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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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NuclearConsensus said:
She's also the most likely candidate we have for the identity of Pan's mother so that might make things more interesting if she ends up involved.
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I'm fairly sure Pan's mother was a teacher, not a battle wizard.

DragonParadox said:
I do not think we strictly have to negotiate anything. There is a reason why we did not take any elves with us, the people making the stones will be all imperial wizards whom they cannot interfere with by law, but it would be nice to know where they stand. Maybe we can even throw them a bone, promise them some tributaries if they back off.
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Boney mentioned that there was a "political element" to the dreaming wood rollout that had prevented Laurelorn from implementing it, which is why it's on our list of actions.

We also have all three elves (and Aksel) on the tributary action.

Boney said:
Not just that, there's also political elements about getting them set up on the frontier with Nordland, where they're most needed because the lornalim got cleared out but where having a bunch of Elves doing magic things within mortar range of Nordland settlements might not be super advisable.
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Nerdasaurus Rex said:
IBoney mentioned that there was a "political element" to the dreaming wood rollout that had prevented Laurelorn from implementing it, which is why it's on our list of actions.

We also have all three elves (and Aksel) on the tributary action.
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Oh right, I had mixed it up with the Sylvania action, then yeah it might be politics, though we can always just use magisters for the bits that are in mortar range. It's not like we have to negotiate if we do not want to, just inform that shooting at the magisters will have the usual consequences.
 
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DragonParadox said:
Oh right, I had mixed it up with the Sylvania action, then yeah it might be politics, though we can always just use magisters for the bits that are in mortar range. It's not like we have to negotiate if we do not have to, just inform that shooting at the magisters will have the usual consequences.
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"Don't make me come over there", basically. But Nordland is very tense about magic on their border, and we don't know if the EC is the type to play "fuck around and find out" with the Colleges, so I think it warrants a bit more emphasis than "I'm a scary wizard lady, stay out of my way".
 
Murazor said:
[X] Karlsbridge and Old Town

Kind of late to the vote, but I am voting this primarily because I think that if Praag actually ever ends as the frontline of a new Great War, there may be greater military value in having the area inside the inner walls of the city completely freeish of corruption, rather than having a greater stretch of the cityscape down to whatever is normal for Praag nowadays.

Not bothering to look too much into the concerns regarding wider political impacts. They have been argued to death at this point and there is merit in both positions.
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On those time scales all rollout choices have the same results.

This is about the shortest term effects (party/purge/production) and the general vibe we'll give off when we try to sell waystones to other people.
 
A) "waystones are for protecting and enriching the lives of the people"

B) "waystones are for declaring war on the strongholds of chaos"

C) "waystones are for reclaiming tainted lands and growing the economy"

D) "waystones are for aiding religious organisations in their sacred duties"

Waystones can—and will—do all of the above, but first impressions count.
 
Rereading the Dum Expedition. Some thoughts
  1. More paranoid than a bunch of long-tailed cats in a room full of rocking chairs is a wonderful image
  2. Ergrimm is delightfully sinister and suspicious. These days I'm pretty sure he's loyal, but those early appearances are so ambiguous. You can tell Boney had a lot of fun with him. Also a great example of suspense vs surprise.
  3. The but with the Mathilde Age: she liked us, so she made the world a better place for us was surprisingly heartwarming. Though right now Kislev is the target. Still, we need at least one more big thing to really make em feel it.
 
Something I just thought of, we know Waystones disconnected from the network can still funnel magic from their location to the next stop in the leyline, that's what's happening in Sylvania where the remaining Waystones are making some places less crappy to live at the expense of making other parts more crappy to live by funneling a massive amount of Dhar and Winds easily turned into Dhar at them.
Boney said:
Chances are that somewhere from many to most of them aren't part of the network any more, they're making one place livable at the cost of making another place nasty even by Sylvania standards.
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I wonder if that's what's happening in New Town it occupies the northern section of Praag and so any leylines from Waystones in the north would logically be routed through Waystones in New Town before being funneled into the Nexus. Except Asavar Kul came along and destroyed all the Waystones in Newtown and the Chaos Wastes expanded southwards meaning the northern Waystones were suddenly sending a lot more than before Dhar and now New Town is being constantly bombarded by the massive amounts of Dhar the northern Waystones are continuing to send southwards oblivious to the fact that the link to the Nexus is broken and the remaining Waystones in the other city districts don't have enough capacity or range to cleanse New Town of its Dhar, at most managing to prevent their own districts from getting worse by sucking away Dhar that leaks out of New Town.
 
Boney said:
It's possible, but the problem with roads is that people can and do travel in both directions along them, and if the Winds you pump into them do the same thing then they'll start colliding. Riverine transmission was easy to make work because rivers generally only flow in one direction.
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Could something like Alternating Current work for leylines? It doesn't have to switch as rapidly as electricity does. If the speed of magic through air is 750 miles per hour, you'd expect that to be slower through road but faster through a leyline, so perhaps it'd be fast enough to send a packet of magic from one road-Waystone to another before switching the direction. (I'm sure Mathilde knows basically nothing about AC, just like me.) Citation:
Boney said:
propagation speed of magic through air, about 750 miles per hour.
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Derpmind said:
Could something like Alternating Current work for leylines? It doesn't have to switch as rapidly as electricity does. If the speed of magic through air is 750 miles per hour, you'd expect that to be slower through road but faster through a leyline, so perhaps it'd be fast enough to send a packet of magic from one road-Waystone to another before switching the direction. (I'm sure Mathilde knows basically nothing about AC, just like me.) Citation:
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Thing is, AC works because you don't want any material transport. That's why DC has to be a circuit. You just want to transmit a push. It's like hydraulics that way.

With the winds, you do in fact want transport. With AC, the winds would just wriggle around but stay in place. That might be useful to transmit a message, but not to move magic.
 
BurnNote said:
Thing is, AC works because you don't want any material transport. That's why DC has to be a circuit. You just want to transmit a push. It's like hydraulics that way.

With the winds, you do in fact want transport. With AC, the winds would just wriggle around but stay in place. That might be useful to transmit a message, but not to move magic.
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Could the 'message' be Dhar? Have the Dhar go one way, while the magic in general doesn't? (Never mind that leylines themselves use Dhar...) But you'd still need something to drain or use the magic up somewhere, so maybe that just makes a different problem.

Edit: I think my idea is just too complicated, regardless of if it would even work or not. Eh.
 
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Derpmind said:
Could something like Alternating Current work for leylines? It doesn't have to switch as rapidly as electricity does. If the speed of magic through air is 750 miles per hour, you'd expect that to be slower through road but faster through a leyline, so perhaps it'd be fast enough to send a packet of magic from one road-Waystone to another before switching the direction. (I'm sure Mathilde knows basically nothing about AC, just like me.) Citation:
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AC only works because electricity is weird and allows you to cheat by transporting nothing and just slightly wiggling all the components of the 'flow' around. The approach is thus useless in other context.
 
Derpmind said:
Could the 'message' be Dhar? Have the Dhar go one way, while the magic in general doesn't? (Never mind that leylines themselves use Dhar...) But you'd still need something to drain or use the magic up somewhere, so maybe that just makes a different problem.

Edit: I think my idea is just too complicated, regardless of if it would even work or not. Eh.
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No, because Dhar is a substance. It's not the message carried by the substance, it just another bit of substance.

Again, imagine hydraulics. You don't have the water in there actually moving (or at least, not a lot), it's just used to transmit a force. Electricity works the same way, what you use is not the movement of electrons (even in DC, the electrons actually move quite slowly on a macroscopic level, like cm/h, but it doesn't matter because we don't use that), but electrons pushing on each other.

Or put another way: If you and someone else hold a rope. You can give it a shake, and a hump (wavepaket in physics speak) will travel to the other person, and they can notice. You send a message. But the rope stayed in place. Or if you want to help them move, you can pull on the rope, and it will mostly stay in place. If you keep switching of who is pulling, you've got rope AC. This is super useful if you want to transmit messages, or force, because the stuff you use for transport stays in place. But it's not going to help you if you want to move ropes around, you have to gather it up and move it yourself in that case. (Or you just let go of the rope and the other guy keeps pulling. The other guy in this case is the Vortex.)
 
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@Boney odd question, has Kragg ever been to KAU? Because I find the notion of him interacting with the Librar-We adorable. They would not even know they are being scowled at, but less that there is anything special about this not-green-small-four-leg. On the other side of things I think he might find himself impressed with their diligence if he thought about it.
 
I'm not surprised that new town is winning, but I really do hope that some consequences are actually seen. Like, for all that people are about making a big stand, in the short term, I expect the Z'ra to be doing a lot of putting down his own populace who think we're another bunch of snake oil salesmen.

It'll help, I get that, but it's also the explicitly painful option, and I want that to be apparent instead of being some report that feels distant.
 
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