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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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DragonParadox said:
Two problems with the idea:
  1. We did it with the aid of an actual god via his no-kidding divine artifact of lying
  2. We also found one who could speak Khazalid, hers likely would not be so at the very least she would have to learn Queekish
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It would make fair more sense to assign Eike to extract more information from the ratmen prisoner we already have. She might actually be able to get the advanced languages out of him.
 
Gavin Prince said:
The charcoal trade is already reaching Laurelorn. It's not profitable for the EIC, but for the purpose of building economic links, it's already there.
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I meant Middenland traders. We can do our trades but Middenlander traders are waiting the road which Eonir didn't want to build so we are about to provide. We open it they will be able to trade with Eonir and that will be one more group that will be invested in Eonir alliance.

RoW is not just for our own use after all.
 
A Silly idea just popped into my head: could we send Eike along with a We Patrol to find some Greenskins or such? An errant patrol of Orks or Gobolins with Spider support seems a reasonable risk level.
 
FantasticMsFox said:
A Silly idea just popped into my head: could we send Eike along with a We Patrol to find some Greenskins or such? An errant patrol of Orks or Gobolins with Spider support seems a reasonable risk level.
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No cuz that is just silly.

Honestly we don't need to blood her right this turn. She is still young and we can do it next turn or turn after.
 
FantasticMsFox said:
A Silly idea just popped into my head: could we send Eike along with a We Patrol to find some Greenskins or such? An errant patrol of Orks or Gobolins with Spider support seems a reasonable risk level.
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The Karak-We (or Da-We) hunt in the Underway leading to Karak Drazh. Here's the last time we looked at it:
Boney said:
Following this takes you underneath Karagril to the Karak's final actively hostile frontier: the entrance to the Underway to Karak Drazh. Though the greenskins would be quite capable of learning that charging into a solid wall of ballistas, grapecannon and handguns won't get them anywhere, they've instead elected to use it as a sort of population control, and on a regular basis the losers of the Red Fang tribe's internal politics are forced to charge down the underground gauntlet. It's quite clever if you follow the internal logic of the greenskins: their fungal ecology means there'll be a constant stream of new Goblins and Orcs whether there's room for them or not, so by forcing their rivals to charge down the gauntlet at regular intervals the tribe becomes no weaker, the position of the winning individuals becomes stronger, and the Dwarves are forced to pay a constant tax in ammunition, gunpowder, and attention. Unbeknownst to them, the predations of the We alter the economics of the situation, as once Karag Nar's weavers figure out how to convert the We's silk into bolts and garments, the presence of neighbouring greenskins will more than pay for the defences that must be arrayed against them.
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So I think it's just a shooting gallery without opportunity for her to do much more than practice her Pistols skill, alas.

...actually, hold on a second. Maybe we could ask King Kazador to include her on a patrol? We introduced her to the Dwarves of Karak Azul back when she came to K8P and she made a good impression, IIRC. And that boy's Throng are experts at Greenskin-hunting. And Kazador likes us and loves killing Greenskins, so even though we have no right to dictate that she join Rangers in their scouting, he will probably be down with "hey, my Apprentice needs to get better at hunting Greenskins and I decided to take her to the expert." It would also give her Khazalid practice.

Boney, when you have a chance, would something like that be an OK Eike Study action?
 
Tasoli said:
I meant Middenland traders. We can do our trades but Middenlander traders are waiting the road which Eonir didn't want to build so we are about to provide. We open it they will be able to trade with Eonir and that will be one more group that will be invested in Eonir alliance.

RoW is not just for our own use after all.
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Getting information on what Nordland's likely to do next is as important as forging a new economic link for Middenland. They're both attacking the problem, just from different angles. The infiltration option has the side-benefit of being useful for testing and improving Eike's currently-unknown intrigue as well, though.
 
picklepikkl said:
The Karak-We (or Da-We) hunt in the Underway leading to Karak Drazh. Here's the last time we looked at it:

So I think it's just a shooting gallery without opportunity for her to do much more than practice her Pistols skill, alas.

...actually, hold on a second. Maybe we could ask King Kazador to include her on a patrol? We introduced her to the Dwarves of Karak Azul back when she came to K8P and she made a good impression, IIRC. And that boy's Throng are experts at Greenskin-hunting. And Kazador likes us and loves killing Greenskins, so even though we have no right to dictate that she join Rangers in their scouting, he will probably be down with "hey, my Apprentice needs to get better at hunting Greenskins and I decided to take her to the expert." It would also give her Khazalid practice.

Boney, when you have a chance, would something like that be an OK Eike Study action?
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Sure.
 
Boney said:
Scouting (2/3)
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Something we can take Eike along with is Scouting training. Ask some dwarven rangers for the training, take Eike along with us, and have her meet some orcs and/or goblins under controlled conditions. Edit: We knew a ranger from Belegar's council, right?

Edit 2: Looks like I got this a minute too late... Anyways, my idea here was to take Eike along on a "[ ] Receive training" action, basically, which isn't quite the same as Pickle's suggestion above.
 
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MossPiglet said:
Do we actually need the Road? Based on the calculations @mathymancer made, and the fact that Eike already found a route that is profitable, I'm not sure that there is any need for the Fog Road.
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In addition to what others said about making trade with Middenland in particular possible, charcoal isn't the only thing the Eonir may want to trade for. Thorek wants to sell them ingots, and a road from Middenheim will make that a lot easier.
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"You'd ship ore by road?"

"What Dwarf worth their beard would export ore to Elves? No, ingots. It's easy enough to get them from Karak Kadrin and the Young Holds to Middenheim, but there's no overland route that would service.
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Derpmind said:
Something we can take Eike along with is Scouting training. Ask some dwarven rangers for the training, take Eike along with us, and have her meet some orcs and/or goblins under controlled conditions. Edit: We knew a ranger from Belegar's council, right?

Edit 2: Looks like I got this a minute too late... Anyways, my idea here was to take Eike along on a "[ ] Receive training" action, basically, which isn't quite the same as Pickle's suggestion above.
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I also had an idea (and boney approved it) to go scouting for beastmen with Eike to train scouting, find out her intrigue score and blood her.
 
Reminder that We hunters that get out of the nest are disconnected from the main We consciousness. They're basically very predatory dogs with only a basic inherited idea of what not to eat. They probably won't mistake Eike for a goblin! But what if they will? Or just do something stupid on their own anyway?
 
[ ] Eike Study: Go on patrol with King Kazador

This seems straightforward enough. Though, I do feel I'd prefer Mathilde was a bit more hands-on for something as important as Eike's first combat/killing. Would anyone be open to considering the following?

[ ] Receive training: Scouting (2/3) with King Kazador
[ ] Eike Actions: Scouting training, ???

(There's only so much we can manage to teach Eike without spending AP on actions we usually wouldn't do. We're going to have to bite that bullet sooner or later.)
 
DragonParadox said:
I do not think we want the Shayllan's first combat action to be against humans, which seems likely with Marianburg and possible with Stirland.
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DragonParadox said:
These are all fair points, but at the same time she has never killed anyone, given what we know of her faith it is probably worth making sure the first person she does kill is not some random bandit working for coin, it's not as though it costs us anything to be careful here, as you said yourself there are always beastmen.
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DragonParadox said:
As boney has pointed out (to me as it happens, I had the same thought) the Colleges are more accommodating of faith than that, seeing as it is the thing that helps them not fall to Chaos and the like. If Eike wants to never directly take a human life the College can find work for her where she does not have to do that*.

*or at least where she is unlikely to.
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I'm not against Eike fighting non human enemies first in an attempt to get combat jitters out of her before hitting her with human opponents
But I wouldn't start to avoid testing her against humans just because she's a Shallyan

Part of blooding Eike is learning her limits in a (relatively) controlled environment
And that includes questions like "is she able to kill another human being?"
You don't even need to be a Shallyan for that to be an important question
The first time Mathilde killed another human being she doubled over and immediately vomited, and if she had that reaction in a more dangerous situation it could have easily gotten her killed
Mathilde took time to get to the point where she was able to casually take human life

If Eike has reservations about killing people then it's important to learn about that sooner into her Apprenticeship rather than later, so that we can determine whether this is a roadblock to be overcome or a hard limit to be worked around

The College's can absolutely be accommodating to a Wizard not willing to kill people, but that's because you work with what you have
And part of accommodating those limits is knowing about them in the first place


Eike's also on track to pick up Xeno Affinity so if she's got reservations about killing people it's probably going to extend to a lot more than just humans
 
I'd prefer to go to the Forest of Shadows for the Waystone project or even just bring Woke to the apparition action. Learning beastman scouting doesn't sound that fun to me.

I'd be interested in Skaven scouting though I find them really fun to read.


Anyway, talking about Eike @Boney would it be possible to bring Eike along to the Elfication when we do it?
 
Derpmind said:
[ ] Receive training: Scouting (2/3) with King Kazador
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I still think that the best way to train Mathilde's scouting is to do some actions that are likely to require scouting, such as the Forest of Shadows nexus action and the Iron Orcs investigation. So Mathilde should get that last skill point in Scouting as soon as a Father turn is possible, which should happen *checks notes* at turn 44 at the earliest. So yeah, any day now!
 
picklepikkl said:
...actually, hold on a second. Maybe we could ask King Kazador to include her on a patrol? We introduced her to the Dwarves of Karak Azul back when she came to K8P and she made a good impression, IIRC. And that boy's Throng are experts at Greenskin-hunting. And Kazador likes us and loves killing Greenskins, so even though we have no right to dictate that she join Rangers in their scouting, he will probably be down with "hey, my Apprentice needs to get better at hunting Greenskins and I decided to take her to the expert." It would also give her Khazalid practice.
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Woa, that's an awesome idea. Utilizing our connections, knowledge and reach to find a task that would challenge our apprentice in all the right ways sounds like exactly our job as her master. Killing greenskins, check. Working together with non-humans, check. Being sneaky, check. (The need to make no sounds will probably make this a good break from the stress of this turn, while introducing entirely another kind - it's good to vary stressors sometimes!)
 
I don't know if succeeding at bringing Eike along to Nagarythe would even be a good thing

Druchii are a bit much for an apprentice to handle and I don't expect the Nagarythians to make too much of an effort ensuring the safety of their "guests"
 
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