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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Hoping for a last minute surge for Stewards!

Think of all the Grey College rep / favors we can farm if we're able to set up the trading / intelligence network. Having an advance warning system for trouble in our section of the mountains in case there's some external threat building itself up would be useful right? (Disclaimer: I have no clue about the geography or potential threats that might be hiding in these areas...)
And maybe more exotic animals and stuff that we can relocate towards the Amber College!

And if we make a big enough impact with a dwarf - imperial trade route (and maybe eventually a closer alliance?) that could be an entry point for Imperial Rep and Favors! We don't have any of those yet! New shinies!

:p
 
By the way, now that we have air superiority in the form of an Aircorps, any assault above ground against us is going to be so much more difficult, and Karak-Eight-Peaks will be able to move above ground under the cover of artillery and air support, which makes it a whole lot easier.

Which means that the most difficult area to support is the underground battle. Filled with treacherous tunnels and Skaven and Greenskins. Do you know what's good in killing Skaven and Greenskins in tunnels? Irondrakes. Lots and lots of Irondrakes. Do you also know what is good against trolls? Irondrakes. Lots and lots of Irondrakes.

The solution to our underground fights and the mountain filled with trolls? Irondrakes. Lots and lots of Irondrakes.
 
I will vote to spend as much College Favor as possible on learning new spells. All the new spell. Every new spell.
Oh, and possibly other Enchanting techniques or something. Whatever. The main thing is magic!

Getting new magic items is IMO low priority. Improving our personal magical skills is more important - and yes, it is indeed more important than getting an item of Law of Logic.
 
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By the way, now that we have air superiority in the form of an Aircorps, any assault above ground against us is going to be so much more difficult, and Karak-Eight-Peaks will be able to move above ground under the cover of artillery and air support, which makes it a whole lot easier.

Which means that the most difficult area to support is the underground battle. Filled with treacherous tunnels and Skaven and Greenskins. Do you know what's good in killing Skaven and Greenskins in tunnels? Irondrakes. Lots and lots of Irondrakes. Do you also know what is good against trolls? Irondrakes. Lots and lots of Irondrakes.

The solution to our underground fights and the mountain filled with trolls? Irondrakes. Lots and lots of Irondrakes.
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I'd imagine that a couple of Bright Wizards could substitute in a pinch and let's be honest those pyromaniacs would love the chance to let loose on a horde of enemies in an environment where they don't have to worry about accidentally starting another forest fire.
 
Yeah, one upside if we go learning is having a mandate to get more wizards.

A Bright Wizard we can collaborate with could go a long way to preparing some nice toys for our coalition.
 
So on another topic entirely, the halflings are attempting to set up a farming community in an active warzone, and that's crazy.

I mean, wow. We're really going to do this, aren't we? Six peaks of eight still filled with ravenous enemies, and the dwarves are just going to hold them off and attempt to build a multi-racial kingdom right next door. With people farming and mining and having non-combat occupations and having children. I mean, it's all pretty crazy isn't it? There's going to be all of these people one failed defensive line from having their entire lives destroyed, and it's probably going to be the work of King Belegar's entire life to change that.
 
StormLord said:
Hoping for a last minute surge for Stewards!

Think of all the Grey College rep / favors we can farm if we're able to set up the trading / intelligence network. Having an advance warning system for trouble in our section of the mountains in case there's some external threat building itself up would be useful right? (Disclaimer: I have no clue about the geography or potential threats that might be hiding in these areas...)
And maybe more exotic animals and stuff that we can relocate towards the Amber College!

And if we make a big enough impact with a dwarf - imperial trade route (and maybe eventually a closer alliance?) that could be an entry point for Imperial Rep and Favors! We don't have any of those yet! New shinies!

:p
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Looking at your points, I feel a good chunk of it can be applied to the court wizard also. Yes, while being a steward will allow us an easier time to set up an intelligence network, we can still do it while being a court wizard albeit with the caveat that it might be smaller. Though if we actually do get grey wizards to come along, the intelligence we set up as a court wizard might just be more potent than a steward one. In regards to advance warning system, one of the main point of court wizard is to deal with unexpected threats and it is expected that Mathilde will be the first one to the deal with them. Same goes with oddities, since it will be expected that the court wizard to be the one who judge the items. Finally, I might be wrong here, but pretty sure Imperial favors are more or less considered as College favors considering all the good we did for the Empire is translated to College favors instead of Imperial favors.
 
Voting closed, writing will begin shortly.

SITB said:
@BoneyM, just checking, but does the 'Marry for love' vote leaves the door open to help Anton search for love?

EDIT: because it was my understanding it would.
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Possibly, but your occasional visits will be up against full-time badgering from those trying to prey upon him.

Aegon Targaryen said:
@BoneyM, how long will the vote remain open?
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spiritualatheist said:
@BoneyM, when does the vote close?
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Abhorsen said:
@BoneyM
Quick question: why hasn't voting closed yet? I thought we got 24 hours?
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Sometimes it's 24 hours to the minute, other times it's 24 hours plus however much longer I'm asleep or otherwise unable to begin writing. I sometimes do leave it open long enough for a while longer if the current topic of debate is swinging votes, but I make a post saying so when that's the case.

Aegon Targaryen said:
Voting for
[] Marry them... without any specific target seems like spite voting to me. I don't want to anger anyone or insult anyone, but voting for the sake of another vote not winning, not because you like what you vote seems just spite voting.
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Please don't make sweeping statements about the motivations of others like this.

TalonofAnathrax said:
I just realized that a gyrocopter just casually landed in the streets in Altdorf. Do these people have no notion of air traffic control? Bombardment risks?

I mean, it's convenient but it's also stupid.
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If the only ones with aircraft have been your allies for twenty-five centuries, you can relax a little on air traffic control. If Mathilde had come swooping in on a giant bat or something she would have had a tougher time of it.

chocolote12 said:
Actually, @BoneyM, that's as pretty good question; is Mathilde's normal life outside of the actions we undertake going to be including him if he wins, or will he have to complete with the snake juice if we want more than the bare minimum?
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If Mathilde had options in a given turn that were portable and not location-dependent, she'd do them at and on the way to and from Blutdorf. Otherwise Anton would spend weekends at Karag Nar and bring the Barony's paperwork with him.

Briefvoice said:
the dwarves are just going to hold them off and attempt to build a [...] kingdom right next door. With people farming and mining and having non-combat occupations and having children. I mean, it's all pretty crazy isn't it? There's going to be all of these people one failed defensive line from having their entire lives destroyed
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This is pretty much the history of almost every Dwarfhold for the past four thousand years.
 
Briefvoice said:
one failed defensive line from having their entire lives destroyed, and it's probably going to be the work of King Belegar's entire life to change that.
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You underestimate the Dawi! Behind the fortifications, there are more fortifications! And behind those, traps and a killing field for the other fortified artillery! And behind all that? The staging grounds and military installations from which they will march to build more fortifications even further away from the heart of the Hold!

:D
 
Alright, it looks like we are going to be the Court Wizard!

Now, let's get to our library building! We need books on the Winds, on Waystones, on enchantments, on the Waaagh, on Skaven, on basically everything!
 
BoneyM said:
If the only ones with aircraft have been your allies for twenty-five centuries, you can relax a little on air traffic control. If Mathilde had come swooping in on a giant bat or something she would have had a tougher time of it.
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Reasonable enough...although funnily enough, there's a novel/short story, didn't finish it, wherein the Skaven actually steal a Gyrocopter in an Empire museum. Literally flying it right out of the museum.
 
Thor's Twin said:
The solution to our underground fights and the mountain filled with trolls? Irondrakes. Lots and lots of Irondrakes.
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Fun fact: The Norgrimlings, one of the former Eight Peaks Clans that is currently scattered across the Karaz Ankor, is renowned for having a very large number of Ironbreakers and Irondrakes.

They're the Eight Peaks Clan I'm especially looking forward to seeing show up.
 
Thor's Twin said:
. Do you know what's good in killing Skaven and Greenskins in tunnels? Irondrakes. Lots and lots of Irondrakes. Do you also know what is good against trolls? Irondrakes. Lots and lots of Irondrakes.

The solution to our underground fights and the mountain filled with trolls? Irondrakes. Lots and lots of Irondrakes.
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Given that we do not have access to Irondrakes, what I am hearing here is "we need to invite some Bright Wizards over". Not impossible, probably?
 
Man, I just remembered. I went to sleep and there were a lot of pages Boney posted the "how papers work" thing and I was gonna go through the pages and discussion that occurred immediately afterwards...but so much stuff happened and so many more pages I forgot.

This...is not a bad thing, in my book.
 
You know, I was just looking up some things about Warhammer Lore, when I stumbled on the Ulgu Arcane Marks table. It was then that a thought occured to me. Mind you, I don't necessarily write this as an argument against marrying Anton, especially since voting is closed, but rather because it's an interesting thing to consider.

How DOES a marriage between an influential noble and a Grey Magister even work? I mean, let's think about it. As a Magister continues to do their job, they will either die, accumulate Arcane Marks or give up on magic and adventuring entirely, retiring. One of the Marks is Forgettable, which makes people forget about us if they fail a related roll. Someone already mentioned the problem of a husband forgetting he has a wife, but I want to touch upon a different, if connected, subject - the heirs.

Anton comes from a wealthy, influential and established bloodline that will need a legitimate and undeniable blood heir to avoid issues with inheritance. This, I think, is obvious. If we marry him, we'll need to provide one. So, with that in mind, and assuming we don't intend to retire and become a housewife... what happens once we get a Forgettable Arcane Mark? Considering how much we use our magic, it's almost inevitable (and probably one of the better outcomes, too). Anton will probably remember us, because we'll be far too close to each other for him to forget so easily, but what about his peers? If they can't remember us, will they consider our child the legitimate heir, or will they try to contest the legitimacy? Documents can be falsified, and there are no convenient DNA tests around, so what DOES happen if most of the nobles suddenly forget that Mathilde is married to Anton?
 
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Found my old list of all the Clans of Karak Eight Peaks. Most of them are noted to have consolidated in Azul after the fall, but some (like the Norgrimlings) instead scattered across the Karaz Ankor.
Chimeraguard said:
-Bronzefists - lode wardens (no idea what this means. Maybe something like specific security for mines/Ironbreakers before they were actually called Ironbreakers?)
-Copperback - miners
-Dourback - brewers
-Firehelm - miners
-Flinthand - miners
-Flintheart - metalsmiths
-Grimstone - prospectors
-Guttrik - rope-makers
-Helhein - warriors
-Ironback - miners
-Ironfinger - miners
-Ironspike - carpenters
-Norgrimlings - miners (also include a large number of Ironbreakers & Irondrakes)
-Stoneback - masons
-Stonebeard - Engineers
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Six Mining clans out of 15 (16 counting Clan Angrund.) Another dedicated to scouting out new places to mine, and depending on the job of a lode warden, another dedicated to guarding said mines.

Karak Eight Peaks loves its miners. IIRC, before its fall, it was renowned for having the richest and largest network of mines in the entire Karaz Ankor.
 
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Akasha said:
How DOES a marriage between an influential noble and a Grey Magister even work?
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As a general rule, it doesn't.


Magisters who marry typically do not marry nobles, because it's a massive social and political negative to use magic or taint one's heirs with a magical bloodline (see also: Roswita's reaction to being in the room with a wizard, the fact that most of the Empire's population will still burn magic-users rather than send them to the Colleges). Grey Magisters who marry typically conceal either the fact that they're married or the fact that they're a Grey Magister from everyone who isn't their spouse or another Grey. If we had accepted Anton's proposal Mathilde would quite likely have been the first Grey Magister to openly marry someone of his rank in the history of the Empire, and sorting out the social fallout from it would have been entirely our problem.

I was actually quite glad to see that "we shouldn't marry Anton because it would be a social suicide pact" didn't really get used as an argument against that vote in spite of how true it is. It felt very polite of the anti-Anton crowd.
 
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Chimeraguard said:
Found my old list of all the Clans of Karak Eight Peaks. Most of them are noted to have consolidated in Azul after the fall, but some (like the Norgrimlings) instead scattered across the Karaz Ankor.

Six Mining clans out of 15 (16 counting Clan Angrund.) Another dedicated to scouting out new places to mine, and depending on the job of a lode warden, another dedicated to guarding said mines.

Karak Eight Peaks loves its miners. IIRC, before its fall, it was renowned for having the richest and largest network of mines in the entire Karaz Ankor.
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Also creates an interesting political dynamic if you try to sort the inter clan relations by profession.

Most of the mining clans probably worked together and had rivalries interchangeably depending on the individuals involved, but given there was only one group of prospectors those prospector dwarves were probably the deepest ranging mining dwarves. And given the risks of that and their job being important for the other clans to maintain their jobs they were probably held in quite some esteem by the other miners.

The lode wardens would have needed to get on well with everyone given their warden/guard tasks, and depending on how those were shaped those tasks might have had them escorting Clan Grimstone prospectors into the deeps. So you have this big ole mining bloc, with the carpenters, rope makers and brewers all possibly connected due to their need for farms and the produce of the Karak's farms.
 
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Akasha said:
You know, I was just looking up some things about Warhammer Lore, when I stumbled on the Ulgu Arcane Marks table. It was then that a thought occured to me. Mind you, I don't necessarily write this as an argument against marrying Anton, especially since voting is closed, but rather because it's an interesting thing to consider.

How DOES a marriage between an influential noble and a Grey Magister even work? I mean, let's think about it. As a Magister continues to do their job, they will either die, accumulate Arcane Marks or give up on magic and adventuring entirely, retiring. One of the Marks is Forgettable, which makes people forget about us if they fail a related roll. Someone already mentioned the problem of a husband forgetting he has a wife, but I want to touch upon a different, if connected, subject - the heirs.

Anton comes from a wealthy, influential and established bloodline that will need a legitimate and undeniable blood heir to avoid issues with inheritance. This, I think, is obvious. If we marry him, we'll need to provide one. So, with that in mind, and assuming we don't intend to retire and become a housewife... what happens once we get a Forgettable Arcane Mark? Considering how much we use our magic, it's almost inevitable (and probably one of the better outcomes, too). Anton will probably remember us, because we'll be far too close to each other for him to forget so easily, but what about his peers? If they can't remember us, will they consider our child the legitimate heir, or will they try to contest the legitimacy? Documents can be falsified, and there are no convenient DNA tests around, so what DOES happen if most of the nobles suddenly forget that Mathilde is married to Anton?
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All forgettable does is erase memories of we we look like. It doesn't obliterate all knowledge of what we did.
 
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