I do not think we want the Shayllan's first combat action to be against humans, which seems likely with Marianburg and possible with Stirland.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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I do not think we want the Shayllan's first combat action to be against humans, which seems likely with Marianburg and possible with Stirland.
Realistically, skill wise Eike is ready to go journeying right now. There's other reasons not to kick her out the door after literally a single year, but after 3-4 years of just the natural progression she gets from putting her on relevant projects I think she's going to be vastly overqualified. So I don't think she really needs specific AP dedicated completely to her.
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So no humans. No non-humans whose danger hasn't been vetted. Presumably the iron orcs and Nagarythe are also out.
I'm struggling to think of a combat mission we've been on that would actually have been acceptable. Would the bookmining trip have worked if it had lined up correctly timewise, or would the possibility of a vampire preclude it? The Kislev visit? The hunt in Talabheim?
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Beastmen and Greenskins are attacking everyone all the time, just send her against one of those with competent adult oversight and she will be fine.
Somic
It's meow or never
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We have grown since the time when we bloodied the ducklings against orks, AND that one bloodying hadn't even gotten close to us needing to resurrect them! Like, if we don't let Eike tag along with us hunting an Apparition, how much are we going to coddle her?
...Okay, maybe the Iron Orks would be an acceptable next opportunity (with a close supervision, of course). But we have to trust in our ability to protect her, or her first experiences with real combat will be without our protection.
...Okay, maybe the Iron Orks would be an acceptable next opportunity (with a close supervision, of course). But we have to trust in our ability to protect her, or her first experiences with real combat will be without our protection.
That is a dumb reason. We are wizards we are going to fight against humans, some chaos corrupted some just dumb. Yes she's a shallyan but she's also a wizard idolizing us, the murder blender.
Having her have taken a human life while we are here to help is better then anything else we could do.
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There's bound to be some beastmen in need of purging in the Reikwald, we could go looking for them.
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Hmm, maybe pick one of the tributary actions in a danger zone and send Eike along. Incidental contact with forest goblins or beastmen are likely in many of the Dreaming Wood locations, and she'd have whatever members of the project we send along as supervision.
As boney has pointed out (to me as it happens, I had the same thought) the Colleges are more accommodating of faith than that, seeing as it is the thing that helps them not fall to Chaos and the like. If Eike wants to never directly take a human life the College can find work for her where she does not have to do that*.
*or at least where she is unlikely to.
By the time Eike is ready to be sent out, we may be finishing up the waystone project. It's six to eight turns. Waystone rollout will have happened, and we might have figured out nexi or decided we're not going to reproduce those in the near time (no idea on the difficulty of those since we haven't even touched one). So we'll need a new project: Incessently hovering over her.
Honestly also my preferred start of a easy blooding. She can use stealth, tactics and her own magic while fighting a common enemy of the empire.
Also there are always beastmen to kill.
Has she ever actually shown a unwillingness to take a life? We know she revere's shallya but she's not a priestess of how devout she actually is.
And her grandma and the colleges would have at least hammered into her skull that people can be very dangerous and that killing them is sometimes the better choice.
(Also as many have aluded to, a new everchosen is being chosen and I doubt Eike will be willing to sit that out.)
Also also she also had gotten a personal sword trainer... I think she's probably waaaaaaaaaaaaay more willing to kill someone then we thought.
(Sorry for the rambling, things just clicked a bit in my head, she probably already made her choices about violence and death...)
These are all fair points, but at the same time she has never killed anyone, given what we know of her faith it is probably worth making sure the first person she does kill is not some random bandit working for coin, it's not as though it costs us anything to be careful here, as you said yourself there are always beastmen.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Think back to Mathildes first combat encounter against the single zombie.
To be fair Eike is considerably better trained and armed than Mathilde was at the time. We only got into greatswords and general fitness after that.
Resonant
Procrastinator Supreme
I assume this is specifically for trying to extract the Chamon using those enchanted items, and direct attention from a High Mage is still a potential solution? Since IIRC you hinted at the possibility that an Elven Archmage could help.
Is there an issue with setting up a bounty system for illegal and problematic books that people shouldn't have anyways? Whoever it is stolen from can't really call us out on doing so since they'd be outing themselves, and we'd be keeping such books under lock and key. It would also remove them from potentially circulating amongst the enemies of civilization, they'd be much safer in a Dwarfhold. And who knows, maybe the thieves will steal from Vampires, Skaven, and Chaos cultists rather than legal institutions that are merely safeguarding them (like the Verenans).
If such books are damaged during the theft, it's not like anyone will weep for the loss of dark knowledge. The thieves can't spill any details about performing the theft of heretical tomes without being implicated and endangering their own lives. I had assumed the Ranaldian bounty system was meant to be used for that, tbh. Acquiring naughty books that nobody will care about.
@Boney Just to check, does the Imperial Gunnery School have any books we can copy? Perhaps they're still excavating/recovering them from the sinkhole, or did they make a back-up of their entire corpus in K8P? Also, shouldn't they be listed as one of the institutions we have 'Copy Agreements' with in the Informational post?
Had some miscellaneous questions too:
- How do we become the College Turner, and does it offer College Favor and privileges? Are we obligated to make a new staff for existing Magisters or just new graduates?
- Is there any room in the Imperial/Dwarven mindset for a "good vampire" situation a la Genevieve? Like say, if Mathilde was unwillingly transformed into a vampire but tries to do good despite that. Or is becoming a vampire essentially a death sentence in their view?
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Considering that Eike, has already been significantly trained in combat even before she was apprenticed, I doubt she is against personally killing.
Tbf she never had the opportunity to take anyone's life... The colleges are safe, wurtbach (? On the spelling right now) is safe k8p is super safe and laurelorn is also safe.
Also yeah, I was just generally against the idea that "humans are bad targets." It's a necessity in this world I feel to understand that not just other races are a danger. But your own race is one too and sometimes the biggest thread...
But yeah, for a first combat encounter beastmen are the perfect target. They are not too dumb to be no challenge. The empire knows them in and out by this point and they are always a problem to be solved.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Yes but being skilled and being ready to fight are two very different things.
I agree though the situations are not the same. That said she's also younger than Mathilde was as well. AA at her level is equivalent to leather armour. She's not THAT much better equipped than Mathilde was. My point is that Eike joining others on an offensive venture is fine expecting her to solo is well it's dangerous as hell.
IIRC this was basically such a boring job it would functionally be the retirement of Mathilde's character.
When this came up regarding the Dwarves Boney said this:
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This would be a fairly large commitment. Not a full-time job, perhaps, but making our own staff took an entire action. It'd need multiple actions a turn at that rate to have any appreciable impact and those don't sound like very interesting updates to read after the first one or two.
Tbh I'd rather commit to going on daring adventures every turn for sufficient college favor to just employ a magister to do the job for us. At least that would be fun.
At that point it gets people wondering why we're asking for naughty books. And the typical thief isn't going to steal from Vampires, Skaven and Chaos Cultists. Because those are hard to find and extremely dangerous to fuck with. And if he found them, they could probably just sell the information of their whereabouts to a Witchhunter or Grey Magister at no risk to themselves, and without having to move extremely illegal goods about.
No, the bounty is for normal humans who are disinclined to cooperate. Religious secrets, the prized possessions of nobles, restricted books of other magical traditions, that sort of thing. There will probably also be some really naughty books eventually, because the seller didn't realise it, but I'd guess most would cap out at the creeping flesh level.
I mean, what the bounty would be was explicitly "Details To be Determined" If we wanted it to be about trying to entice Ranaldian grandmaster thiefs to infiltrate vampire hideouts for rewards to the tune of 1000s of crowns,... we could probably do that, it would just be a pretty inefficient use of our budget.
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