Was it? I thought he visited briefly and helped her get a better candidate than her current one before going back to sylvania. Hm.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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I think that's one of the best things about the setting, actually. You can serve the fascist empire as loyally as you want for as long as you want - but if it decides you need to die (even for no reason at all), not even the loyal are safe. No trial, no appeal, just execution.
It's a reminder that the Empire is a fascist dictatorship, not a bunch of good guys struggling in a grimdark setting.
Mopman43
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Imperium, not Empire.
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I really hope this Negaverse will feature the We, or as they're better known, the brave Guardsmen of Spidera IV. When Administratum incompetence reaches super-critical mass, Lady Inquisitor Weber is there to toss the resulting singularity at the Emperor's enemies!
Ironically, her staunch refusal to worship him as a God is in fact a large part of why she receives His favour; I wouldn't be surprised if a few quiet words were had with certain authorities to let her carry on, on pain of Giant Golden Boot Up The Ass for anyone who interferes with a possible solution to the giant gaping wound in the Veil beneath the Imperial Palace...
In not an 'Imperium Good' manner but an 'even Imperium not that stupid' manner, the whole phrase is "There is no such thing as innocence, only varying degrees of guilt."
The Inquisition (much like the Grey Order) are the type to suspect *everyone* of doing something wrong, but they're not completely divorced from the idea that someone's 'guilt' might be, even if measurable, small enough to not be worth punishing.
(There was also the 'A plea of innocence is guilty of wasting my time!' guy, but who knows what situation that was.)
Parts of the Inquisition are that stupid, in fact that can probably be generalized to 'parts of [Insert Imperial Institution] are that stupid'. The IoM survives in spite of itself, or better to say in spite of its common mythos and leadership. If everyone were orthodox nothing would get done, but since breaches of conduct are common and pervasive the paranoiacs see conspiracy everywhere. That is one of the other differences to Fantasy, it is a rotting husk that at its worst matches the horror of its foes and which devours its best. If any universe should thematically have had a End Times it should have been 40K, but nah, space marines sell overpriced plastic better.
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The tragedy of Warhammer Fantasy is that if everyone could just work together, if the Dawi and the Asur and the humans and maybe the damned Lizardmen could agree on one thing, that they can't have the world ending, then they might be able to pull through. They might be able to fight back the darkness, re-establish the Waystones, ensure Chaos is beaten back for ages more. But they can't. There's too many grudges, too many flaws, too many people who can't set aside their greed or ambition or anger for the world, and who drag it down with them.
The tragedy of 40K is that that chance is long gone. Blame it on the Old Ones, on the Necrontyr, on the Eldar, on the Emperor, it doesn't matter. Everyone who could have done better failed, and all that's left is the broken shadows of their legacies, fighting for reasons they don't understand and can't let go of. There might be sparks of hope, but everyone who's looking for them can't distinguish them from the false hopes left behind. That's why the Inquisition sucks so much, because it doesn't understand as a whole what the real problem is, it's too large.
The tragedy of 40K is that that chance is long gone. Blame it on the Old Ones, on the Necrontyr, on the Eldar, on the Emperor, it doesn't matter. Everyone who could have done better failed, and all that's left is the broken shadows of their legacies, fighting for reasons they don't understand and can't let go of. There might be sparks of hope, but everyone who's looking for them can't distinguish them from the false hopes left behind. That's why the Inquisition sucks so much, because it doesn't understand as a whole what the real problem is, it's too large.
The thing is when the chips are on the table everyone does work together in Fantasy, as much as I dislike the End Times the overall story was of the forces of order rallying and the betrayal coming from Manfred and I do not think many people are going to argue that the moral of the story is that the good guys need to work with Manfred more or that he is the only one who can save the day. The reason the End Times felt so forced is that the world broke before the Grand Alliance did.
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No, that was Regimand via Elspeth von Draken.
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I mean, Brettonia had a massive civil war, a big chunk of the Dawi just barred their doors and waiting in their holds, Tilea got its ass kicked because it kept trying to deny the existence of the Skaven, etc etc. As a whole they sort of rallied, but they were hammered over and over by civil unrest and disunity between their leaders that in large part led to that collapse.
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SaltyWaffles
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Referring to the late Tzar, not the late Empress-Consort.
Someone like Algard or the other LMs of the Grey Order could probably guess that Mathilde did it, but not with any degree of confidence, and they aren't interested in knowing either way. Since the intention and results have spoken for themselves, they consider it another case of a lesser evil with very solid justification and without a conflict of interest.
The Grey Order handles its talent and penchant for assassination of Empire/allied leaders pretty well by making it more of a last resort or a "least evil option" justification combined with the fact that you cannot get rewarded for it. Basically, if you're doing it, it's because you have come to the conclusion that it is the least bad option available to you and that no one will ever thank you for it. It is merely the least-wrong thing to do, awful as it is.
Like the Amethyst Order treats death as a welcome inevitability (even if you live much longer than normal, you will die eventually somehow and that is a good thing), combined with forbidding the continuation or establishment of any kind of dynasty or legacy beyond the impact of your actions. It pushes its magisters as far away from necromancy as possible, very much including in terms of mentality.
I don't know why the Light Order requires celibacy, though. @Boney : why does the Light Order require celibacy? You'd think that they of all people would welcome children, given how they hunt down all orphanages for every scrap of magical talent.
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Eh... not saying you are wrong on the particulars, but 'Alliance could have been 50% Grander' isn't much of a moral indictment, it is a failure of degree not of kind. Compared to 40K which was/is very much a failure of kind.
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I mean, yeah, absolutely. Like I said, the chance to band together is long gone, they already failed.
Yes, and they are a big facism because they are raised in a broken system that gives them the wrong solutions and so they can't distinguish what actually does anything from what makes things worse. Again, fighting for reasons they don't understand and can't get rid of.
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Not boney, but if I had to guess it's at least partially because a lot of groups focused on enlightenment require celibacy. From what I understand enlightenment is something which requires detachment from material needs and wants, which celibacy encourages.
On a more practical level, enforcing celibacy means that the group which polices the colleges and most directly fights chaos have less levers for forces of evil to corrupt or manipulate. Add to that, it means that those inside the college have less reason to or want to interact with those outside of the college- which is helpful if you're trying to maintain a cult like control over your people.
Also I think it's been mentioned that hysh dampens people's lust/desire a lot.
I believe the short version is that attuning yourself to Hysh, the wind of purity, enlightenment, and truth, makes creating and maintaining romantic relationships hard, if not outright distressing, so the collage just cuts off any trouble before it can start.
If I recall correctly, however, it is specifically romantic relationships that are banned—relationships based around physical intimacy rather than emotional intimacy are considered okay.
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...that we know of.
That's the thing about the grey order. This could happen every couple of
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Mopman43
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I mean, the Grey Order has only existed for about 190 years at this point. So not sure about 'every couple centuries'.
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I wonder how long it'll be before Eike assassinates someone from a ruling family. At this point it's a tradition.
Parabola
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While I think it's quite possible Mathilde's was the biggest solo necromancer killing spree someone in the Colleges has done, I think it's worth emphasizing solo, killing spree, and in the Colleges.
Vampires and necromancy have been a problem in the Empire for a lot longer than the Colleges have existed. I have to imagine in the past there's been similarly proactive individuals who had enough experience and/or favor with Morr to make up for the lack of Ulgu and Ranald helping them out. Perhaps a really good user of Morr's or Sigmar's divine magic? Or perhaps one of the previous Andanti - we know for a fact that they're trained from an early age for stuff like that, and they arise like clockwork every generation to thwart vampires and their prophecies.
Also important to note: necromancers don't tend to conveniently gather in such large numbers in the first place for someone to take out most of them in one swoop - I'd like to think Mathilde just happened to be the right woman in the right place and the right time.
Vampires and necromancy have been a problem in the Empire for a lot longer than the Colleges have existed. I have to imagine in the past there's been similarly proactive individuals who had enough experience and/or favor with Morr to make up for the lack of Ulgu and Ranald helping them out. Perhaps a really good user of Morr's or Sigmar's divine magic? Or perhaps one of the previous Andanti - we know for a fact that they're trained from an early age for stuff like that, and they arise like clockwork every generation to thwart vampires and their prophecies.
Also important to note: necromancers don't tend to conveniently gather in such large numbers in the first place for someone to take out most of them in one swoop - I'd like to think Mathilde just happened to be the right woman in the right place and the right time.
In the darkest timeline Eike assassinates Mandred
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Is Ulthar's shamed Dad still clinging on to the throne of Karak Hirn?
So does Heidi.
Once someone gave probability a kick in the ribs.
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fictionfan
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Necromancers tend to be close to solo acts. Not just because of the Dhar induced paranoia, but also because multiple necromancers are usually not really more scary then one with a bigger skeleton army.
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Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Or just someone who was good enough with a sword. If you're good enough, then the fact they have magic won't matter a damn, becasue you'll just kill anything they raise to fight you with.