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Imo there's zero chance Tilea or Estalia knows how to make waystones, and an infinitesimal chance Araby can. Concernign those factions, they problems tha they're not factions in their own right. Those 3 are divided in countless city-states and principalities, which would have to be negotiated with separately.
I meant Araby specifically. It would be fairly easy for them imho. They could do it like Hagwitches, just make a bound spirit carry the winds from one attractor to another until they got to an elven waystone. With how little in way of winds they supposedly have, could be easy.
 
As far as I am concerned anybody who argues for Brettonian waystones before Sylvanian ones are vampire thralls and should be handed over to witch hunters.

Kislev, Sylvania Laurelorn, Middle Mountains and Drachenfels then once they are done we can talk Brettonia. Forest of Shadows can be taken with Brettonian help after that.
 
I hear there's a nexus or five that could use some help with retaking.
If they can help the dwarves take back several nexuses then it'd be well worth bringing them into the project. They still shouldn't be given any kind of priority for waystones when Kislev desperately needs them and has been part of the project almost from the start. I'd also prioritise the Empire over Brettonia for waystones
 
If they can help the dwarves take back several nexuses then it'd be well worth bringing them into the project. They still shouldn't be given any kind of priority for waystones when Kislev desperately needs them and has been part of the project almost from the start. I'd also prioritise the Empire over Brettonia for waystones
We don't need to bring them into the Project to get them to help the dwarves or give us things we want. We just have to ask them to do it as payement for us building new waystones for them.
 
We don't need to bring them into the Project to get them to help the dwarves or give us things we want. We just have to ask them to do it as payement for us building new waystones for them.
that's certainly a price we're gonna ask if they approach us. But if we offer that to them preemptively, obviously they'll think we're desperate somehow and low ball any contribution.
 
I´m honestly still waiting on what Eltharion brings us for the waystone. He promised the phrase as the bare minimum, will we get something more stonks from him for delivering? Mucho anticipation.

On topic of price to extract, we need a lab. A country sized lab, if we eventually want to advance up to the waystone nexuses. So we will eventually need to amass armies to cull Badlands sufficiently enough to at least allow for the undisturbed existence of such a place.
 
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I´m honestly still waiting on what Eltharion brings us for the waystone. He promised the phrase as the bare minimum, will we get something more stonks from him for delivering? Mucho anticipation.

On topic of price to extract, we need a lab. A country sized lab, if we eventually want to advance up to the waystone nexuses. So we will eventually need to amass armies to cull Badlands sufficiently enough to at least allow for the undisturbed existence of such a place.
We got that whole treaty and the inherent right for the Empire to look after it's own waystones from it. What else are you expecting, a pile of gold and Teclis visiting once every 50 years?
 
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I´m honestly still waiting on what Eltharion brings us for the waystone. He promised the phrase as the bare minimum, will we get something more stonks from him for delivering? Mucho anticipation.

On topic of price to extract, we need a lab. A country sized lab, if we eventually want to advance up to the waystone nexuses. So we will eventually need to amass armies to cull Badlands sufficiently enough to at least allow for the undisturbed existence of such a place.
We got the command codes without needing to negotiate with either Ulthuan or Nagaroth. We could not have gotten that any other way.

There was an extra reward on the table, but Niedzwecka snagged that, so a bunch of Norscans will have a bad, elf related time in the nearish future.
 
We got that whole treaty and the inherent right for the EMpire to look after it's own waystones form it. What else are you expecting, a pile of gold and Teclis visiting once every 50 years?
That whole treaty was for Eltharion getting anything tbh, and its not as if they didn´t get theirs from it either, and i am not talking about waystones here.

No, that was the ceremony of them joining, not them contributing. Their contribution was Eltharion teaching us that goddamn tongue twister. Which is great and all, but it was the minimum promised. Idk what else to expect in what we could be given, which is why i am curious.

There was an extra reward on the table, but Niedzwecka snagged that, so a bunch of Norscans will have a bad, elf related time in the nearish future.
Thats a good point thought, i hadn´t considered that. I mean i know the pass code, that was the bare minimum, but i forgor the extra reward Niedzwenka negotiated.

EDIT: @shepsquared i now realized that the second paragraph sounds like i expect Eltharion to supply us an army, i was actually talking more about Bretonnian (but also general signatory parties) favour trading with that, the two weren´t at all connected in my mind, but actually rereading the comment i made it definitely looks like they are. So yeah, they weren´t meant to be.

I meant more that if we do end up wanting to research nexuses, we are gonna need to place lab smackdab in middle of fucking nowhere, so we need to collect party favours to call in to clear section of badlands enough to establish testing site.
 
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Quick question—is Eltharion a full project member that we can assign actions to, or is he more like a sponsor, such as Boris or Belegar?
More like a sponsor, but one that might occasionally swoop in with assistance, depending on if they have any and if they feel like being helpful.
So presumably it's more like "Mathilde, Egrimm, and Max are looking at Waystone Component X today. Also, the delegate from Ulthuan showed up an hour ago to drop off a stack of papers they believe to be relevant. This should be helpful."
Yeah. It can be seen as patronage or seagull management, depending how Ulthuan-positive one may be feeling.
 
If humans campaigns didn't tend to work on different timescales compared to dwarven campaigns, I'd definitely vote for negotiating Bretonnian military support for dwarven hellwars.

I have to ask. At this point, is there anything at all that the waystone project needs and lacks, which we could procure with sufficient favours?
 
If humans campaigns didn't tend to work on different timescales compared to dwarven campaigns, I'd definitely vote for negotiating Bretonnian military support for dwarven hellwars.

I have to ask. At this point, is there anything at all that the waystone project needs and lacks, which we could procure with sufficient favours?
High Magic capable enchanter hours, but thats it. As i understand it at least.
 
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I have to ask. At this point, is there anything at all that the waystone project needs and lacks, which we could procure with sufficient favours?

Well, if we want to continue research (looking into Nexuses, improved Waystone designs, new Tributaries, connecting sub-Networks to each other, etc) we could use the help of different magical paradigms to provide insights. Right now, Elf and Human magic is (kinda) based on the same fundamental principles, or at least on the same understanding of magic, while everyone else's 'magic' is orthogonal to them and thus doesn't significantly challenge/contradict them; the closest thing we have to that is the Hedgewise... whatever-they-do, but they've been prosecuted since forever and a lot of the knowledge they once had has been lost. Getting someone like the Damsels or even the Liche Priests into the Project could give unexpected insights into the nature of magic, and incorporate unorthodox but still effective methods into our designs (like the 'bag of rocks + dead fish' tributary that so confused Eltharion).

Also, having armies to recover lost Nexuses (Blood Fane, Brass Keep, Melkhior's Tower, the Hellwars) would be very useful for obvious reasons, but that might run into other political issues like 'how to convince Elector Count Whoever to let a foreign army of a not particularly friendly country into your province'.
 
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The placement of the first waystone is symbolic, the first mass deployment somewhat less so yet still something that sends a message.

At the very least, I'd like that first waystone to be in kislev to send the message that we're here to save the world, lol.
 
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We're in the enviable position where realpolitik and world saving actually allign fairly closely. Non-members of our club aren't really in immediate need for our services, and if they do, well they can ask for that themselves.
 
We can rule out the Dwarves and the Empire to complain (well, someone might complain, but all of our bosses have our back and we're ahead of schedule anyway.) That only leaves Kislev and (maybe) Laurelorn. Both of those are candidates for first waystone, and I don't think the Elves will be an issue. Laurelorn already gets a lot of what they want just for hosting the project, they're not a triage location, and, well.
Betting on the pride of elves not being bruised at being snubbed is a poor bet. Laurelorn proposed the Project, Laurelorn hosted the Project, Laurelorn provided the most components to the Project, Laurelorn designed the majority of the waystone's components. There's a lot here that says they should be priority for deployment. And ultimately it'd only be a difference of six months for Kislev. Hell, we might even design a simpler waystone without the riverine component in that time. Boris is not expecting to get waystones first.

If we give Kislev waystones first, then Laurelorn will be fourth in line of getting deployables from the Project. We deployed tributaries to Stirland first, then Kislev. Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is a pattern.

Edit: To be clear, I'm not saying that they would be annoyed because they're elves. Anyone would be annoyed because of this. But elves feel a lot more extremely than humans, so I'm using that to emphasize their annoyance.

I´m honestly still waiting on what Eltharion brings us for the waystone. He promised the phrase as the bare minimum, will we get something more stonks from him for delivering? Mucho anticipation.

On topic of price to extract, we need a lab. A country sized lab, if we eventually want to advance up to the waystone nexuses. So we will eventually need to amass armies to cull Badlands sufficiently enough to at least allow for the undisturbed existence of such a place.
You get more out of Ulthuan if they get goodies. So if we want more stuff out of Ulthuan, we probably should design a waystone that the Asur can procure themselves. It's not like they can get runes from the Karaz Ankor. So far they can only say that they have gotten a tributary design, which is much less useful for elves than it is for humans.

I have to ask. At this point, is there anything at all that the waystone project needs and lacks, which we could procure with sufficient favours?
Instructions of how to create nexuses. Bretonnia would be helpful for that. We also need more tributaries. The tributaries we have can't be used everywhere. We also probably need insight into Athel Loren.

High Magic capable enchanter hours, but thats it. As i understand it at least.
The capstone is pretty quick compared to the storage. The main thing is Archmage or Von Tarnus-equivalent labor hours. Bretonnia should have the latter.

Well, if we want to continue research (looking into Nexuses, improved Waystone designs, new Tributaries, connecting sub-Networks to each other, etc) we could use the help of different magical paradigms to provide insights. Right now, Elf and Human magic is (kinda) based on the same fundamental principles, or at least on the same understanding of magic, while everyone else's 'magic' is orthogonal to them and thus doesn't significantly challenge/contradict them; the closest thing we have to that is the Hedgewise... whatever-they-do, but they've been prosecuted since forever and a lot of the knowledge they once had has been lost. Getting someone like the Damsels or even the Liche Priests into the Project could give unexpected insights into the nature of magic, and incorporate unorthodox but still effective methods into our designs (like the 'bag of rocks + dead fish' tributary that so confused Eltharion).
Damsel magic is also probably based off of elf magic. The Lady of the Lake should remember the Golden Age and Athel Loren is right next door. Liche Priest magic is probably partially based off of Slann magic, which elf magic is based off.

I definitely want to see a Bretonnian equivalent of the Scythian tributaries though. We're also unlikely to get components out of Bretonnia. We would have to redo the component actions.

The placement of the first waystone is symbolic, The first mass deployment somewhat less so yet still something that sends a message.

At the very least, I'd like that first waystone to be in kislev to send the message that we're here to save the world, lol.
There is also message that you want to snub the host and greatest contributor of the Waystone Project. :V

Seriously, I really think deploying waystones anywhere other than Laurelorn is a poor choice. We've already ignored them for past deployment actions. We shouldn't do that again.
 
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The capstone is pretty quick compared to the storage. The main thing is Archmage or Von Tarnus-equivalent labor hours. Bretonnia should have the latter.
I don´t think its entirely reasonable to expect their one single super caster to be doing that to be fair. Thats like coming to get an elven mage and expecting they will all be Teclis.

Besides, the storage should get a lot easier very quickly if we actually commit.

EDIT: I also continue to be dubious on
1) the helpfulness of Bretonnian magical contributions towards waystone nexuses (i am frankly dubious of anyone´s contributions in that field except Elves and Dwarfs and even they can´t make them anymore).
2) the willingness to continue waystone project to the nexus capstone

Making another tributary probably wouldn´t be too bad thought.
 
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