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For even more confusion, it looks like every Empire lord/hero has the "Mark of Hysh" skill.


That's a distinctly non-magical Empire Captain, and it's the same with Gelt.

I'm guessing it's a poorly named generic skill that got copy-pasted across the roster.

Edit: also I see we are once again the Warhammer General Thread.
 
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Sorry if this has already been answered, but wasn't this Ithilmar action taken because we needed funds for the Elfcation?

If the Library of Mourning reward option wins, then where are we finding the funds? Or is Elfcation gonna be postponed more?
... Ok but that's not what's happening? We ain't going to lothern to buy books, we go to buy trinkets like that marvelous nut we just planted, or that cool arm, or the lustrian rubbings. Those aren't books...

For this I personally voted for Library of Mourning Access for two reasons:

A) In quest I view money primarily as a way to get Cool Things. Lets be real, we're likely never gonna be worried about Mathilde's ability to sustain her standard of living in normal turns, so money is specifically for extra Cool Things. I don't doubt Lothern would have a ridiculous amount of that to buy, but somehow I doubt stuff like deep magical secrets and military doctrine are literally for sale.
B) Cool Trinkets generally take the form of Research Topics that we spend AP on looking into. The books can offer cool Lore directly, which I think is just as neat and also bonuses on research actions, which make them more likely to succeed. I somehow doubt we're ever realistically going to ever run out of Cool Stuff to spend AP on researching (yes Lothern probably has amazing stuff to look into, but can you imagine the potential knife fights between finally looking into the Von Carstein Ring vs Exotic Thingamabob from Cathay that was just bought?), I'd say a good plurality at least of Mathidle's time is spent on researching magical lore and so something that makes these actions more likely to succeed and give cool results is a good investment.

I'd like to take Eike to the Elfication. Maybe it's not a good idea to have her fight against Druuchi, but there are other things she could do there (like learning to fight against Druuchi without actually fighting them)
I really don´t like the idea of taking anyone that isn´t as skilled as us into a place where people using ulgu have been perfecting the art of finding, tracking and massacring themselves for twice as long as Empire existed.
I was under the impression that we'd leave Eike in Lothern for a few months/weeks, maybe a vague/broad "mission" (find me a good book reseller or idk see how many cool Cathayan artifacts you can get, someone can be cleverer than me) and see what the incredibly talented, friendly, xenophillic merchant trained lady can get up to. I don't wanna say Lothern is totally sunshine and roses, but it does seem unlikely she'd be at significant risk of sudden violent death.
 
I was under the impression that we'd leave Eike in Lothern for a few months/weeks, maybe a vague/broad "mission" (find me a good book reseller or idk see how many cool Cathayan artifacts you can get, someone can be cleverer than me) and see what the incredibly talented, friendly, xenophillic merchant trained lady can get up to. I don't wanna say Lothern is totally sunshine and roses, but it does seem unlikely she'd be at significant risk of sudden violent death.
This is something that has been floated a lot, but:
If you send her there with purpose, she will do her utmost to fulfill that purpose. If you send her there with absolutely nothing in mind, you can do that, but it may or may not turn out fun for her, and it may or may not turn out educational for her, and it may or may not turn out to be entertaining or satisfying for the audience. If you send her there with nothing in mind but thinking I'm going to invent a maximal utility itinerary for her, no.
I have yet to see someone propose courses of action for her more specific than "make book contacts", which you will note is something already coverable via our KAU action. Boney has warned us about the potential consequences of sending her there with nothing in mind. I am happy to be convinced, but this discussion has been going on for a long time without specific plans of action gaining traction.

My current thinking for whatever turn we go to Lothern is to put Eike on the KAU action to make bookselling contacts there, but give her an Eike Study action unrelated to Lothern (I'm leaning towards "finishing her Enchanting training"). So she'd come on the ship to Lothern with us, see the sights alongside us, helps with the negotiations for the ability to buy Asur books, and then when we take ship for Nagarythe she heads back to the Empire once the book contract is cleared, probably on the same boat as an order. It's not like we're staying in Lothern ourself and enjoying it without her, we're heading off to do our own thing.

Basically, I'm not worried about her suffering a sudden violent death, I'm worried about wasting her time in a foreign city where she doesn't know anyone and doesn't have anything productive to do. Speaking from experience, the novelty factor under such circumstances wears off in... about a week? Yeah, I'll say a week. Time spent in Lothern needs to be a means to an end, not an end in itself.
 
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have yet to see someone propose courses of action for her more specific than "make book contacts", which you will note is something already coverable via our KAU action. Boney has warned us about the potential consequences of sending her there with nothing in mind. I am happy to be convinced, but this discussion has been going on for a long time without specific plans of action gaining traction.
The only other things I can think of are 'study Asur naval tactics' (which is basically just for her own enjoyment, not really something to direct her to do), or 'try to make contacts with Cathayan merchants', with Lothern probably being the most likely place to find Cathayans outside of the far east.
 
The only other things I can think of are 'study Asur naval tactics' (which is basically just for her own enjoyment, not really something to direct her to do), or 'try to make contacts with Cathayan merchants', with Lothern probably being the most likely place to find Cathayans outside of the far east.
Eike is pretty good, but i don´t think i want to give her the authority to make the sort of decisions that could get door opened to an actually worth our time Cathayan merchant.
 
give her an Eike Study action unrelated to Lothern (I'm leaning towards "finishing her Enchanting training")
That's a perfectly fine self study action, but I would like to remind you and the thread in general about a Self Study idea that was suggested a while ago: having Eike tag along with Kazador and his throng while they fight Greenskins. It's a chance for Eike to cut her teeth on some real enemies, and it has a pleasing symmetry with Elfcation - Eike will intern with dwarves while her Master is interning with elves. It will also teach Eike the very specific skill of "being a Grey Wizard tagging along with a dwarven force fighting Greenskins", which Mathilde's example shows is a vital skill for a Grey Magister.
 
Eike is pretty good, but i don´t think i want to give her the authority to make the sort of decisions that could get door opened to an actually worth our time Cathayan merchant.
True, but I like the idea of handing her a small sum (just a hundred gold or so) and telling her to make as much profit as she can. She gets to learn about trade, logistics, and try her hand at some information gathering beforehand and during.
 
I really think she needs to learn Sounds already, the more she puts if off the more likely she is to just lean into her flaw and never learn it and that would be a tragedy since she'd lose a whole point of Magic.
 
True, but I like the idea of handing her a small sum (just a hundred gold or so) and telling her to make as much profit as she can. She gets to learn about trade, logistics, and try her hand at some information gathering beforehand and during.
She already knows just about everything there is to know about trade and logistics. The only way she probably could get better if she gets a stint as a quartermaster of an empire army...
 
That's a perfectly fine self study action, but I would like to remind you and the thread in general about a Self Study idea that was suggested a while ago: having Eike tag along with Kazador and his throng while they fight Greenskins. It's a chance for Eike to cut her teeth on some real enemies, and it has a pleasing symmetry with Elfcation - Eike will intern with dwarves while her Master is interning with elves. It will also teach Eike the very specific skill of "being a Grey Wizard tagging along with a dwarven force fighting Greenskins", which Mathilde's example shows is a vital skill for a Grey Magister.
It sounds amazing, but I really, really, really want to do it as an action with her rather than just doing it on her own. That last point of scouting isn't going to upgrade itself, and Mathilde being around Kazador in his element and Eike as she's first being bloodied sounds amazing as a reader.

Well, I suppose if we spend a week or two getting her settled in before the months we'll be gone, I could have my cake and eat it too...
 
That's a perfectly fine self study action, but I would like to remind you and the thread in general about a Self Study idea that was suggested a while ago: having Eike tag along with Kazador and his throng while they fight Greenskins. It's a chance for Eike to cut her teeth on some real enemies, and it has a pleasing symmetry with Elfcation - Eike will intern with dwarves while her Master is interning with elves. It will also teach Eike the very specific skill of "being a Grey Wizard tagging along with a dwarven force fighting Greenskins", which Mathilde's example shows is a vital skill for a Grey Magister.
I actually proposed that one (along with the very symmetry argument you mention), so I have not forgotten it :p However, based on the reactions I got over the months and years since proposing it, I think the thread is sufficiently risk-averse that Eike's first live combat experience should not be without Mathilde. So instead...
It sounds amazing, but I really, really, really want to do it as an action with her rather than just doing it on her own. That last point of scouting isn't going to upgrade itself, and Mathilde being around Kazador in his element and Eike as she's first being bloodied sounds amazing as a reader.
My current plan outline for T44 has this as a thing, yeah.
 
She already knows just about everything there is to know about trade and logistics. The only way she probably could get better if she gets a stint as a quartermaster of an empire army...
She has a wide grounding, but considering we already saw more for her to learn...
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I'd like to do this action, and have eike tag along on it:
[ ] EIC: Found an auditors division, to make sure the ledgers are in order.
Gotta keep the rank and file on their toes, yeah? Just because the scary grey lady isn't watching shouldn't mean those with sticky fingers aren't still being watched, hehe.

Also, even more fun: I'm pretty sure Eike's accounting skill is higher than ours, so she may provide a bonus to the action lmao.
 
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Is it that bad that Eike comes to Nagarythe? There must be someplace there where there are young elves (as in, same age as Eike) training to fight and all that. We could leave her there getting put through the same training said elves are being put through while we go to kill Druuchi
 
She already knows just about everything there is to know about trade and logistics. The only way she probably could get better if she gets a stint as a quartermaster of an empire army...
She's got the basic trade skill, but not the advanced, so there's definitely something to learn. And I doubt she's ever put it into practice, at least the whole thing. Mathilde told her what to do, get cargo here, buy Ithilmar, etc. Doing it self directed is a step further.

But it also matters in how it will happen. Eike's Initial Training was Wilhelmine's style, which relies on logistics of mass goods and relationships to work. Mathilde's style is about information and psychology. What is wanted, what can I make wanted, how will others react to my actions. I don't think Eike has internalized that approach.

And given it's a one off trip, Wilhelmine's approach would be difficult. Not impossible, and I'd be quite impressed if she manages it, but hard. On the other hand, finding something the elves want, and then something the humans want is not so hard. It's a question of how successful she is.

So in my mind, she'd start with some market research to figure out what to take there, and what to take back. That's already a good Grey exercise. Information gathering, from people who may not be super eager to share how they make money.

Then, in Lothern it's about finding opportunities. And finding those would be a good angle for Eike to learn about the culture and state of things. She'd be more limited than Mathilde, but thinking the status quo through is still a good exercise.
 
Is it that bad that Eike comes to Nagarythe? There must be someplace there where there are young elves (as in, same age as Eike) training to fight and all that. We could leave her there getting put through the same training said elves are being put through while we go to kill Druuchi
I'm pretty sure our invitation does not include bringing a plus one, so it is probably that bad, yes.
 
I'm pretty sure our invitation does not include bringing a plus one, so it is probably that bad, yes.
Our invitation to train and fight alongside the Shadow Warriors is just for us. Boney has said that we might be able to get Eike treated as our carry-on baggage:
She could bring her along and may or may not be able to talk her way into Eike being counted as carry-on baggage, and if she failed she'd have to leave her in the Foreign Quarter at Lothern.
But it would definitely not include an offer to have her trained the way the young Nagarythians are. She'd be luggage. We could leave her wherever we're staying in Nagarythe with the rest of whatever stuff we brought, but that's likely to be "a war camp" or similar frontlines: we'd be literally taking her into an active warzone, and our notional allies would not prioritize protecting her if we are not there to do it ourself. I am confident in Mathilde's ability to keep Eike safe in an active warzone, but not in Mathilde's ability to simultaneously keep Eike safe and prosecute the war. It would entirely defeat the purpose of going there to learn from the Shadow Warriors and impress them in order to give Eike experience that we can do more productively and safely closer to home (e.g. "among dwarves who will in fact treat Mathilde Weber's Apprentice as someone whose life they value").
 
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True, but I like the idea of handing her a small sum (just a hundred gold or so) and telling her to make as much profit as she can. She gets to learn about trade, logistics, and try her hand at some information gathering beforehand and during.
I know Eike has been groomed to take over EIC, but i am still kind of weirded out that this is the lesson you want to teach to someone sworn to poverty.

Do note that Mathilde never grew wealth this way. (That i can recall, anyway)
 
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