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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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MooseHowl said:
Sure. But most people are not voting for the Marry Me Now option, either.

I only included it because as my runner up choice. I prefer letting the situation develop over time, to see what happens.
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The marry for love option doesn't lead to MathXAnton. Because:

BoneyM said:
You don't love him that way,
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Its the option that has us getting a letter informing us that he's somehow married the princess of Cathay.

MooseHowl said:
Well we're just going to have to agree to disagree on that, since I'm justifiably proud of all the evidence I found.
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Your evidence is two friends catching up, Anton being excited for adventure and not particularly happy being a side of meat at market.

qwolfs said:
The idea that Anton left Roswita and spent a day talking and having fun with us because he secretly loves us has deeply unpleasant implications.

It implies that he wasn't leaving because he is a man of principle and refuses to work for someone who mistreats his friends. It implies that he spent a day talking with us not because we are friends and spending enjoyable time with a friend who expects to leave on a long journey is how good friends behave, but because he "loves us". It implies that he does not have the spine and decency, to be honest when he asked for us to marry him. It implies a lot of very negative things that I don't think are true, at all.

Men can be friends with Women.

Mathilda's motivation for marrying him is not particularly great either. She doesn't love him, explicitly. Instead, she is willing to settle for him because she fears that she will not marry otherwise.
As if one day when she lounges on a mountain of gold, having made the empire safer for everyone, brought the Dwarves back into prominence, revolutionised magic and ended the threat of Silvania for another generation she will look back and despair because she didn't marry a man and pop out children. As if these accomplishments and she with them are worthless because she didn't marry someone.

Mathilda's worth is not defined by having married an eligible bachelor. Fear of missing out does not mean she should settle.
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I'm not going to rate this insightful because it fucking shouldn't be. It should be common sense.
 
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Glau said:
It can. But you are wrong: love is also a thing that is felt. Chemically, you are looking at a dopamine-based cycle that lasts 6-48 months, (puppylove, infatuation, whatever) followed by an oxytocin based relationship that is keyed off of spending enough happy time around each other that it clears a long-term maintenance bar.

So you are talking like the second bit is the only real love and I disagree: the first is still very real, and I think matches much closer with what Mathilde wants to experience.
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I would argue that the first is passion, not love. Psychology is more than biochemistry.
 
MooseHowl said:
I am confused where this secret love idea keeps coming from.

It definitely wasn't me advancing it in my post. I was very much referring to outright platonic love.
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You use the word platonic love once, but then shift immediately to assuming that that must also automatically mean that romantic love is going to be there, contrary the explicit text in the update.

If you're just talking about platonic love, then talking about storybook romances and marriage does not make sense.

Edit: If you're going to argue that all your evidence is about platonic love (fine by me), then you kinda have to admit that it's no longer useful evidence to argue that there's a storybook romance plot there, or that marriage is a good idea.
 
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Y'know how I said I was stepping back from the argument? Guess I was wrong!

MooseHowl said:
I am confused where this secret love idea keeps coming from.

It definitely wasn't me advancing it in my post. I was very much referring to outright platonic love.
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MooseHowl said:
But as far as Anton Quest is concerned, the Marry for Love option is right there. And half the questers are busy yelling at each other that they're going ruin their platonic friendship with asexual-aromantic-Mathilde forever and Blutdorf will fall into ruin and she'll run off to fight Skaven deep beneath the earth to avoid the awkwardness, and then the Mods have to step in...
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MooseHowl said:
I'm not sure how to feel about all of this; best approximation would be "extremely flattered". Physical attraction doesn't even factor into it. Mathilde been avoiding the romance novel side of things because Reality Does Not Work That Way, but the living breathing romance novel is standing right there. And neither can see it because they both think the other is too practical for that sort of thing.
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Ya'll also said that you think the Marry for Love option is a viable path to MathXAnton.
 
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[x] 'Head Ranger' (Spymaster), Internal Focus

As in my perfect world we would be spymaster again. I'll vote for that instead of a winning option since they are both super cool and I don't want to pick one over the other.

Anton is one diplomacy action away from criting his way into marrying the Everqueen cause she fell in love with the adorable human rascal when he went to Ulthuan to ask for a really nice flower set.

I'm not standing in the way of Antons luck with criting diplomacy rolls, Man is Uber successful when everyone expects him to be below average/average.
 
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10ebbor10 said:
You use the word platonic love once, but then shift immediately to assuming that that must also automatically mean that romantic love is going to be there, contrary the explicit text in the update.

If you're just talking about platonic love, then talking about storybook romances and marriage does not make sense.

Edit: If you're going to argue that all your evidence is about platonic love (fine by me), then you kinda have to admit that it's no longer useful evidence to argue that there's a storybook romance plot there, or that marriage is a good idea.
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Friends... can't ever turn into romantic partners? I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.
thamuzz said:
Ya'll also said that you think the Marry for Love option is a viable path to MathXAnton.
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Is it not?
 
For myself, I'm in the 'Marry For Love' camp.

If in the course of following this path, Matty and Anton both discover that in fact that does mean each other, then that's great. I'd be all for that.
But going in eyes open to a marriage of convenience on Mathildes part holds no attraction for me, just as Anton holds no physical or romantic attraction for Mathilde.
 
MooseHowl said:
Friends... can't ever turn into romantic partners? I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.
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Being friends is not a good reason for marriage, and certainly not to argue that it will be a storybook romance.
We already knew that Anton and Mathilde are friends, so if your evidence is just that, then it's kinda nothing.
 
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Personally, I view Court Wizard as the best way Mathilde can contribute to K8P. She's a devastatingly effective ranger-analogue, but that's on her own - it wouldn't make her a more effective Head Ranger. Being Steward would promote a focus on trade, but Barak Varr's influence and Belegar's understanding of its potential will basically already do that. On the other hand, she's the best candidate to respond to whatever Weird Stuff the rest of K8P throws at the fledgling Hold, keep an eye on Johann's research, etc.

It should also have plenty of opportunities for investigation/sabotage/general sneakiness, since a big part of Mathilde's job will be finding out what's going on and then dealing with it.
 
ctulhuslp said:
Depends on the kind of friendship, but it certainly cannot hurt at least.
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In this specific case however, we have Mathilde's own statement that there's no romantic love between the two of them. Bad basis for a marriage.

I could see it as a marriage of convenience, or for political reasons. That would make sense. But a lot of people seem to think it would be a loving marriage, and that just doesn't match what's going on.
 
veekie said:
South of Eight Peaks - Someone pointed out its where Nagash was chilling? Do not poke.
-How to stop a Waystone from exploding - This is legitimately important data given we're camped on there. I guess this is one of Teclis' packages?
-Nehekeharan Gold - Probably wise. Without metaknowledge...Mathilde still wouldn't have done it. She knows wight kings from back home are much the same and much less powerful. Nice trick tossing it to the Norscans though.
-Dark Lands - Probably the Dawi Zharr. Whats the other thing?
-Blighted Marsh - Whats so secret that even the secret package only tells you to get the fuck out of there?
-Rogue Magisters - Okay...yeah, hard to find a rogue magister, especially a Grey one who went to ground.
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Lustrian gold, not Nehekharan.
Probably, I can see Teclis going 'fix these if you find them please'.
Dawi Zharr, and Crookback Mountain maybe? Not sure.
The Blighted Marsh is where Skavenblight is. Having people poke around down there is a bad idea.

Sorry if these have been answered, thought I'd try and help :D.
 
10ebbor10 said:
Being friends is not a good reason for marriage, and certainly not to argue that it will be a storybook romance.
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Being friends is a better reason than just being acquaintances. But I agree it's not good to rush into.
But we must have read very different storybooks in the past.
Alliterate said:
For myself, I'm in the 'Marry For Love' camp.

If in the course of following this path, Matty and Anton both discover that in fact that does mean each other, then that's great. I'd be all for that.
But going in eyes open to a marriage of convenience on Mathildes part holds no attraction for me, just as Anton holds no physical or romantic attraction for Mathilde.
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Having sparked this argument in the first place, I feel sudden sympathy for Boney having to write the results.
 
MooseHowl said:
Is it not?
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Nope! Because, see, Math isn't interested in building such a relationship, and she'll be in K8P doing Mathy things while Anton is in Blutdorf doing Antony things. And Anton doing Antony things while searching for a marriage of love means that he either hits it off with some nice noblewoman or shenanigans!
I've stated my preferred shenanigans, but I'm not holding out any special hope on that front.
 
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