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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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picklepikkl said:
Out of curiosity, why that wording specifically? I tried to get a discussion going yesterday but nobody really bit, and I'd like it if the blood boon book bloc (say that five times fast) could unify around a wording before the vote opens. For reference, here was my own take:
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Partnership alone doesn't necessarily mean Kislev will send us their copies. it could just mean we'll have the right to make our own copies... And that'd be around four or five actions, after arranging language teachers for our scribes.

And I get the impression people want to be very specific about this sort of thing. It's not that I wouldn't go for your write-in, but Boney has said we can be about as vague or specific as we want to be, and I want to take advantage of that.
 
IronFist said:
Isn't it still infested with gribblies?
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It's unclear, but it's certainly dangerous.

Wiki entry said:
During the Great War, the tower acted as a lightning rod to Chaos sorcerers and was forever twisted by Dark Magic. Now, the Fire Spire stands as a testament to the witches' warnings, for none who enter its haunted chambers return; but, even so, the promise of lost magical wonders continues to tempt desperate treasure hunters. The Fire Spire still attracts both natural and unnatural phenomena, and being near it during a storm is a very bad idea.
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Honestly, I don't want real estate in the city where said real estate still periodically bleeds, grows faces, etc. And there has already been 200 years of looting attempts, and the nexus of bad magic that warps and twists the environment is most assuredly not conducive to the preservation of any notes, tomes, or valuables within. This isn't drakenhof where things have stayed in an entirely mundane and maintained library-cave until we toppled it, people; this is a locale where the environs are turbo-hostile to anything fragile for 200 years where no one has been doing any maintenance.
 
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Lammen Gorthaur said:
Come to think of it: @Boney , would using the Kislev boon for docking rights in Erengrad be viable? That is, the right to base the Imperial Fleet and our merchant fleets out of there? I'm well aware that Erengrad doesn't have the basing facilities that Marienburg has, but that's something that I'm positive we'd find a lot of seed funding for anyway.
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Yes.

Mellowfellow said:
so just to check @Boney, KAU establishing library partnership with Kislev would let both parties copy their future acquisitions from a wider net? I.e. If KAU copies from an Estalian library, Kislev who's usually unrelated can get that too.
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Yes.

Mellowfellow said:
Also how big of an impact and undertaking is a canal connecting the Urskoy-Lynsk rivers? It links Erengrad to the Empire's rivers network which sounds like a big deal for the short distance the canal needs from the proposed map.
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It's not that short. The shortest route would be Vdovya to Baiyn at about fifty miles, and that's over hills and through a forest so probably wouldn't be that practical. Sticking to a route with no elevation changes, no terrain obstacles, and already-existing infrastructure would be Inkodevna to Bolgasgrad via Zhanyka, which brings it up to a bit over a hundred miles. It'd mostly just take hard work which Kislev can do, but it's still no small project.

The impact would be fairly significant. Being able to bypass Marienburg to reach the Sea of Claws would be a big deal for the Empire, both economically and militarily. It would be a boon for the economy of Kislev, since it would put the capital city on the same river system as the other two major cities - boats are hugely more efficient than cattle-drawn carts and transloading is a pain. And it would make northern Kislev a lot more accessible from the Empire, which would build new economic and cultural connections between the two.
 
Lammen Gorthaur said:
would using the Kislev boon for docking rights in Erengrad be viable? That is, the right to base the Imperial Fleet and our merchant fleets out of there? I'm well aware that Erengrad doesn't have the basing facilities that Marienburg has, but that's something that I'm positive we'd find a lot of seed funding for anyway.
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... Huh.

That'd actually be a pretty significant incentive for the Empire to invest in the defense of Kislev, wouldn't it.
 
Boney said:
The impact would be fairly significant. Being able to bypass Marienburg to reach the Sea of Claws would be a big deal for the Empire, both economically and militarily. It would be a boon for the economy of Kislev, since it would put the capital city on the same river system as the other two major cities - boats are hugely more efficient than cattle-drawn carts and transloading is a pain. And it would make northern Kislev a lot more accessible from the Empire, which would build new economic and cultural connections between the two.
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The canal is sounding better and better.
 
Boney said:
It's not that short. The shortest route would be Vdovya to Baiyn at about fifty miles, and that's over hills and through a forest so probably wouldn't be that practical. Sticking to a route with no elevation changes, no terrain obstacles, and already-existing infrastructure would be Inkodevna to Bolgasgrad via Zhanyka, which brings it up to a bit over a hundred miles. It'd mostly just take hard work which Kislev can do, but it's still no small project.

The impact would be fairly significant. Being able to bypass Marienburg to reach the Sea of Claws would be a big deal for the Empire, both economically and militarily. It would be a boon for the economy of Kislev, since it would put the capital city on the same river system as the other two major cities - boats are hugely more efficient than cattle-drawn carts and transloading is a pain. And it would make northern Kislev a lot more accessible from the Empire, which would build new economic and cultural connections between the two.
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Oh, I like that a lot. OK, forget the books, I think I'm in on that: it continues the project of weakening Marienburg without ever firing a shot, it helps Kislev's internal strength, it ties the two countries closer together, and best of all it is deniable because it can be tied to the new Tzar looking at the dwarf-Empire canal and going "I want a piece of that action".

100 mile canals are a lot in the age of muscle power, but the Romans made canals that long and longer, so it's not absurd by any means.
 
Boney said:
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Yes.



It's not that short. The shortest route would be Vdovya to Baiyn at about fifty miles, and that's over hills and through a forest so probably wouldn't be that practical. Sticking to a route with no elevation changes, no terrain obstacles, and already-existing infrastructure would be Inkodevna to Bolgasgrad via Zhanyka, which brings it up to a bit over a hundred miles. It'd mostly just take hard work which Kislev can do, but it's still no small project.

The impact would be fairly significant. Being able to bypass Marienburg to reach the Sea of Claws would be a big deal for the Empire, both economically and militarily. It would be a boon for the economy of Kislev, since it would put the capital city on the same river system as the other two major cities - boats are hugely more efficient than cattle-drawn carts and transloading is a pain. And it would make northern Kislev a lot more accessible from the Empire, which would build new economic and cultural connections between the two.
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yah it canal time
 
Boney said:
It's not that short. The shortest route would be Vdovya to Baiyn at about fifty miles, and that's over hills and through a forest so probably wouldn't be that practical. Sticking to a route with no elevation changes, no terrain obstacles, and already-existing infrastructure would be Inkodevna to Bolgasgrad via Zhanyka, which brings it up to a bit over a hundred miles. It'd mostly just take hard work which Kislev can do, but it's still no small project.

The impact would be fairly significant. Being able to bypass Marienburg to reach the Sea of Claws would be a big deal for the Empire, both economically and militarily. It would be a boon for the economy of Kislev, since it would put the capital city on the same river system as the other two major cities - boats are hugely more efficient than cattle-drawn carts and transloading is a pain. And it would make northern Kislev a lot more accessible from the Empire, which would build new economic and cultural connections between the two.
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Hell Yeah, I knew it.

Is my phrasing is fine as option to vote guys? Lets not split the vote with bad phrasing so if anybody thinks it is faulty make it known please.

[] [Blood] Empire (Build a series of cannals that connects Dwarf-Empire canal network to Erengard and Kislev City with pre-determined and resonable access prices for the Empire and Dwarven citizens with in kind access to Empire Canals given to Kislev in return.)

Edit: Also we seem to have a minor boon from Karaz-a-Karak. Do you think this would be a good use? Having some dwarven specialists free of charge to ensure no errors happen would save Kislev a lot of headache and KaK is rich enough for it. That way we don't touch Vlag either.

Karaz-a-Karak (Minor) / Runesmiths Guild (Moderate): You gave Kragg the Grim an opportunity to begin reverse-engineering several ancient Runes.
 
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An additional strategic benefit of the canal would be that the armies of the Empire would have a much easier travelling to Kislev and kept supplied than marching when the next Everschosen rolls around.
 
Boney said:
It's not that short. The shortest route would be Vdovya to Baiyn at about fifty miles, and that's over hills and through a forest so probably wouldn't be that practical. Sticking to a route with no elevation changes, no terrain obstacles, and already-existing infrastructure would be Inkodevna to Bolgasgrad via Zhanyka, which brings it up to a bit over a hundred miles. It'd mostly just take hard work which Kislev can do, but it's still no small project.

The impact would be fairly significant. Being able to bypass Marienburg to reach the Sea of Claws would be a big deal for the Empire, both economically and militarily. It would be a boon for the economy of Kislev, since it would put the capital city on the same river system as the other two major cities - boats are hugely more efficient than cattle-drawn carts and transloading is a pain. And it would make northern Kislev a lot more accessible from the Empire, which would build new economic and cultural connections between the two.
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Well, fuck, putting it that way does make it sound a lot more tempting...
 
Tobtorp said:
Hmm, word of boney is powerful shit.
Would it be very blatant if we ask the channel to be at least partially under the control of the EIC?
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I mean, wasn't the EIC a partner of the Blackwater Canal venture. Seems to me like we have both the expertise and manpower to supply. Perhaps in exchange for a trade charter allowing the EIC to expand in Kislev (ex : Gun and cannon factories, gong farming, etc.).
 
For context, the British Trent and Mersey Canal, AKA the Grand Trunk Canal, is just shy of 100 miles long, and took about ten years to build (Authorised by Act of Parliament in 1766, opened in 1777). I'm not sure how big the Black Water Canal is in comparison.

It's funny, actually. I used to work for the Canal and River Trust (formerly British Waterways), and it was the lowest point of my life. I hated the work and I had a manager who bullied me, it was a pretty miserable time for me. But you know, I'm in a better place now, and canals are pretty awesome.

Parabola said:
Really blatant, but we could probably swing 'hey give us permission to open a branch in Erengrad'.
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I'd be surprised if Wilhelmina doesn't jump on the opportunity herself.
 
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