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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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I support bringing on Brettonia once we have a waystone design to sell to them. The waystone project doubles as a diplomacy project - to many it is primarily a diplomacy project that happens to double as a waystone project.

Developing more ties is a good thing and something worth doing in and of itself. No reason not to get paid while we're doing it though!

Meanwhile, I can't help but wonder what a damsel would make of windherding. Is it something they can already do? Or something we can sell dearly in and of itself?
 
Gavin Prince said:
Tbh, I think [Payday] is probably the way to go for Bretonnia. The alternative would have to be something that's collectively useful for the entire spread of project members, and I can't think of anything that would fit other than Project assistance that we no longer need. Individual prizes for each of the polities, sure, but that's what [Payday] is.
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The only thing I can think of is that Bretonnia usually sits out Everchosen incursions, don't they? Maybe we could ask for them to march North alongside the rest of us when the next one comes along?
 
Gavin Prince said:
Also that they were indirect and face-saving about their request. The thread has demonstrated a preference over and over for blunt directness when it comes to diplomacy. I think if they'd come straight out and said "Please, we need your help", in those words, there'd be a damsel in the Projects bi-annual meetings.
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they tried to use ulgu diplomacy when they should've used dwarf diplomacy
 
Eisenhelm said:
Right now I just don't feel like doing anything for bretonnia is worth it. We have elf batman breathing down our necks going "i am here because we see the worth of your project and want a slice of that, so what do you want in exchange?" so when before we had to bargain whit people to join our club, now even the magic capital of the world need to pay the price of admition, bretonnia just seems as small potatoes and retroactively we were right in that they were not worth the trouble.
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The people who live within the nation-state we call 'Bretonnia' deserve to have good waystone infrastructure.

I'm not speaking to what we might bargi-X GONNA' GIVE IT TO YA. for, or what fair deals will achieve this; but as things stand, I deeply value Bretonnia being able to make their own tributaries [and possibly more advances waystone infrastructure - depending on how things go in future turns.]

What we might demand of them as payment is beyond the scope of my post, just that I want them to be able to make tributaries, and possibly more.

Fuck Bretonnia. Or don't. It's not important.
The people who happen to live there are.
Gavin Prince said:
Also that they were indirect and face-saving about their request. The thread has demonstrated a preference over and over for blunt directness when it comes to diplomacy. I think if they'd come straight out and said "Please, we need your help", in those words, there'd be a damsel in the Projects bi-annual meetings.
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I'm eager to have them participate, but I was fully against them hosting the project for this very reason.
I've little patience to parse such language.
 
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Maybe, to beat the same drum I did this turn, Bretonnia's payment for Waystone secrets can be in blood. Have them commit forces to retaking the nexuses.

That's a payment I'm sure all the project members would be happy to receive in lieu of shinies, as it means they don't have to pay it themselves. And it's something that Bretonnia's rulership could probably swing support for as a chivalric endeavour against chaos/necromancer strongholds.
 
Gavin Prince said:
Maybe, to beat the same drum I did this turn, Bretonnia's payment for Waystone secrets can be in blood. Have them commit forces to retaking the nexuses.

That's a payment I'm sure all the project members would be happy to receive in lieu of shinies, as it means they don't have to pay it themselves. And it's something that Bretonnia's rulership could probably swing support for as a chivalric endeavour against chaos/necromancer strongholds.
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I could see a lot of support for this regarding the Forest of Shadow nexuses, if it turns out that the Lady is Ranald's other daughter. It'd be one goddess helping her sister.
 
Gavin Prince said:
Maybe, to beat the same drum I did this turn, Bretonnia's payment for Waystone secrets can be in blood. Have them commit forces to retaking the nexuses.

That's a payment I'm sure all the project members would be happy to receive in lieu of shinies, as it means they don't have to pay it themselves. And it's something that Bretonnia's rulership could probably swing support for as a chivalric endeavour against chaos/necromancer strongholds.
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This sounds like an excellent deal, yeah. We'd want Damsel involvement as well, but we can probably swing both with the right sort of diplomacy and throwing in the Iron Orc mission.
 
Gavin Prince said:
Maybe, to beat the same drum I did this turn, Bretonnia's payment for Waystone secrets can be in blood. Have them commit forces to retaking the nexuses.

That's a payment I'm sure all the project members would be happy to receive in lieu of shinies, as it means they don't have to pay it themselves. And it's something that Bretonnia's rulership could probably swing support for as a chivalric endeavour against chaos/necromancer strongholds.
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That would actually fit great. It both meets Mathilde/thread tradition of her "price" being something that further helps the project, and it's right up Brettonia's alley - Errantry wars are like their entire thing.
 
Woltaire said:
Do bretonnia and the empire have any longstanding beef with each other on specific issues that payday could resolve in some manner?
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Several territorial disputes. Various treaties that could be signed on economic, military or political matters. Sheer lucre. If we take the [Payday] option, though, I'd be happy to pass it up the chain and let the Emperor's court deal with negotiations.
 
I am re-reading our time since the waystone project started and I have to point out.
Boney said:
Egrimm emerges from the inner chambers of the Light College in the ceremonial garb of a Lord Magister of the Order of Light. Well, in most of it. He's already removed the very tall mitre, which would be completely unwearable anywhere with normal-size doorways
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It's lame that the only physical thing Egrimm got for his promotion was a supremely impractical hat. Do the lights at least get something for their Magister promotions like the jades golden cycle or the Grey's staff?

[x] [BLOOD] Order (send male magic users to the colleges)
[x] [ULTHUAN] Cooperation
 
Eisenhelm said:
It's lame that the only physical thing Egrimm got for his promotion was a supremely impractical hat. Do the lights at least get something for their Magister promotions like the jades golden cycle or the Grey's staff?
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Mathilde didn't get anything for promotion to Lady Magister (apart from a secret).

She would have gotten a staff for promotion to Magister, but there wasn't a Turner in residence.
 
Mopman43 said:
The existence of an independent Marienburg.
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I don't think that one gonna work out cause as black out said A they want it for themselves and B I think asking for them to go war is likely too much for a payout
Gavin Prince said:
though, I'd be happy to pass it up the chain and let the Emperor's court deal with negotiations.
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I suspect we have a vote on later what we advise the emp to take similar to how we would have a vote later on empire payday for the current vote
Boney said:
The Empire's share would be decided in a later vote.
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Woltaire said:
Kind of blanking on what the enoir would demand from the bretonnia in a hypothetical payday
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Laurelorn's attempting to get a port off the ground. Help with shipbuilding, or building the infrastructure for shipbuilding, is a proficiency Bretonnia can offer. Alternatively, theyre also still in the market for exotic human trade goods. A large enough shipment of wool, leather, oil, wines, foods, and horseflesh would probably suffice.

If not, a tripartite deal where Bretonnia doubles up payment to one of the other Project members like the Dwarves or the Empire, and has them fulfil Eonir demands to secure Laurelorn's acquiescence.
 
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I am genuinely pretty perturbed by people talking about things like "selling waystones to the brettonians" like they have to pay us in some way for the privilege of... reinforcing a world saving work of infrastructure, specifically the portion the empire relies on to not become part of the chaos wastes.

I saw some similar arguments with Ulthuan.

People do realize that the more order aligned groups work on this the better right?

We're not hurting some sort of monopoly by letting people make waystones, we're helping fulfil our goals.

I feel like part of this thread is getting into this weird favor trading, "well what's in it for us" headspace.
 
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