I think putting the stolen books into a restricted section and letting them out in fifty or a hundred years would work... if we didn't have cute, innocent, immortal spiders as librarians. Luckily in general but sadly for this specifically, we do.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
Fair doos. I'd love to do the grey collage coop thing, but I imagine that's a bridge too far for Karaz a Krak.
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- Mid-Atlantic
There is absolutely a better way to achieve the desired side-benefits than us setting a wave of book thefts in motion across the continent.
Actually thinking of the KaK archives... would they have elf books? I mean from before the War of Vengeance, it would make sense for them to have some stuff, though not what we are most interested in, which is magic books that might be relevant to the project or useful to the Colleges.
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I have difficulty seeing a scenario wherein Belegar learns about us offering to pay people to steal books in our capacity as head of an organization under his authority and doesn't immediately reconsider our character and the existence of the institutions we've created, particularly the one that, depending on your interpretation, was either set up to enable us to do so or tempted us into it.
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Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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Which crown are you talking about here?
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Something like this?
[] Plan Aliya?
-[] JOHANN: Hunt an apparition (Rider in Red)
--[] COIN: The Gambler
-[] MAX: Study an artefact (Lustrian Rubbings)
-[] EGRIMM: Write a paper (Observations on the Windfall north of the Dark Lands)
-[] Waystone: Foundation (Everyone!)
-[] Try to see through Pall of Darkness with your improved magical senses.
-[] Attempt to create a liminal realm
-[] EIC: Negotiate and plan a magical route through the Schadensumpf to allow for easier trade with the Eonir without compromising their defenses
-[] KAU: Begin copying the full corpus of a Partner Library (Grand University of Nuln)
-[] SERENITY: Aethyric Vitae 1/2
-[] Eike Actions: Lustrian Rubbings, Windfall paper, Pall of Darkness
-[] Eike Study: Infiltrate a theater class
Personally I feel like three Eike actions is right on the edge of being too many. I wouldn't want to ask Eike to study something complicated while doing four actions, and I put in the theater class infiltration as my own preference. (The idea being it could train her Infiltration skills while also helping her with her Seen, Not Heard trait.) I think it'd work?
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- Mid-Atlantic
If that happened once we could pay it off and shrug and probably it wouldn't be a big problem.
If it happens dozens of times, people will figure out that it's not a coincidence and that we're intentionally becoming an attractive repository for stolen goods. And then we become the center of a scandal. And dwarves are particularly hostile to that kind of scandal, so bad stuff happens.
Yes, and at some point someone's going to ask why it seems like suddenly 3/4 of all rare books traded on the dark market in the Old World are gravitating to the same place. People will be worrying that our habit of acquisition might incentivize thieves to raid their collections. Raid them, as others note, destructively.
They'd be right to worry.
They won't know immediately, but shit gets around. People find things out. It kind of defeats the purpose of having the library if we can't ever let people know we have a bunch of these books.
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I do not think putting everyone on Foundation makes sense. at the very least Max would probably be redundant and for diplomatic reasons I think it makes sense to share tributaries with Kiselv now that we are rolling them out in Srirland.
Also you are kind of trusting literal thieves to keep their mouth shut about the very well paying job they just pulled and not... spill everything as soon as they get caught by anyone since the noose does not look fun. That does not seem wise in the long run, Ranald or no.
Also you are kind of trusting literal thieves to keep their mouth shut about the very well paying job they just pulled and not... spill everything as soon as they get caught by anyone since the noose does not look fun. That does not seem wise in the long run, Ranald or no.
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Aliya
Someone I might become
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Someone pointed out that Eike might not benefit from the Pall of Darkness action, so we might as well not include her. Which brings down her amount of actions back to 3, which is a good spot.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
The Pheonix King's the original that Karaz a Krak took after the war of the beard.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
Why would looking at that clue in Thorgrim about anything? We've been talking about looking at it for ages.
It's a unique High Elf masterwork that might be the work of Caledor Dragontamer himself, why wouldn't Mathilde want to look at it?
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Are you, perhaps, confusing the Crown of the Phoenix King (Asur masterwork that might've been made by Caledor, even the Dawi probably have to admit it's an excellent example of craftsmanship, currently sitting in a vault) and the Crown of Power (Thorgrim's crown, currently worn by Thorgrim, appears to act as a control system for the Karaz Ankor Waystone Network, nobody up to and probably including Kragg gets to look at it)?
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Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
As I understand we have to phrase these things in a way that is to the benefit of the Karaz Ankor in some manner and because it is so advanced I imagine he'd be at least a bit sus.
No I am talking about the Phoenix King's crown. We're not prying that thing off his head.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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We used to be able to look at it for a bit of Dwarf Favor.
We're now a Dwarf in good standing, I don't think anyone will have an issue with Mathilde wanting to look at an old Elgi relic. We just can't take it out of the vault.
[ ] Plan Spreading Goodwill
-[ ] JOHANN: Hunt an apparition (Rider in Red)
--[ ] COIN: The Gambler
-[ ] MAX: Study an artefact (Lustrian Rubbings)
-[ ] EGRIMM: Write a paper (Observations on the Windfall north of the Dark Lands)
-[ ] Waystone: Foundation (Elrisse, Tochter, Aksel, Hatalath, Cadaeth, Sarvoi, Thorek)
-[ ] Waystone: Other Networks (Karaz Ankor) (Thorek)
-[ ] Tributary: International (Kislev) (Zlata, Niedzwenka)
-[ ] EIC: Negotiate and plan a magical route through the Schadensumpf to allow for easier trade with the Eonir without compromising their defenses
-[ ] KAU: Begin copying the full corpus of a Partner Library (Grand University of Nuln)
-[ ] SERENITY: Not AV, suggestions welcome
-[ ] Eike Actions: Lustrian Rubbings study, Windfall paper, Waystone Foundation
-[ ] Eike Study: Magic (Sounds, then Bless Weapon, then whatever lesser spell makes sense)
Reasoning:
-[ ] JOHANN: Hunt an apparition (Rider in Red)
--[ ] COIN: The Gambler
-[ ] MAX: Study an artefact (Lustrian Rubbings)
-[ ] EGRIMM: Write a paper (Observations on the Windfall north of the Dark Lands)
-[ ] Waystone: Foundation (Elrisse, Tochter, Aksel, Hatalath, Cadaeth, Sarvoi, Thorek)
-[ ] Waystone: Other Networks (Karaz Ankor) (Thorek)
-[ ] Tributary: International (Kislev) (Zlata, Niedzwenka)
-[ ] EIC: Negotiate and plan a magical route through the Schadensumpf to allow for easier trade with the Eonir without compromising their defenses
-[ ] KAU: Begin copying the full corpus of a Partner Library (Grand University of Nuln)
-[ ] SERENITY: Not AV, suggestions welcome
-[ ] Eike Actions: Lustrian Rubbings study, Windfall paper, Waystone Foundation
-[ ] Eike Study: Magic (Sounds, then Bless Weapon, then whatever lesser spell makes sense)
Reasoning:
- Apparition because it was very popular last time and because we have been sitting on it a long time, coin on it because we are stapling something to our soul, that sounds like the kind of thing luck would be applicable to
- Lustrian papers might help with the foundation. Eike on it since she has not had much exposure to that side of wizardry yet and also beause she is an unbiased observer, she might spot something novel
- Finally do that Windfall paper and and slo get Erngrim and Eike on the same action to see if they are compatible, it would be cool if he could help her learn enchanting
- Foundation with as many perspectives as we can get, though I am aware that it does not have the witches. I do not think spirit lore will help with either though, this is deep Old One bullshit. I did put Thorek on two actions in case this thing is runic or rune adjacent. All in all I think he will be fin with it
- Even more than Kislev the dwarfs have seen the least out of the project they could use. I think it is time to have a look at them, maybe as a prelude for some runic solutions or a means of incorporating magical ones.
- Finally giving Kislev some results, I put both witches on this partially because they would be spreading the news to their respective orders and partially because I do not think Zlata will be much use on Foundation as young and inexperienced as she is. Also it should be nice for her to finally be able to bring some new lore home and justify her presence in the project
- We have been building up to this for a while I do not feel the need to justify it, more trade, less war, more better etc...
- I would love to go for Vlag, but I know a lot of the players would rather have something sure and available sooner rather than later. Those fire spire books aren't going anywhere
- Not taking AV because I do not want an inferior paper, blame Tzeench for the delay
- Academic and diplomatic actions for Eike, yes that means we likely will not see her intrigue, but I do not think we desperately need to and more to the point I think she could use a turn with no EIC, that company has been the center of her life practically since she found out it existed, she can take it easy for once
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I think just requesting access and giving the reason of "wanting to see what we can learn of elven artifice/enchantment in order to learn better ways to counter it or to understand their techniques for my own use" would be good enough? I don't really expect the Dawi to consider that a bad idea, we've got a pretty good track record with stuff like that. Though... I'd definitely suggest improving our enchantment to the point we can at least semi-reliably enchant battle-magic into items first. Give us a better chance of actually understanding what we are seeing.
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- She/Her
I'm somewhat confused as to why whatever we'd say about our reasons for wanting to see the Phoenix Crown would result in Thorgrim deciding we have some specific interest in the Karaz Ankor network (and this is a bad thing) if you're not intending to propose we look at the Crown that does things with the Karaz Ankor network, then.
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Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
Possibly, but I am paranoid.
Because for the same reason his crown seems to be tied to their network, I suspect that the Phoenix crown is tied to the network more generally. Perhaps he won't suspect that's why, but I doubt he'd be think we just want to learn how to disenchant their stuff or to learn from it, since if we wanted to do either we'd be better off looking at almost anything else.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
So the Dwarfs are currently fairly rapidly expanding their knowledge about Skaven. Does that mean we might be able to expand our library bonus on them soon?
The only source Mathilde has for Dwarf books are those available to the general public.
Kislev and Stirland are in similar dire need Laurelorn not so much IMO, I mean hell they have a way to replace tributaries, It is not a good one, but with no more humans in the woods it works fine.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
And somehow I think the Karaz-a-Karak archives might be not be convinced by the 'our library provides security' argument.
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If you want to put only one of the Lights on the Foundation then consider having it be Egrimm rather than Elrisse, as he is an enchanter and she isn't.
Speaking of Zlata, there's still the matter of her spending a mysteriously long time with Aksel, and seemingly eating one of our uses of the Gambler. Still not sure what's that about (working on an Ice Witch tributary in secret?) but, uh, maybe attempt to put Aksel and Zlata on the same action in the future to support whatever it is they're doing?
We have one (1) non-Windfall, non-book topic - Coins of Nehekhara's Fifth Dynasty. So...that, I guess?
On the other hand, negotiating the Mist Path is a diplomacy action which involves the Eonir, that builds on her previous Tor Lithanel diplomacy action. Also, I don't think Eike resents working with the EIC, has she ever indicated that? She once said in her internal dialogue something like "as satisfying as a balanced ledger", that doesn't speak to me of someone who hates Stewardship.