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Lothern wouldn't be dangerous, but it could get dull after a week or two. Boney has previously stated that he would struggle to write a full action's worth of content there. Unlike Laurelorn (the only city of the Eonir, and which therefore has to have a lot of interesting and worthwhile things), Lothern is just one city among many of Ulthuan. An important one, sure, but it's not really representative of their overall culture, and it's not a place you can wander around aimlessly in and expect to find interesting things worth that time investment.
Dull to read about and dull to actually be in are two different things. Vacation stories and photos are famously boring for everyone but the people who did them. I'm sure Eike would be able to find plenty of things to do and different cuisines to try that wouldn't make for an interesting story.
 
God I love the bag of rocks. It's so beautiful. So incredibly offensive and baffling to every elf who sees it. I just wanna shove it in the faces of everyone we can reach!
It's just so perfect. So perfect for fucking with people.
The best part is that even with the Actual Waystone Leyline Passcodes, the Mk 1. B.O.R. still has a pretty strong use case. For riverine areas that you need to clean the Dhar or EBM out of, but you don't want to plop down the more expensive Jade Tributaries (much less the other options). It's a phenomenal triage tool, and exceptionally movable.
 
As this is the first time Mathilde received recognition as an Important Person to be Approached... how do you all think she was perceived? Especially since she resorted to hiding behind Dwarven drinking customs.
 
I'm given to understand Boney came up wiht most of his Laurelorn stuff before 4e released their own bunch of stuff regarding it, but that's interesting.

Dreams are not the domain of Shyish, they're the domain of Morr. Though certainly, it's an interesting line of thought...

Anyway, if Eltharion is getting messages from his dead family, it's possible his ancestors did interact with Lord Sarriel or something and that's why he's interested. Hmm.
Sarriel is identified as a god of dreams by Tome of Salvation. However, he is identified as a demigod and originally an elf by Archives of the Empire - Vol I, which is from WFRP 4e. He is also noted for being a seer in 4e. He has a very interestingly amount of overlap with Morai-Heg and Morr.

I had misremembered about the Talisman of Hoeth. It gives the bearer a portion of the wisdom of the first Warden of Tor Yvresse. Not the knowledge of every Warden. Dreams are part of how the brain processes memories. It would make sense if a mage who specializes in dreams created a talisman that preserves the magical knowledge of the original bearer.

The position of Tor Yvresse also isn't inherited. Eltharion was elected to it. His father, Moranion, wasn't the Warden. There is only one source I can find that names Eltharion's predecessor, and it's Citadel Journal 35 (released in 1999 and coincides with 5th Edition).
 
he spends some time scrutinizing one of the bag of rocks, by force of will alone remaining resolutely unbaffled.
Ha! Another ancient master humbled by elegant simplicity.

The Grey Lord contributions make him quiet and thoughtful, and he seems disappointed to hear that you've had very little dealings with most of them. When he asks about a Lord Sarriel you're forced to admit you've not heard the name until now, and he drops the line of inquiry. The Dwarven contributions seem to make him maudlin, and you notice him lightly touching the hilt of his sword several times, as if to remind himself it's still there.
Eltharion is well acquainted with just how much the Asur have lost. Their lands. Their fellows in the colonies. Their allies of the mountains.
Some of those things can be restored, at least in part, with time and effort. But the full glory of the golden age must feel so very far away.

Put those notes firmly in the 'important, but not currently relevant' draw.

All in all, a refreshingly practical and straightforward experience with a representative of a place usually known for not being those things. If Eltharion and those like him remain the go-between for the Old World and Ulthuan, you foresee a very prosperous partnership in your collective futures.
There are none others like Eltharion, not amongst the Asur. But his influence should keep the worst of the meddlers at bay.

It's hard to imagine worse than the likes of Stirpikes, Reik Eels, and Bog Octopi, let alone the interlopers from the Sea of Claws, but you don't doubt that the depths of the Black Water would be up to the challenge.
Your annual reminder that this is very much a deathworld and hostile armies are far from the only dangers a traveller would face.

The equal of a royal wedding. And rather more than showed up for the Tzar's coronation, although that is presumably just a matter of internal vs international nature of the events.

and when Wilhelmina takes you into a quiet corner for you to confirm that Kislev's upcoming canal to bypass the Mazhorod ford is only going to be the first stage of a much more significant project, her cackle unnerves everyone brave enough to hover nearby.
Long ago a significantly younger Wilhelmina gave a long searching look at the untested and inherently suspicious journeyman wizard asking for money and decided to extend a bit of trust. In the time since that trust has been repaid a thousand fold.

Dwarves approach speech-making with the same thoroughness and lack of mercy that they do a battlefield, and if there are members of the audience that cannot appreciate a mere twenty minute digression relating to an unexpected granite cross-seam interspersed with loose shale and the cunning employed to carve a tunnel through it without casualties or structural deficiencies, then that speaks to a deficiency within those listeners.
I sometimes wonder if Mathilde is aware of her chronic dwarf-itis. Grey wizards are taught introspection and to be paranoid about their own thoughts. Could be that she knows and approves, but considers it impolite to acknowledge even in her own head.

The simple fact of the matter is that you're no longer an opportunistic interloper at an event like this, where those that have the power to shape the future of the Old World meet and mingle. You have become one of those people.
Despite every effort to the contrary. She could have been a mover and shaker when she was spymaster. After leaving she has consistently if not deliberately taken jobs that keep her out of mainstream politics. But it seems her achevments have finally outpaced her elusiveness.


A lovely Christmas present, my thanks.
 
Very interesting to know that Caledor can produce the Titan Metal and that it wasn't all sourced from the Sky-Titans.
Mathilde: "I've tricked Ulthuan and the Karaz Ankor into working together again for their mutual benefit, because Ranald will find it amusing."

Heidi: "What happened to not going for elaborate plans?"

Mathilde: "What makes you think I planned any of it? I'm literally making this up as I go."

Heidi: "…no wonder He likes you so much. You must be hilarious to watch."
 
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Sarriel is identified as a god of dreams by Tome of Salvation. However, he is identified as a demigod and originally an elf by Archives of the Empire - Vol I, which is from WFRP 4e. He is also noted for being a seer in 4e. He has a very interestingly amount of overlap with Morai-Heg and Morr.

I had misremembered about the Talisman of Hoeth. It gives the bearer a portion of the wisdom of the first Warden of Tor Yvresse. Not the knowledge of every Warden. Dreams are part of how the brain processes memories. It would make sense if a mage who specializes in dreams created a talisman that preserves the magical knowledge of the original bearer.

The position of Tor Yvresse also isn't inherited. Eltharion was elected to it. His father, Moranion, wasn't the Warden. There is only one source I can find that names Eltharion's predecessor, and it's Citadel Journal 35 (released in 1999 and coincides with 5th Edition).
The Shyish might be the ghost of his father.

The ghost appeared before him after his father was killed by Grom and brought him the Fangsword.

Makes me think of Imrix's Paradox of Choice quest with a HE prince consulting with his father's ghost.
 
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Question. Did we ever get Forrestry books from Laurelorn?

Also I am sad the subtle addition didn't win. I think we deserved it, for being the main instigator for this whole thing that basically stole all the secrets from all these tight-lipped factions and laid them on our chosen table.
 
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not even sure what or how many books we can buy.

something political and / or social sounds like a good idea.
while we are pretty good at those things it would not hurt to be better at any of them.

tactical and other war stuff might be nice, but not really our wheelhouse.
maybe some econ stuff but i think we are good on that mostly.

not sure what we could buy on magical lore stuff that be useful.
 
Are the currently available research avenues so limited that the deepest archives need to be delved for new mysteries?

People will justifiably riot if stretch goals are added to that.
My understanding based on your earlier words I quoted was that it would be a completely separate avenue of actions, separate from AV and separate from waystones. Starting with Mathilde comissioning some runesmiths or apprentices to delve into archives, which is not tied to anything else and doesn't actually require powerstones / orbs of magic on hand. And then, if the search would turn up something, comissioning and collaborating for further research and if possible, making works with runesmithed powerstones / orbs of magic, which would need powerstones / orbs of magic but is not tied to any extant research. Depending on how the initial search would turn out, it could be then tied to WEB-MAT or could be still just Mathilde's personal favours / commisions to the Dwarves.

In that understanding currently available research avenues (for waystones I assume?) don't factor into question of whether the research is possible or needed, and there's nothing to add that as a stretch goal to.

Or are you explicitly tying that to what Mathilde is doing now (waystones / AV I again assume) / disallowing that in the separate form I outlined above? Or woudn't quite want to deal with that now / for the foreseeable future / at all? Naturally your prerogative as a QM, not trying to argue or aggravate you.
 
she can already recite that one phrase her knowledge of Eltharin and Lingua Praestantia.
It'll be fun trying to teach it to Johann. :)
"You speak elf?"

"You don't?"
Many attempts at explaining the pronunciation of the inaudible later.

"So, wait, you're saying the Colleges' Lingua Praestantia you speak isn't just words in Elf?"
"Eltharin. How do you not know that yet? And no, not exactly, but it is derived from some of the key wind-resonant phrases."
"And this impossible, inaudible Waystone passphrase we got from Eltharion isn't in Elf either?"
"No. It's in their equivalent to Lingua, Anoqeyån."
"Ah, right.

So Magic Elf, then."

Mathilde massages her temples and considers delegating the task to Max.
 
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Many attempts at pronouncing the inaudible later.

"So, wait, you're saying the Colleges' Lingua Praestantia you speak isn't just words in Elf?"
"Eltharin. And no, not exactly, but it is derived from some of the key wind-resonant phrases."
"And this impossible, inaudible Waystone passphrase we got from Eltharion isn't in Elf either?"
"No. It's in their equivalent to Lingua, Anoqeyån."
"Ah, right.

So Magic Elf, then."

Mathilde massages her temples and considers delegating the task to Max.
Johann does actually speak Elf now, though.
 
The Shyish might be the ghost of his father.

The ghost appeared before him after his father was killed by Grom and brought him the Fangsword.

Makes me think of Imrik's Paradox of Choice quest with a HE prince consulting with his father's ghost.
I thought of that. Moranion is mentioned to be a great mage who has experience with waystones. During the Great War against Chaos he used waystones to summon storms that destroyed ships from Naggaroth and Norsca. I would have just kept on assuming that until I saw Eltharion's interest in Lord Sarriel. Moranion's ghost was mentioned to vanish and I'm not aware of anything to suggest he stuck around. The Talisman of Hoeth is gives the bearer a portion of the original warden's knowledge. I think it's the best fit.
 
Question. Did we ever get Forrestry books from Laurelorn?
We haven't, though I imagine that'd have a different name. Boney once mentioned that books on 'herbalism' would be split between Flora of the Reik Basin and Medicine; so I'd imagine Flora as an overall topic is far too broad and all-encompassing.
 
My understanding based on your earlier words I quoted was that it would be a completely separate avenue of actions, separate from AV and separate from waystones. Starting with Mathilde comissioning some runesmiths or apprentices to delve into archives, which is not tied to anything else and doesn't actually require powerstones / orbs of magic on hand. And then, if the search would turn up something, comissioning and collaborating for further research and if possible, making works with runesmithed powerstones / orbs of magic, which would need powerstones / orbs of magic but is not tied to any extant research. Depending on how the initial search would turn out, it could be then tied to WEB-MAT or could be still just Mathilde's personal favours / commisions to the Dwarves.

In that understanding currently available research avenues (for waystones I assume?) don't factor into question of whether the research is possible or needed, and there's nothing to add that as a stretch goal to.

Or are you explicitly tying that to what Mathilde is doing now (waystones / AV I again assume) / disallowing that in the separate form I outlined above? Or woudn't quite want to deal with that now / for the foreseeable future / at all? Naturally your prerogative as a QM, not trying to argue or aggravate you.

My issue is that this isn't arising from or connected to anything that's actually in the story, someone just thought it might be neat if this was a thing that could happen and the only way it's even remotely possible is if time and resources and attention are spent on the wildly unlikely off-chance that it's recorded somewhere that someone tried it ten thousand years ago. If it succeeds then it's a complete non sequitur where Mathilde suddenly starts pursuing some entirely new and hitherto unsuggested thing and I have to invent completely from scratch what happens if you take the opposite of magic and apply it to solid magic, if it doesn't succeed then AP and writing effort has been spent on a complete dead end. Neither possibility seems like a good direction for the quest to go in, not when there's literally dozens of other things Mathilde could pursue that are directly connected to her past and present.
 
Did you read the last sentence of the post I linked? Laurelorn is not treated as being part of Ulthuan officially or unofficially. While that last sentence might have been discarded because whether humans are banned from Ulthuan might have been invented by the fandom rather than GW, it indicates that Ulthuan's official policy towards Laurelorn is to treat like... not Ulthuan. If Ulthuan's policy was to treat Laurelorn as independent in fact only, Boney would not have said that they were only allowed to dock at Lothern.

The simplest explanation to this is that Mathilde made a mistake. Mathilde said nothing about "it puts it into agreements with other nations." She said that it recognizes it wholesale. Just flat out and unmodified. Mathilde would not have said it would have huge ramifications on Laurelorn and Ulthuan's relations if she had known Ulthuan already recognized Laurelorn's independence. She would have said something like what you said. That putting it into words with nations like the Empire and Kislev would be significant. Not that the action in and of itself would be significant.

Again, the simplest explanation here is that Mathilde made a mistake.
Or that recognising a state as independent and waiving land claims are different. One says "these people aren't rebels to be killed for their treachery" the other says "they aren't occupying our stuff, so we can't invade to get that stuff back". The Empire and Bretonnia recognise each other as independent for example, but IIRC, have fought wars over territorial claims. I want to say that the Parravon Wars were about that in fact, but am not sure.
 
Johann does actually speak Elf now, though.
I figured he might. But he's still not given to fancy wordsmithin' like Mathilde. But I still don't think he speaks Lingua Praestantia, though? All the same, I guess it does weaken the joke about our himbro bestie somewhat.

Or he could be having fun with Mathildes' earnestness in matters of language.
 
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Now that we know Albion exists and is blockaded by confounding mists, would it make sense for us or the grey college to do some investigating into if it's possible to break through? I honestly am not sure if there's a better group to try and pierce through than the humans who most closely align their souls with ulgu
 
Now that we know Albion exists and is blockaded by confounding mists, would it make sense for us or the grey college to do some investigating into if it's possible to break through? I honestly am not sure if there's a better group to try and pierce through than the humans who most closely align their souls with ulgu
Better than the Elven sailors and mist-mages who've tried for millennia as a matter of pride?
 
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