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If it was a mutually exclusive choice, I'd go for the Bridge of Death, but since all these places are going to get Waystones eventually and this is just a political choice, I say go for Karlsbridge.

On another topic, I really want to involve Ranald in the next Waystone design.
 
Really? You're a gold wizard, you have a thousand and one ways to make money legally, and you counterfeited money? And now they have him working with the silver mines?

Well, at least he's not dumb enough to sell out his soul.

Anyway, the two bridges sound good to me. Leaning towards the Karlbridge over Death Bridge, but either works.
You have a lot of ways to making some money, but only some ways of making a lot of money.
 
I'm leaning towards the Karlsbridge.

It's appealing because it'd have visible effects on the largest number of people - it won't affect the very worst of the city, but we're still talking about a place where people are very commonly born cursed.

It'd also be a strong message for internationalism and the acceptance of magic in the long run, given its proximity to the Magnus Gardens and the Fire Spire.

I won't mind if Bridge of Death wins out, though - that would truly be max-visibility at the cost of some local suffering.
 
I like number 4 - if plants start growing again in what is now The Bleakness, that'll be a pretty dramatic "healing the land" demonstration.

That said, we'll get there eventually anyway, and I like having the Historic First Waystone being in with the other Historic Landmarks where visitors can go see it in (relative) safety even in the early days of operation, so I'll be voting for option 1.
 
Hey yeah, it would be a boost to Praags tourism industry! When someone invents the tourism industry...

Is joining hand with the devil (future exploitative capitalism), worth it? Even for a much greater good (saving vacationers ankles from having to walk across town) down the line?
 
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What is the goal? Widespread acceptance, and deployment of waystones so that we might reap every single benefit.

#1 is fluffly but marginally pointless; A citizen happiness index for feudal societies is not our concern. These people have little to no influence.

#2 Is the most blatant change, and what would please the local nobility - the people who can variously obstruct or assist at their whim. Anyone who cares to question waystone efficacy can simply take a walk there after some months.

#3 is neat in principle, but don't think economic models will shift quickly enough to make use, and the Tzar is already 110% on board. So what remains is the lessening of a beachhead, arguably the single most prevailing concern - anything else ashes should Chaos be successful in assault.

#4 Is an issue already -if begrudgingly- handled. Leave it alone, lest we look more like busybodies than revolutionary inventors. 'Helped firmly fix X' just doesn't have the same zing as other options.

I like #2, but could see significant argument for #3.
 
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The symbolism of driving a stake into the most corrupted parts of Praag is fitting because that's what those Waystones are for. If we get around to designing more Waystones - say, a simpler leyline-only design - those could perhaps be great for economic benefits and such, but the Waystones we actually have can deal with serious corruption, and they're too dear to waste on anything else.

We don't want rulers to ask for Waystones because they're people pleasers or because of the economic benefits, we want rulers to ask for Waystones because they have terrible fonts of corruption they need to deal with. The Waystones we designed are absurdly complicated and require chains of productions that can only be strained so far, so make sure that the places where they'll work best are the places that'll want them.

...though I'll probably approval vote the first option anyway, I'm a sucker for visibly imporving the lives of the common folk.
 
Well, I woke up early with a nasty headache, but this is a nice consolation.
Praag is going to be the first benefactor of the Waystone Project's greatest success
benefactor here should probably be "beneficiary"
begins only with proven results.
Missing " at the end of this.
but in immediate term
"in the immediate term" or "in immediate terms"
all three approaches
four, now

Anyway, I think this is a clear win for the first option. The advantage of picking one of the most-accursed places in the Old World for our first deployment is that we don't have to then pick one of the most-accursed places inside of it. Like, if this were a place where the problems were a lot subtler, we'd need to go for the biggest and highest-visibility option in order to make sure the people we're advertising to would actually see our Waystones in action... but, like, "Old Town isn't that bad" is by the standards of Praag. There's a street where all the signs rewrite themselves every morning. Every night one of the plazas is full of unearthly screaming and people just sort of shrug and deal with it. Fixing those problems in the short term is a clear and visible win to potential investors in the Waystone Project: it makes it clear that this actually works to reduce Chaos taint, in simple terms that any meathead ruler can understand. The second option, however:
This will undoubtedly do the most good for Praag in the long run and will be looked well upon by the kind of person who has a Wizard in their employ to explain that to them, but in immediate term most citizens of Praag will only know of riled-up denizens of Chaos and the inevitable death toll that taking and holding parts of Newtown to establish Waystones within them will reap.
People hearing of this will hear of "she put down a stone and then local Chaos went mad". The sort of ruler who has a Wizard in their employ will understand that this is actually a good thing, but we probably did not need a lot of help convincing those people that Waystones are good. We need to convince magic-skeptical rulers that Waystones are good.

[X] Karlsbridge and Old Town

On an unrelated note, this is my ten-thousandth post on SV. I think it is very fitting that it be here, in this thread where 75% of all my posts have been made, and a post full of typo correction and detail-oriented argumentation.
 
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yeah looking at everything, whilst swinging for the fences and doing some serious damage to chaos would be nice, we need to convince people to not start mobs because they think the way stones are causing problems. If we put a stone in the really bad place, and shit gets dire, and then we say we're going to plonk one in the populated area… we'll, that's how you get Chaos Cults swaying people to tear down waystones. Which would be a very warhammer ending to this project, but we kinda don't want that.
 
And considering your history of dropping by Kislevite rulers, Boris might take it as some sort of veiled message.
And he doesn't even know about the other VIPs she has paid sudden visits to. Like the tax dodger and the vampire cultist.

Banishment as a punishment is most common for Wizards who haven't done anything wrong themselves, but whose former Apprentices have done something very wrong indeed.
On the one hand we probably should have known about that before taking an apprentice.
On the other Mathilde comes self-banished so it wouldn't be much of an issue even if it did happen.

He very visibly weighs up who he's most intimidated by in this moment, and decides that it's you.
Because she is a greater threat in total or because she is currently in sword range?

someone who either has a stunted but not completely disabled sense of morality, willing to perform moderate misdeeds but with a line he will not cross,
I seem to recall some moderate misdeeds from Mathilde back in the day. Like embezzlement. (Unwilling) involvement in a conspiracy. Spending a month in a fancy inn writing a paper while her boss and colleagues fought back the undead. Braining a knight with a magic bolt while running around in her underwear.

[ ] Karlsbridge and Old Town
This will please the citizens of Praag.
[ ] Bridge of Death and New Town
This will please the Z'ra.
[ ] River Gate and Northeastern Kislev
This will please the Tzar.
[ ] The Temple of Dazh and the Bleakness
This will please the Cult of Dazh.
[ ] Other (write in)
Do we really care who is pleased by the placement?
Boris's gratitude can probably be spent on something but we have a long history of not wanting to inconvenience people by asking for stuff. The populace and ruler of Praag don't really matter unless we spend time in Praag. The Cult would only matter if we were getting involved in religious politics.
For me what actually matters is whether Mathilde will be more pleased by the city being less tainted or by the wastes being pushed back. Given we are also putting up stones in Sylvania and Black Water it would be inconsistent to prioritise the wastes over the local hotspot.

[ ] Bridge of Death and New Town
 
Ice Witches avoid Praag, so there's less of a bias against male magic users, at least compared to the bias against magic users in general.
Which makes it less surprising, but not unsurprising.
Correct my geography but this guy still had to go through the Ice Witch territory, and that he chose Kislev at all rather than Estalia/Tiliea which is where I assumed most wizards would take their exile.
 
The trouble I see with the Deathbridge deployment is... Well, it sells waystones as something you send people into the deep taint to die to place and secure, because that's what we did here.
At first yes it does, but then after the fight with the local cults is over, others will see it too. The common people and burghers also very much want Praag to not be like that. The downside here is in the short term.
This will undoubtedly do the most good for Praag in the long run and will be looked well upon by the kind of person who has a Wizard in their employ to explain that to them, but in the immediate term most citizens of Praag will only know of riled-up denizens of Chaos and the inevitable death toll that taking and holding parts of Newtown to establish Waystones within them will reap.
This says in the short term, most citizens of Praag will only know the costs. In the slightly longer term, everyone will know the benefits, and this will be more undeniable.

The final selling point to me of choosing the death bridge option is: who are we hoping to bankroll the rollout?
The common people?
The local nobles?
The Tsar?
You have the same terms available to any that claim to bring miracles - you may attempt whatever you wish to attempt in the worst corners of Praag, and any talk of bankrolling that solution begins only with proven results.
We have a potential investor. He has the political will to move mountains locally if we convince him it is worth it. This is how we can best convince him it is worth it.

Every time we have discussed rolling out waystones, we've discussed local nobles seeing the benefit and footing the bill.

Selling it to the local chief nobles as well as possible is the best way I can think of to get them excited about footing the bill.


Finally:
This will undoubtedly do the most good for Praag in the long run …, but in the immediate term
Going for the worst spots and draining them will do the most good in the long run. Just because people like things being comfortable, does not mean that it is best for things to be comfortable. Being comfortable is choosing to avoid upsetting Chaos' apple cart.
Being comfortable is choosing to move slowly and in a more roundabout manner instead of in a more direct way.
Being comfortable makes it so all the Chaos cults continue on with their current plans and strike or sabotage when they choose to instead forcing their hand at a moment when the army and the city are in high alert, because they know the apple cart is about to be upset.


I think that it is ok to upset Chaos' apple cart, flip it over, and burn it.

Yes, that means there is a fight now instead of later. But
This will undoubtedly do the most good for Praag in the long run


Anyway. It is possibly better to have a fight when it is expected rather than a surprise knife when it is not.
 
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