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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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picklepikkl said:
I don't think that's true.

For us to be able to hire two more Wizards, it would have to drop the AP cost of the two organizations we manage to 1/3 instead of 1/2. I think we only get 1 more for free if we pick up Collegiate.

The problem with this is that magic is famously difficult to teach to other people directly, because everyone's means of manipulating magic is so individual to them, and unlike the process of learning a normal spell where you can fuck up a bit without danger, every time they fuck up they will be exposed to ambient Dhar.
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Let me elaborate. We've got two wizards employed, we have the Duck Club (Which I think functionally counts as a wizard slot), and then we have the EIC which is a half action.

Reasonably certain that we'd get going over a tiny bit rounded down for the sake of sanity, as most of our delegation slots are involved with wizarding and the rest is relatively low-attention. Therefore, we get two more wizard slots if we pick up Collegiate.

That's the theory anyway.
 
Alectai said:
Let me elaborate. We've got two wizards employed, we have the Duck Club (Which I think functionally counts as a wizard slot), and then we have the EIC which is a half action.

Reasonably certain that we'd get going over a tiny bit rounded down for the sake of sanity, as most of our delegation slots are involved with wizarding and the rest is relatively low-attention. Therefore, we get two more wizard slots if we pick up Collegiate.

That's the theory anyway.
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Ah; I see where we part ways. I interpret the Duck Club as an organization, not as a wizard, and so it'd stay at 1/2 AP even after we pick up Collegiate.

If we get a trait vote out of this nonsense, and if Collegiate is on the list, I guess we can ask about it then.
 
Your ambitions don't match your rhetoric.

'I want this to share with other wizards'
'But if you fuck up, that not only produces dhar and causes insanity, but it would be proscribed right quick by the colleges themselves the first time it happened (everyone loves a scapegoat)'

The 'problem' is that the method is not only a adaption of necromancy that leads easily back into it, it's also less safe than normal spellcasting and presumably harder too, so a failure all around, even before trying.

Teclis, just about the most thoughtful spellcaster on the setting 'solution' for human spellcasting was 'let's just ignore the other winds and let humans mutate in harmony with their chosen wind instead of becoming a cancer mess of contradictory impulses in mind and body', your 'solution' is to attempt to make a task that he considered too onerous possible by augmenting the difficulty instead of simplifying it like he did.

Alike to playing a piano with a small hammer, if the piano produced poison clouds each time it was out of tune.
 
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SCO said:
Your ambitions don't match your rhetoric.

'I want this to share with other wizards'
'But if you fuck up, that not only produces dhar and causes insanity, but it would be proscribed right quick by the colleges themselves the first time it happened (everyone loves a scapegoat)'
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Fucking up with magic creates dhar no matter what... or does something just as bad.
 
ninjafish said:
That's not trollish at all.

It's perfectly legitimate path to want to explore.

Just because you don't agree with me doesn't make me a troll my dude.
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The threat has rejected both your opinion and your basic premise. Necromancy is against every bit of character building we have put into Mathilde, and the psychological damage that would be needed for it to make sense amounts to identity death.

We want to be Mathilde, not a broken/insane wretch.
 
veekie said:
Chill dude.
Beware the banner


Ninjafish holds a minority opinion, and is very vocal about it but thats not a reason for personal attacks
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Thank you veekie.

Also quick tip everyone, arguing with me won't work if I'm deadset on something and you can't prove me wrong to my own standards.

The only thing that will get me off this is WOG from boney that it absolutely will not work.

If you want me to stop yammering about something, just politely tell me to stop.

If you argue or debate me though, my response is to argue or debate back.
 
Glau said:
We drank deep that night, and would that have been there only thing that's happened since last I wrote it would be enough.
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Quick question. Does anybody beside the Dwarven Authority know about our Tower of Doom? Because I would assume that whenever the shadows freaking moved the people would notice. But, since we only did a small testfire, I doubt anybody else knows exactly what our Tower of Doom entails.
 
Alright so... change of subject.

Mathilde X Sweet Sciency magic is the OTP.

Come at me shippers.
 
In general I think we should leave the "improve the human species as a whole"-project to people better suited for it.
We have no particular traits, insights or opportunities in it.

Sure, Mathilde herself can become something else by being more and more Ulgu than human, but that's not something we can share.
Similarly Gold Wizards can gild themselves and I'm sure Jade Wizards have ways of optimizing their bodies too, but that's nothing that can be shared on a larger scale.

The Lady's blessing isn't shared with too many targets either and even Khatep's method, should he ever succede, will be designed for his King and maybe a few others, not ready for mass-production.

So as far as I can tell there have been no relevant advances towards racial improvement by anyone not an Old One, we have no real point to start working from and should forget about the idea.
 
ninjafish said:
We are immune to dhar exposure.

And goal is to find a way to do it without producing dhar.

if we can manage that, then we can just teach people the correct method instead of all the trials and error bits.
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That is not the argument he is going against.

You just said "The only reason the gods said nectomancy was evil is cause it made humans immortal"

He pointed out that the immortality was driving the creator insane and evil, and doing the same to everyone he taught so maybe the gods where upset at that part rather than that it gave immortality.

You are now saying "But we are safe, so we should do it" ignoring, or dismissing, the point he is making. Please look at it again and come up with a better response.
 
dunk1010 said:
That is not the argument he is going against.

You just said "The only reason the gods said nectomancy was evil is cause it made humans immortal"

He pointed out that the immortality was driving the creator insane and evil, and doing the same to everyone he taught so maybe the gods where upset at that part rather than that it gave immortality.

You are now saying "But we are safe, so we should do it" ignoring, or dismissing, the point he is making. Please look at it again and come up with a better response.
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You've missed your window to argue with me pal, i've moved on to shipping mathilde with the platonic embodiment of science.
 
OmegaS said:
The threat has rejected both your opinion and your basic premise. Necromancy is against every bit of character building we have put into Mathilde, and the psychological damage that would be needed for it to make sense amounts to identity death.

We want to be Mathilde, not a broken/insane wretch.
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Look, people talking like that is basically part of the thread culture. If you understand where they're coming from it makes perfect sense, and you can engage or disregard it at your leisure, but if you take it seriously then it's basically just choosing to fight against something you can't beat them on because they're not coming from a place of logic, it's part of how they enjoy the quest. Ninjafish posts in many threads with a similar viewpoint, and it's not like they're hurting anybody.

Also, we'd never, ever be a broken or insane wretch, because Mathilde can only be what the thread is. We can justify using Dhar to ourselves and we'll be perfectly internally consistent. Mathilde can't be the raving lunatic villain, only the 'no, you fools, you don't understand!' villain.
 
TimEd said:
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Quick question. Does anybody beside the Dwarven Authority know about our Tower of Doom? Because I would assume that whenever the shadows freaking moved the people would notice. But, since we only did a small testfire, I doubt anybody else knows exactly what our Tower of Doom entails.
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Thanks, thought I caught them all with the editing pass but guess there's always one.

Regards the tower, I think the more likely situation is that there are a dozen rumors about the tower's actual capabilies, so having all the real information out there but only as one theory among many is my bet.
 
chocolote12 said:
Look, people talking like that is basically part of the thread culture. If you understand where they're coming from it makes perfect sense, and you can engage or disregard it at your leisure, but if you take it seriously then it's basically just choosing to fight against something you can't beat them on because they're not coming from a place of logic, it's part of how they enjoy the quest. Ninjafish posts in many threads with a similar viewpoint, and it's not like they're hurting anybody.

Also, we'd never, ever be a broken or insane wretch, because Mathilde can only be what the thread is. We can justify using Dhar to ourselves and we'll be perfectly internally consistent. Mathilde can't be the raving lunatic villain, only the 'no, you fools, you don't understand!' villain.
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This.

Me and @Omegahugger are the sweet voice of madness whispering in the back of mathildes mind.

Destined to one day overcome the others sanity and SHOW THEM ALL!.
 
ninjafish said:
We are immune to dhar exposure.

And goal is to find a way to do it without producing dhar.

if we can manage that, then we can just teach people the correct method instead of all the trials and error bits.
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You stated that nercomancy only gets a bad rep because of the gods hating it.

I countered by showing the quote from Vlad about nercomancy making people crazy and stating that is why nercomancy has a really bad rap.

I dont see how Mathilde being immune to dhar is relevant to this facet of the argument. Unless you are hoping to create a dharless nercomancy which is a sharp departure from your previous statements about trying to find new lores of magic.

ninjafish said:
I mean... vampires are a further step in human evolution
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If a dwarf drank from that original blood elixir would they have become a vampire? It is an interesting question if vampirism is a step in human evolution or simply a step on to a different evolutionary track. We know vampires can change. Just look at the original blood night or that beast vampire. They explicitly changed. An interesting thought experiment.

Anyway back to your original statement about vampires being the next step in human evolution. That is a highly debatable stance. Even if it were true that does not make vampirism the best next step in human development. Only a possible next step.
 
ninjafish said:
Alright so... change of subject.

Mathilde X Sweet Sciency magic is the OTP.

Come at me shippers.
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Nah. There is no mutuality there, no way both parties would commit to sharing a thing, and the sharing is where the cuteness comes in. That and cuddles. Science-chan is much more like a frosty aloof maiden who never actual care about you, who you can spend an entire life pursuing and not get more than a handful of petty secrets.

Choose warm blood and wrapped up closeness!

Now, if you would have argued for wolf instead, I'd have a much harder time insisting on a human, preferably *cough*Johann*cough*.
 
Neshuakadal said:
If a dwarf drank from that original blood elixir would they have become a vampire? It is an interesting question if vampirism is a step in human evolution or simply a step on to a different evolutionary track. We know vampires can change. Just look at the original blood night or that beast vampire. They explicitly changed. An interesting thought experiment.

Anyway back to your original statement about vampires being the next step in human evolution. That is a highly debatable stance. Even if it were true that does not make vampirism the best next step in human development. Only a possible next step.
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That's what i said though.

I never said they were the best step, just that they're still better what humans currently got going on.

Like ideally it would be the perfected immortality thing that nagash created, but that can't really be replicated.
 
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Neshuakadal said:
If a dwarf drank from that original blood elixir would they have become a vampire? It is an interesting question if vampirism is a step in human evolution or simply a step on to a different evolutionary track. We know vampires can change. Just look at the original blood night or that beast vampire. They explicitly changed. An interesting thought experiment.

Anyway back to your original statement about vampires being the next step in human evolution. That is a highly debatable stance. Even if it were true that does not make vampirism the best next step in human development. Only a possible next step.
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I believe only humans can become vampires according to canon.
 
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