chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
I mean, I'm desirous of a minor war-turn, although I can't foresee many decision points. It'll hopefully be a little more than a distant report.
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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- England, unfortunately.
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- She/They
I'm fine with that. I just hope that this shows that our actions do have consequences. And maybe this is even the right call, in some respects… but maybe it's also the call that will result in a higher bodycount, in return for a more thorough and effective cleansing.
I dunno. This just feels like something where there's going to be a cost for pushing aggressively.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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- The Destination of Fate
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- She/Her
Re: Panoramia's mother, I've always thought that the most fun possibility for her identity is for her to have been the enchanter that made Mathilde's Seed. It might not actually be the case - I don't recall if her actual job or dedicated role has been explicitly said in the narrative - but it's a fun mental image.
This feels like the start of an answer to "How could we make Caledor Dragontamer as mad as possible?"
- Location
- France
It'll be a cost paid by other people after we return to the other end of the continent.
I think we'll probably have an option to get involved as part of the social turn, though.
Boney has said that the pain would be felt by Chaos being riled up, and also soldiers dying and being wounded to take and hold parts of Newtown for waystones to go into.
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- England, unfortunately.
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- She/They
well yeah. But I want to actually see that instead of it being swept under the rug as not our problem.
This is necessary. It's also going to get people killed. Least that can be done is to acknowledge that instead of having it be a footnote.
This is necessary. It's also going to get people killed. Least that can be done is to acknowledge that instead of having it be a footnote.
Yeah, pretty much. Some examples from the past:
- Remember those dwarfs we had divested of their ancestral secrets to get Thorek onboard? Never heard back from them.
- Remember the noble family (from Praag even) we framed for killing the Tsar? At least we know they are dead, that's something.
- Heck, remember the Tsar we killed? That definitely had consequences, all of them positive for us and the Project
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[X] Karlsbridge and Old Town
This is just more of the catastrophizing people have been doing. Again, all options are going to happen no matter what. This is purely a question of messaging in which all outcomes are positive. The fight to retake New Town is inevitable unless we never gave them waystones at all, and people are not going to rise up in revolt because we didn't pander to them enough beforehand.
Tasoli
Life is for Living
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- Behind the Keyboard.
Considering that all of the options are going to happen no matter what if you want to see the consequences vote for the Newtown. Otherwise you will never hear about the operation to clear Newtown at all.
That is the point, Which rollout action we want to see is the vote, others will happen too we (and the rest of the world) just won't hear them.
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- England, unfortunately.
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- She/They
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You know what, fuck it, I've had a long enough day and If I think any more about this, I will actively and louydly pick fights in the thread.
Fuck all of you, I'm chilling out for about a month. Fuck today and all ti's stress, Fuck everyone and everything fuck me for beiong a miserakle old bitch.
Fuck all of you, I'm chilling out for about a month. Fuck today and all ti's stress, Fuck everyone and everything fuck me for beiong a miserakle old bitch.
Sadly no. Caledorian Angerology is a niche subject, but still highly advanced, and some of the best wizards have worked in it. There's open questions in the field, but the maximalisation question has long been settled. There's some ideas to push beyond the current theory, but all attempts to test those have failed. And I don't see us getting involved there, because the ressource barrier to entry is quite high. I don't see us getting an army to invade Ulthuan and destroy the nexus anytime soon.
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- Greece
How about making him as annoyed as possible without making him actually angry, then?
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- Who knows?
Fighting and death will be needed to clear out New Town even with Waystones. Usually those least powerful are gonna take the brunt of the cost. However, I think Praag would be taking military action against New Town semi-frequently even without/before Mathilde coming in with "Dhar be Gone" there--See Sylvania and the semi-frequent "Undead Stomping" campaigns. No one believes those actually fix the problem long term, but it's done to try and keep too much from spilling outwards. While obviously any Chaos aligned group/being capable of thinking is gonna escalate once its clear this is existential and that will cause suffering/pain that likely wouldn't have otherwise happened in the short term, I don't think the existing status quo between New Town and Old Town is that peaceful and bloodless.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
Only if the Zar is a amazingly incompetent spin doctor.
Mainstream theory says that this is impossible, because he's last been not-angry before the Vortex was established (exact date debated).
Feels like there's been an extreme amount of caricaturing of Praag citizens to be honest.
Yeah, I'm sure they're all going to be incredibly resentful about this:
No longer being a thing.
Are they going to see the cost first? Yes, but after that they'll also see that the cost actually fixed things this time, unlike the prior 20 times this was promised.
The amount of times people have claimed they're going to immediately start rioting or destroying infrastructure over their leadership dealing with a preexisting incredibly hostile area is quite incredible to me.
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- Greece
I still think that, assuming this vote is a general thing and not Praag only, its better to have the citizens like us more, because the powerful will do what benefits them, but the poor are the people that burn wizards. So its better to do that to safeguard future wizards.
It may be that it only has effects in Praag, so it doesn't really matter, but nothing I have seen indicated that there wouldn't be ripple effects.
It may be that it only has effects in Praag, so it doesn't really matter, but nothing I have seen indicated that there wouldn't be ripple effects.
Tasoli
Life is for Living
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- Behind the Keyboard.
I don't follow that logic. How does that follow another...
Nvm, I am pretty sure I am going to disagree no matter what logic you explain because it makes no sense.
But let me observe that until powerful people agreed to stop burning witches peasents could never stop witch hunters even when they liked local druid/hedgewise. And when powerful people said stop, peasants had to stop and could not burn Mathilde.
Therefore peasants liking wizards have no effect on wheter they get burned or not. It is the nobles that determines that.
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
I asked Boney about this:
Bolded for emphasis. The Old Town option doesn't make common folk in general happier with Waystones, it pleases the common folk of Praag. The New Town option doesn't make regional nobility in general happier with Waystones, it pleases the Z'ra.
Now, it's also true that the vote says this:
So we are setting expectations generally, but the opinion effects are only guaranteed in the context of Praag.
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- Earth
If anything, it's the opposite—none of the material consequences in Praag really matter too much, since they'll all be happening eventually. It's precisely the ripple effects that matter here, since we're setting the expectations that people have when we deploy waystones. When we deploy in Sylvania later this turn, pleasing the Tzar sets an standard for the Emperor to look at, pleasing the Cult of Dazh will predispose the Council of Manhavok to support our efforts, pleasing the Z'ra will indicate to the Markgraf that he should prepare some troops for an exercise, and pleasing the citizens of Praag will send a message to the citizens of Sylvania—and so on for every deployment moving forward.
the footnote IS an acknowledgement. We're a Wizard Lord, a few hundred people dying as chaos gribblies are put down is a footnote type thing for us.
I also don't want to waste a few hundred words of update on the matter, when it could just be mentioned in a sentence and then moved on from, as we deal with further issues, maybe with a minor penalty to getting other waystones planted elsewhere due to local nobles fear that we are going to cause unrest in their area too.
That said, Boris wants the Za gone, if he sees that happening by us pushing for the worst areas and all the chaos gribblies go crazy because we are screwing them over with the Waystones like this, and he hears from his magic users that hey, this is totally working and pushing back the Za? He's going to invest in it, he's made it very clear this is a major part of his plans for Kislev. If we had picked to base the project in Kislev he had said he would put all of Kislev behind it, and going ham from the beginning of our choice should be something he just rolls with. Anything to push back chaos. So I don't really expect him to just let the gribblies to stuff to slow it down, I expect issues to occur and Boris to pour support in to the city because of it, to make sure it works and keeps working.
Presumably they are going to stop being resentful once it's done since you know, they aren't living next to hell anymore. For the ones who don't change their tune... I think those are the Cultists missing their buddies.
I do not think they burn Wizards in Kislev actually, well OK, they burn the bodies, but that is because they burn everyone instead of burial.
On a more serious note please stop projecting Imperial mores onto these people.
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