izor might be better, since Belegar wanted guns to handle Trolls. Of course, since the cleanup ops are being done with leftovers, we might be splitting up a couple of the forces to make sure handguns go to Rhyn.
 
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As a side thought, I also feel Less Bad about us calling in the troops via Thorgrim in the situation where we luck it up and manage to claim everything/destroy the entire waaagh before they even arrive. :V

Even if there's no fighting to be done in this utopia situation, we sure as hell are gonna need the hands to wall up the vast holdings that we have nowhere near enough bodies to do by ourselves in a timely manner.
 
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ADarkerPorpoise said:
As a side thought, I also feel Less Bad about us calling in the troops via Thorgrim in the situation where we luck it up and manage to claim everything/destroy the entire waaagh before they even arrive. :V

Even if there's no fighting to be done in this utopia situation, we sure as hell are gonna need the hands to wall up the vast holdings that we have nowhere near enough bodies to do by ourselves in a timely manner.
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"Why th' hell didja even call us?!"
"To be fair at the time I had no idea they were going to do most of the job for us. But we could really use some help putting up some barricades until people can start actually living here again?"
 
One thing I will admit is that if we manage this it will be interesting to see how things go when we don't have a bunch of enemies at our doorstep.
 
[X] YAR: Fortify and garrison all entrances to the mountain.
- [X] Clan Angrund, Throng of Karak Azul, Karak Izor Immigrants
- [X] Mathilde
[X] RHYN: Assault the Trolls now.
[X] ZILFIN: Assault the mountain to slay any surviving Skaven.
 
Sinsystems said:
One thing I will admit is that if we manage this it will be interesting to see how things go when we don't have a bunch of enemies at our doorstep.
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Wonder if this might swap around martial positions. If there's no need for an internal/external divide with Eight Peaks secure, it might turn to Dwarf Forces/Allied(non-Dwarf) Forces Coordination instead.

Though that might wait until one of the two current Martial counselors retires from their job.
 
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Trying to lock Yar down honestly doesnt seem like that great a plan.

On the other hand...

That dragon makes me nervous, hopefully it doesn't just decide to kill us?

[X] RHYN: Assault the Trolls now.
[X] ZILFIN: Assault the mountain to slay any surviving Skaven.
 
Sinsystems said:
One thing I will admit is that if we manage this it will be interesting to see how things go when we don't have a bunch of enemies at our doorstep.
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Theoretically, there is still Karak Drazh on our doorsteps. We'll have to scout it, methinks, and if it is in a bad shape and Karaz Ankor politics do not prevent gathering of an expedition to retake it, we'll might need to spend a number of next turn's action to kick it while it is down; so it stays down until dawi get there.
 
[X] YAR: Make no move until you've scouted the Karag Yar battle.
-[X] Personally.

[X] RHYN: Assault the Trolls now.

[X] ZILFIN: Assault the mountain to slay any surviving Skaven.
 
Sinsystems said:
One thing I will admit is that if we manage this it will be interesting to see how things go when we don't have a bunch of enemies at our doorstep.
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I have my eye on Karak Drazh. They dared to attack us. I'm hoping to turn their home into a living hell in return. By the time Thorgrim's throng comes to retake it, the orcs will be begging to be killed.
 
Just now considering how the other War Council members with us are taking this whole thing, if they're as similarly incredulous as we are.

I imagine that when they have a few seconds spare time they're probably wondering how Belegar is gonna react to all this when he get's back, and promptly thinking 'Thank Grimnir I'm not the one who has to explain all of this to him,' with a guilty look to Mathilde.

Except Kazador. I couldn't even begin to fathom what goes on in that head.
 
SakSak said:
I just feel so sorry for Belegar.

"What is the point of reconquering a Karak when I am not doing it to settle grudges, but rather to create a future for dawi... except only way I am successful at it is by abandoning the ways and methods of my ancestors, just like I abandoned their grudges. And you cannot have a future if you are dead and so many who came with me have died already."
*Belebro leaves K8P for a week, and comes back to see it fully reconquered and his enemies dead*
"What is the point of being a dawi king, if an umgi half-beard (if she could grow one) achieves more for killing my enemies and reclaiming my homeland - in a week and with less casualties - than I could in a decade?"
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The great part about being a Dawi king is there's room on the payroll for all the exceptional Umgi he could ever want.
 
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