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It could just be as simple as "they all died when Middenland and Laurelorn allied together", but that was over a decade ago. Surely their population would have recovered by now? So where are they?
The Ambers are finishing up their second decade as the college with their guy in the biggest chair, when he can be pinned down to do his paperwork. Even without deliberate favoritism, beastmen are probably having a worse time on average than with a different Supreme Patriarch at the helm.

Sylvania has been crushed. That means that large amounts of effort that for centuries have gone towards that bleeding ulcer can be devoted elsewhere.

After their dramatic teamup, the Eonir are now actively cooperating with an Imperial province and major cult. So there's less gaps for them to slip through.

Karag Dum is undoubtedly a constant bleeding ulcer to their normal population growth as newly spawned beastmen answer the call of the Shadowgave.

And just to add injury to injury, some time back Ranald stuck his oar in to make sure a Herdstone got neutralized before it could become a thing, and again just now to ensure some perfectly guilty swamp marauders got run down.


No one super dramatic thing, but many small factors working in combination and building off of each other.
 
Leaving Eike in the elven equivalent of Marienburg for three months unsupervised sounds like something that'll require us to have another chat with the Bursar about fish.

"It was just economic warfare Me. Bursar" Mathilde, probably.

[] EIC: Develop a trading presence in the Foreign Quarter of Lothern.

I'd be interested in doing this. Maybe we can import Asur books that way.
 
@Boney is Eike aware of Cython yet? I realise that Cython probably won't have much of an opinion on Eike one way or the other ("another tiny, insignificant human"), but I'm just wondering what she thinks of them, and their friendship with Mathilde?
 
Personally I don't want to even try to bring Eike to ulthuan. Just too big of a risk. For the months we are away I'm more thinking we give her to some of our friends for some intense one on one training...
 
@Boney is Eike aware of Cython yet? I realise that Cython probably won't have much of an opinion on Eike one way or the other ("another tiny, insignificant human"), but I'm just wondering what she thinks of them, and their friendship with Mathilde?

Mathilde hasn't brought it up and Eike hasn't commented. Mathilde isn't sure whether she just doesn't know yet, or if she's doing the Grey Wizard thing of pretending it's entirely normal and expected.
 
May I inquire some insight into the pulse of the thread - what's up with the somewhat lacking interest in checking out Middenland/Eonir relations? The Ulricans are apparently starting to have a religious schism over the Laurelorn business, so I've gotten concerned at our lack of knowledge on that situation. Even though we've been boosting relations with trade, the religious aspect is still pretty crucial too.

I think Vladimir specifically has a problem with the Ice Witches, because the last Katarin the Bloody was an Ice Witch before she was a vampire.
Just to double check, I don't think Katarin the Bloody was a former Ice Witch, otherwise why trap her in an ice prison that she'd presumably be more resistant to?

In Grungni's name, High King Thorgrim Grudgebearer summons the Kings of the Karaz Ankor to a Council of Kings at Karaz-a-Karak to discuss and decide matters of great import to the realm...

King Belegar frowns in thought as he and his brother-kings and sister-queen
Hmm, I'm not sure if this minor detail has been commented on before, but the official summons for the Council only refers to Kings even though the Karaz Ankor has a reigning queen present, and had queens in the past IIRC. Is this a hold-over of cultural bias for male rulers back in the Golden Age?

Speaking of which, are Roswita's siblings still being kept hidden away, rather than being brought to Stirland now that she's better established?
If nothing else, I can turn that around. Drive the damned creatures underground, and the Van Hals can live openly in Wurtbad."
Went digging for old scenes with Roswita and came across this quote, I really hope one day the Van Hals can live openly like Roswita wishes, or at least not worry about their safety as much as they do. Just couldn't help feel a bit of melancholy thinking about what Markgraf of Stirland might've been like.
 
Hmm, I'm not sure if this minor detail has been commented on before, but the official summons for the Council only refers to Kings even though the Karaz Ankor has a reigning queen present, and had queens in the past IIRC. Is this a hold-over of cultural bias for male rulers back in the Golden Age?

By the time the Karaz Ankor got a Queen of a major Hold, the wording to announce a Council of Kings had become Tradition.
 
If we want Eike to learn scouting, it may be worth just paying for some Eonir to teach her.

They're likely to be better at training a wizard to do it than the dwarves

Just to double check, I don't think Katarin the Bloody was a former Ice Witch, otherwise why trap her in an ice prison that she'd presumably be more resistant to?

I don't think she was a former Ice Witch; I think she was an Ice Wotch simultaneously both being a vampire. There's nothing stopping a vampire from using Ice Magic as far as I know, and vampires can 'safely' learn multiple Lores.

A vampire almost certainly can't learn a Divinr Lore, given how their soul is withdrawn from the Aethyr, but I don't think there's anything stopping them from leaving Lores of Witchcraft.
 
I think you misunderstood, we want to do the scouting action so that mathy gets the scouting skill and it's as good a way as any to find out eikes intrigue.

Then get the Eonir to teach both of them. They're probably much better at taking advantage of Ulgu spellcasting when scouting, given what we've seen.
 
I don't think she was a former Ice Witch; I think she was an Ice Wotch simultaneously both being a vampire. There's nothing stopping a vampire from using Ice Magic as far as I know, and vampires can 'safely' learn multiple Lores.

A vampire almost certainly can't learn a Divinr Lore, given how their soul is withdrawn from the Aethyr, but I don't think there's anything stopping them from leaving Lores of Witchcraft.
Isn't the Lore of Ice partly divine magic given it's drawing from the Ancient Widow as the source of their power (at least partially)? Hence the Ice Witches being considered priests rather than wizards in the common view.

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Katarin might still be able to use it after she turned into a vampire since the learning process was before the transformation, but I assume the Widow would've revoked access to the Lore.
 
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Isn't the Lore of Ice partly divine magic given it's drawing upon the Ancient Widow as the source of their power? Hence the Ice Witches being considered priests rather than wizards in the common view.

I think that's political window dressing. If it was divine magic there wouldn't be an issue with male users of Ice Magic, as the Widow could just choose not to grant them spells.
 
one thing to consider with buying training from the eonir is that we definitly want to have a good amount saved up for our elfcation. because the markets of lothern will be like nothing else we have ever seen...
 
We've been told that the Widow uses the waystone network to "weave winds into ice magic", so maybe anyone who can access the Kislevian waystone network can touch ice magic, although using it requires training by the Ice Court first.

Maybe that's why they are worried about it being corrupted—the leylines are kinda exposed, out in the wilds.
 
one thing to consider with buying training from the eonir is that we definitly want to have a good amount saved up for our elfcation. because the markets of lothern will be like nothing else we have ever seen...

That's a fair point, but we may be able to pay the Eonir in something other than gold.

If Mathilde spends an action on it, it may be possible to train her and Eike in scouting in the field, with her assisting the people teaching her by killing or disrupting the enemies they're scouting for.

Mathilde, particularly post-Red Rider binding, would be a huge force multiplier to an Eonir warband.

Another option that might kill multiple birds with one stone is to ask Belegar/Kazador to lend Mathilde some rangers to assist her and Eike hunt down the Iron Orcs and show them the tricks of the trade on the way, as part of their support of the Waystone Project.
 
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If Mathilde spends an action on it, it may be possible to train her and Eike in scouting in the field, with her assisting the people teaching her by killing or disrupting the enemies they're scouting for.
ok but what are the eonir scouting for that is a threat? nordland? if we go scouting there its gonna be baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad. beastmen? got pretty much wiped out in their part of the forest.
the eonir dont care about anything but their forest and thats currently pretty safe from what ive gathered. (hell i dont actually know if the eonir are that great at scouting outside of their perfect forest. probably but they might have forgotten stuff)
 
No, no, see. It requires Eike to have a chat with the Bursar. Which will be good experience for later in life, and we don't even have to spend actions on it! :V
Remember that the weird ambiguity of the Vow of Poverty is to discourage young Grey Wizards from doing self-serving for profit stuff with their powers while Magisters already went through a loyalty test and are deemed trusted enough for that promotion in the first place. Eike, who grew up with a silver spoon in her mouth, is the heir to one of the greatest contemporary trade companies in the Empire, and is apprenticed to "Why do all these fish keep jumping aboard" Mathilde, founder of said trade company, has much less wiggle room in front of the Bursar.
 
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