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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Would Adela have any ideas or suggestions for improvements for the Gyrocopter (magical or otherwise)? Seeing as she's the pilot and probably understands the machine far better than we do.
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Remember that it's a purely transport-focused gyrocopter, specifically the first non-military aircraft the dwarves have built since the Golden Age, and thus specifically not intended to fight or do anything exotic.

It's made specifically for (relatively) comfortable carrying of people (and modest cargo) from point A to point B very quickly.

The only enchantments that would make sense at all are ones to reduce the engine noise the passengers/passenger compartment (which might actually work, since sound and concealment fall within Ulgu), which is notably the only issue at all to come up in all our time of using it thus far. And from a dwarven perspective, of all the ways for magic to muck up a gyrocopter, something like that seems like the least offensive (it's only affecting the passenger compartment, doesn't touch the mechanisms or moving parts, is a purely passive effect, and addresses an issue that even dwarves would acknowledge is a bit of an annoyance for passengers in regular gyrocopters).

There is also the practical benefit of allowing for conversations between passengers during flights.

How does that one sound, @Boney ?
 
Boney has stated we can spend multiple AP on the Waystone prototype. I kinda want to spend at least two and have everyone on it, probably working on different prototypes.

I know Boney doesn't want us dragging everyone on everything, but this is important and applicable enough I think it should be a rare "all hands on deck" situation, with some splitting off into different project groups.
 
A_Somebody said:
Boney has stated we can spend multiple AP on the Waystone prototype. I kinda want to spend at least two and have everyone on it, probably working on different prototypes.

I know Boney doesn't want us dragging everyone on everything, but this is important and applicable enough I think it should be a rare "all hands on deck" situation, with some splitting off into different project groups.
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I don't think we have the action flex for multiple Waystones not without ignoring WEB-MAT, with the efficiency and personal interaction issues that brings. I think it is worth keeping in mind how much we already did and in how short a span of time. There seems to be little cause to rush like that when we can do one experimental stone now and one next turn say, half a year isn't that much in the grand scheme of things.
 
My plan:

[] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings
Name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-low level nonmilitary or civilian magics(questions I asked Boney seem to indicate this is possible)
-selective breeding of plants and animals


Hrrm. I'm also looking at the stuff other people are voting for, like medicine, and I'd kind of wanted to see whether the society of immortals has good information recorded about similarly long lived threats from Norsca.

Need to flesh out the rest of the plan.
 
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guyfromtheplace1 said:
-low level nonmilitary or civilian magics(questions I asked Boney seem to indicate this is possible)
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Possible, maybe, but probably not ever going to be useful to Mathilde. In the same discussion he also said this:
Boney said:
This might be a good way for a number of quiet and bookish sorts who want peaceful lives in service to the Colleges to spend their years, but it wouldn't really be a good or interesting use of Mathilde's time and attention.
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ReImagined said:
Possible, maybe, but probably not ever going to be useful to Mathilde. In the same discussion he also said this:
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Stick some of the other people in our branch college on examining the books? Get a couple of college favor out of any findings and start having the flavor text acknowledge wizards using more utility spells.

Alternatively, things like threats from Norsca or Norscan geography could be useful.
 
[X] [LIBRARY] Barak Varr: The Ten Kingdoms of Ulthuan, the Kingdom of Nehekhara, Naval Warfare
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] Ulric (Imperial Esoteric, 100 gc)
 
[X] [LIBRARY] Back-fill: Social science
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] Ulric (Imperial Esoteric, 100 gc)
 
SaltyWaffles said:
Remember that it's a purely transport-focused gyrocopter, specifically the first non-military aircraft the dwarves have built since the Golden Age, and thus specifically not intended to fight or do anything exotic.

It's made specifically for (relatively) comfortable carrying of people (and modest cargo) from point A to point B very quickly.

The only enchantments that would make sense at all are ones to reduce the engine noise the passengers/passenger compartment (which might actually work, since sound and concealment fall within Ulgu), which is notably the only issue at all to come up in all our time of using it thus far. And from a dwarven perspective, of all the ways for magic to muck up a gyrocopter, something like that seems like the least offensive (it's only affecting the passenger compartment, doesn't touch the mechanisms or moving parts, is a purely passive effect, and addresses an issue that even dwarves would acknowledge is a bit of an annoyance for passengers in regular gyrocopters).

There is also the practical benefit of allowing for conversations between passengers during flights.

How does that one sound, @Boney ?
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Either nothing at all or sort of a muffled thwocka thwocka thwocka, I suppose.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
The only enchantments that would make sense at all are ones to reduce the engine noise the passengers/passenger compartment (which might actually work, since sound and concealment fall within Ulgu), which is notably the only issue at all to come up in all our time of using it thus far.
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I think there was at one point talk of using a bright magic spell that creates an always burning flame as an infinite fuel source.
I don't recall if that idea was shot down or not and if it was, maybe our pilot being a bright mage capable of actually controlling magical fire might change the equation (or it might not).
If nothing else it would be easy to confirm wether it might be worth a try given that the use of bright magic in engineering is Adelas whole thing as a wizard.
 
Boney said:
Either nothing at all or sort of a muffled thwocka thwocka thwocka, I suppose.
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Wait, does this mean that an enchantment or rune could make it so that there would be no noise in the passenger compartment (or just to the level of a muffled thwocka if we so choose), or that the best we could get is a muffled thwocka?

And would the muffled thwocka be enough noise reduction to make conversation inside the passenger compartment relatively easy?
 
SaltyWaffles said:
Wait, does this mean that an enchantment or rune could make it so that there would be no noise in the passenger compartment (or just to the level of a muffled thwocka if we so choose), or that the best we could get is a muffled thwocka?
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The former.

SaltyWaffles said:
And would the muffled thwocka be enough noise reduction to make conversation inside the passenger compartment relatively easy?
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Easier.
 
Wiggy said:
*Looks sadly at the dragon skeleton we had to leave most of behind out of duty*

Not the *only* issue.
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We aren't trying to haul massive amounts of cargo with our gyrocopter. Having access to that much loot only transportable by gyrocopter and a limited time to take said loot is a rare occurrence and not worth the favor, AP, and risk entailed for maybe achieving that sort of thing, especially when such an achievement would be limited to a single example.

Simple noise reduction for the passengers on any gyrocarriage, on the other hand, is the kind of simple utility that even dwarves might appreciate, especially when the failure of such an enchantment mid-flight wouldn't result in anything worse than the passengers having to deal with the loud noise they otherwise would always experience. And for the kind of VIPs gyrocarriages transport, being able to converse mid-flight could actually be quite useful even in purely military situations.

allmightytoaster said:
I think there was at one point talk of using a bright magic spell that creates an always burning flame as an infinite fuel source.
I don't recall if that idea was shot down or not and if it was, maybe our pilot being a bright mage capable of actually controlling magical fire might change the equation (or it might not).
If nothing else it would be easy to confirm wether it might be worth a try given that the use of bright magic in engineering is Adelas whole thing as a wizard.
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Simply put, it would be far easier and far safer to test that sort of thing out on a regular steam engine (I'm sure we could convince a sufficiently radical Zhufbar engineer to go along with such a test) that wouldn't cause our helicopter to fall out of the sky if it ever went wrong.
 
I wonder if the new Loremaster at K8P would be interested in invisible gyrocopters with his dreams of dwarven paratroopers? Like, the sound would still alert people that they were there, but not knowing where they are to shoot at them until a hundred ironbreakers jump out and start murdering things is still a nice tactical advantage.
 
Flying a gyrocopter without being able to see the controls or instruments would be pretty tricky.

Can you see yourself under Shroud of Invisibility? And would getting the spell to treat the pilot as part of the vehicle be safe?
 
Orbmorb said:
Flying a gyrocopter without being able to see the controls or instruments would be pretty tricky.

Can you see yourself under Shroud of Invisibility? And would getting the spell to treat the pilot as part of the vehicle be safe?
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It's magic, I daresay they'd leave it visible to the pilot and passengers.

Yes, that's not how a physics-based solution would probably work, but magic doesn't care about that.
 
Wiggy said:
I wonder if the new Loremaster at K8P would be interested in invisible gyrocopters with his dreams of dwarven paratroopers? Like, the sound would still alert people that they were there, but not knowing where they are to shoot at them until a hundred ironbreakers jump out and start murdering things is still a nice tactical advantage.
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IMO, the whole idea is a non-starter: unless only the gyrocarriage itself and not those within turned invisible (rather invalidating the point), it would slowly turn said ironbreakers to stone because, you know, dwarves. Every time they used the thing it'd slowly hurt them.

Even if that wasn't the case, the enchantment itself would be hard. Boney said this some time ago:

Boney said:
The straightforward enchantment of Shroud of Invisibility is an item of clothing or jewellery that would make the wearer invisible, probably for a very short amount of time. Anything beyond that would have limitations and quirks dependent on how the enchanter adapted the magic to fit the purpose of making an item invisible, instead of a person.
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So enchanting a whole gyrocarriage and by extension those inside to be invisible for a long enough period of time to accomplish its job would be hard, not something you can really churn out. It's a lot of work to ask of a Grey enchanter.

I think it might actually be doable if you replaced the idea with an Illusion around the gyrocarriage, but that's not in any sense guaranteed to be easier from a pure enchanting perspective.

A final point against the idea: if Okri were radical enough to ask a wizard to enchant a gyrocarriage to become invisible so that it was harder to shoot, he might as well be radical enough to ask a Runesmith to try to enchant one so that it was better at withstanding ranged attacks. It might not be, according to Dwarven sensitivities, something so crucial like the Eye of Gazul or the anti-Dragon monolith that it'd be worth going to wizard for in the first place.
 
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The thing about air cavalry is their overwhelming desire to be low-key. They absolutely hate making dramatic entrances and definitely want to move as quietly and unseen as possible. There definitely isn't an inexplicable yearning inside Okri's heart for a method of affixing musical instruments to the exterior of a Gyrocarriage.
 
Boney said:
The thing about air cavalry is their overwhelming desire to be low-key. They absolutely hate making dramatic entrances and definitely want to move as quietly and unseen as possible. There definitely isn't an inexplicable yearning inside Okri's heart for a method of affixing musical instruments to the exterior of a Gyrocarriage.
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*FORTUNATE SON INTENSIFIES*
 
Boney said:
The thing about air cavalry is their overwhelming desire to be low-key. They absolutely hate making dramatic entrances and definitely want to move as quietly and unseen as possible. There definitely isn't an inexplicable yearning inside Okri's heart for a method of affixing musical instruments to the exterior of a Gyrocarriage.
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Should this have a sarcasm tag? Because I am getting vibes.
 
Boney said:
The thing about air cavalry is their overwhelming desire to be low-key. They absolutely hate making dramatic entrances and definitely want to move as quietly and unseen as possible. There definitely isn't an inexplicable yearning inside Okri's heart for a method of affixing musical instruments to the exterior of a Gyrocarriage.
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Boney, I have a burning question: Is it possible that Dwarves may end up creating Music With Rocks In It, due to their affinity with stone, or is that possibility outweighed by their fondness and love for tradition?

...Actually, given that I just framed it that way, I guess the question I actually want to ask is, have Chaos Dwarves developed Rock, or did they just skip straight to Death Metal?
 
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