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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Andres said:
I think it might've been a mistake to vote for what we did back then. We keep wanting to use the EIC economically and haven't been really interested in its espionage capabilities.
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At a cost of a full AP per turn? I disagree strenuously, Mathilde's personal AP are so precious. If we'd been the Steward, we would probably have been able to use it to full effect as a half-AP organization, in which case it would be a no-brainer, but then we wouldn't have been the High Wizard Wrangler of K8P. Opportunity cost is a bitch.

We've gotten some good use out of the EIC half-actions (including some notable intelligence wins); it's just that we've never been in a situation where we can leverage the stuff that the EIC would be really good at, and that's on our decisions. Like I mentioned before, we kinda picked the single worst post-K8P option out of the top options for the purposes of using the EIC as a spy network. But we also voted to pick up the library as a half-action, so as long as we want to keep the library under our direct control and we don't have anything better for the slot on our radar, the EIC is basically "free", since we'd be at 5 personal AP with the library and no EIC anyway.
 
fictionfan said:
We could use an influx of gold if only because I expect that it can be used to get Titan metal. Most people would trade in titan metal for it's weight in gold.
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The problem with titan metal is that it doesn´t matter.

We have no way to smelt it the way it needs to be smelted to make the waystone gold, the tech is beyond even Dwarves.

As far as we can tell, for the purposes of most people, that research is a dead end.
 
picklepikkl said:
We've gotten some good use out of the EIC half-actions (including some notable intelligence wins); it's just that we've never been in a situation where we can leverage the stuff that the EIC would be really good at, and that's on our decisions. Like I mentioned before, we kinda picked the single worst post-K8P option out of the top options for the purposes of using the EIC as a spy network. But we also voted to pick up the library as a half-action, so as long as we want to keep the library under our direct control and we don't have anything better for the slot on our radar, the EIC is basically "free", since we'd be at 5 personal AP with the library and no EIC anyway.
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Doing things like the mist bridge using EIC actions could end up being very efficient, and if we chose to stay in Laurelorn for another few years (appointing us as the first Imperial Ambassador to them could make sense for the Emperor, for example) then I think we will get increasingly more use out of it as it establishes more and more of a local presence. It's just that like any such institution in a pre-modern setting, it makes sense for it to take years for it to set down roots in a new place. If we want to really leverage the EIC, we need to stay somewhere long enough for it to become bedded in, or return to somewhere it already is, I think.
 
pucflek said:
The problem with titan metal is that it doesn´t matter.

We have no way to smelt it the way it needs to be smelted to make the waystone gold, the tech is beyond even Dwarves.

As far as we can tell, for the purposes of most people, that research is a dead end.
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We have a gold wizard smith who I suspect has been working on the problem on his own time.
 
Tobtorp said:
Actually... Would ulthuan be willing to middleman the sales? They should still have contacts in cathay
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I don't think we would be getting full access to their trade connections, it says cooperation, primarily access to the network codes. I think the focus would be more on the study and less on the infrastructure parts, at least to begin with. Not to mention that they want simple reproducible stones. Limited supplies of metal that one has to scrounge out of the Orge Kingdoms do not fit either of those things.
 
fictionfan said:
We have a gold wizard smith who I suspect has been working on the problem on his own time.
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I... don´t think thats gonna help at all? Like, whatsoever?

If dwarven metallurgist would need like centuries of effort to ever arrive at method to make it, then i don´t really hold out hope for it being rolled out within Mathilde´s lifetime, provided she doesn´t go immortal.

And thats if there was a will to drive that development all this time.
 
pucflek said:
I... don´t think thats gonna help at all? Like, whatsoever?

If dwarven metallurgist would need like centuries of effort to ever arrive at method to make it, then i don´t really hold out hope for it being rolled out within Mathilde´s lifetime, provided she doesn´t go immortal.

And thats if there was a will to drive that development all this time.
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Gold Wizards can stare at the creators while they're creating it, even if that happened centuries ago.

We can never tell the dwarves that, but we can't do that precisely because it's very effective.
 
Woltaire said:
don't they really only invade bretonnian seasonaly?
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They sometimes basically run raids through parts of Bretonnian to remind the humans why they should not fuck with them because humans have short memories in the Elves eyes.

reignonyrparade said:
I mean, the original purpose of the waystones in the Asrai area was in fact to keep all the stuff they live next to contained in the forest itself. Asrai political opinion on All The Stuff They Live Next To has changed a bit since those days, they PROBABLY haven't blown up their own nexus but at the same time if it turned out they HAD decided to, I wouldn't be surprised!


Bretonnia about 3/4 of the time, the southwest empire about 1/4 of the time is my impression.
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Normally the Wood Elves don't do anything in the Empire outside of their secret war with the Beastmen and Mercenary work. The Wild Hunt for example when it has happened has gone in to Bretonnia almost every time. A few times it has gone to other places but those were exceptional situations. Like the Time Orion and Ariel curb stomped Morathai and her servants big time.

Tobtorp said:
If the answer to that is yes... We do what we did at vlag... And turn their tab off.
Now that might provoke them but this option is there to be taken.
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I don't think we want to give to Godly Avatars reason to want to really fuck over the Empire when is fighting them helps no but the forces of Chaos.
Gavin Prince said:
The satire of it is, I think, that at the point you run across that section of the lore you expect cultural genocide to be the over-the-top pastiche most of the Imperium embodies. And instead you go "Huh, it's just forced assimilation. The space nazis consider that so effective at wiping out indigenous culture that they're happy to use it in lieu of the flamer-and-sword. But we had those policies here recently ourselves and...umm, wait..."
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I would not call it Culture Genocide considering just how different to world in the Imperium can be and how. Different their conception of the Emperor as a "God" can be.
Blackout said:
Then, once a few generations are born and raised believing that and nobody even remembers a time when Sigmar wasn't the Emperor, they start subtly shifting things around. Actually, Sigmar was never born, he was an Avatar of the Emperor who descended from the heavens. He didn't get his hammer from the dwarfs, oh no, it's a divine weapon, not something cobbled together by Squat Abhumans. Ulric and the other gods, whose worshippers have all been converted into worshipping Sigmar by now, get quietly removed from any mention.
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That does not sound to different from what some of the more people extreme members of the Cult of Sigmar say but otherwise that is a pretty go beak down of a possible couse of events.

I could see the Humans gods becoming spirits and saints in service to the Emperor however.

Woltaire said:
Do bretonnia and the empire have any longstanding beef with each other on specific issues that payday could resolve in some manner?
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The Border between the two Countries and the amount of blood that has been shed over it is the biggest beef between the two states overall but their have been other issues. I don't think the Waystone stuff could be enough to solve that issue so we would have to do some investigations to see what they could pay.

[X] [BLOOD] Empire (Canal linking the Urskoy and Lynsk)
[x] [BLOOD] Order (send male magic users to the colleges)
[x] [ULTHUAN] Cooperation
 
[X] [BLOOD] Empire (Canal linking the Urskoy and Lynsk)
[X] [BLOOD] Kislevite military aid in reclaiming the fallen Nexuses of the Forest of Shadows
[X] [BLOOD] Personal (Partnership between Kislev's libraries and KAU)
[X] [BLOOD] Empire (Docking rights in Erengrad for Imperial military and commercial ships)
[X] [ULTHUAN] Cooperation
 
KingCrimson1081 said:
So once the AV research is done and the BÖÖK is published what is the next decades long research project Mathilde should embark on?
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Arcane Marks, Wind Herding, and Apparitions all seem like good projects that we've already dabbled in, but I'd really like to start the Nehekaran stuff. Imagine if we could reverse engineer some of the enchantments on the Vlad's ring, or the insights we could gain from W'Soran's prophecies.

Look at all the skills we gained just from the Liber Mortis—surely our vampire notes have to equal that at least.

I confess, I just really want to do a Nehkara arc at some point. I like Egyptian aesthetics, and I think there's a lot of cool lore—both arcane and divine—we can go digging for.
 
Honestly the thing that pushed me over to advocating for the canal with the Kislev favor was realizing that if we didn't get the Asur info we might be on this campaign for another real-world year or two. I'm pretty sick of the Waystone Project in comparison to the Eight Peaks or Sylvania arc. I want to go do some real Grey cloak and dagger shit with Eike in tow, not have 20 more turns of 'I go look at more rocks, debate linguistics and do another research roll'.
 
Abhorsen said:
Does anyone know where the map with the waystone nexuses is?
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Here is the original map, by ScarabShell.

And Here is a more recent one made by MrHobbit, posted today. It's more detailed since it adds Athel Yenlui, the Marcher Fortress, and the rough canonical locations of the Blood Fane and the Brass Keep, but as it itself notes, there's still missing locations - the location of the Tower of Melchior is kinda ambiguous on where it is since the one canonical thing we have to go on doesn't place it in the Forest of Shadows.

Also, neither take into account how Karak Norn is definitely connected to the Karaz Ankor network. Nevermind, see my next post below.
 
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Mopman43 said:
It isn't?

We know the Karaks that are connected to the Dwarfen network, and Karak Norn wasn't one of the ones listed. None of the New Holds are connected.
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Sorry, what I should have said, is that the New Holds are receiving enough juice to power their Great Runes of Valaya, even if they don't contribute power to the overall network. And that's probably how Laurelorn found out 8 Peaks reconnected.
 
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Parabola said:
Sorry, what I should have said, is that the New Holds are receiving enough juice to power their Runes of Valaya, even if they don't contribute power to the overall network. And that's probably how Laurelorn found out 8 Peaks reconnected.
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The Runes of Valaya existed prior to any Waystones being a thing.

Personally I don't think they're connected to the Network that way.
 
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