Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
The crossbreeding between the SV Train Zombie Virus and the ASOIAF Canal Zombie Virus has had catastrophic consequences...Boney *prohibits trains*
Train zombies: "Canaaaalsss..."
Tasoli
Life is for Living
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- Behind the Keyboard.
We got minor favor from KaK we can throw in as our stake which would supply them expertise and they do have manpower as far as we know. So yeah.
As the person who proposed the idea of not only this canal but also the Rite of Way towers for Eonir I am perfectly content with the results.
Now I just one more tranportation idea for that trifecta and I can declare myself god of travelers heh.
I am thinking of zeppelins.
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The only things you need to make a canal is civil engineering and lots of manpower. The EIC can provide the civil engineering, and Kislev has plenty of manpower. Everything else is just digging.
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This seems overly fiddly to me. We can't actually promise the in-kind access either. I would just say "Canal linking the Urskoy and Lynsk".
The naval basing idea is also pretty good and I'd approval vote it.
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And permissive geography, of course.
Which boney said there was
If the geography isn't permissive enough, you haven't used enough dwarves.
Tasoli
Life is for Living
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- Behind the Keyboard.
[] [Blood] Empire (Build a cannal that connects Dwarf-Empire canal network to Erengard and Kislev City with pre-determined and resonable access prices for the Empire and Dwarven citizens)
Better?
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[] [Blood] Empire (Canal linking the Urskoy and Lynsk)
But there should be something about Empire being given access at least.
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[] [Blood] Empire (Canal linking the Urskoy and Lynsk with resonable access for the Empire and Dwarven military and trade)
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
We've also got an Imperial Great Deed to trade in if we want to try to get the Empire to help out on their end of the project.
It would probably take more if the end result didn't help address the Marienburg issue... But it does, and Kislev would also be in on it.
It's a mutually beneficial action for both our countries, and I think it would vitalize the economies involved in the long term rather than exsanguinating them to do something for us personally.
It would probably take more if the end result didn't help address the Marienburg issue... But it does, and Kislev would also be in on it.
It's a mutually beneficial action for both our countries, and I think it would vitalize the economies involved in the long term rather than exsanguinating them to do something for us personally.
Tasoli
Life is for Living
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- Behind the Keyboard.
Oh if thread would go for it I am all in on that. Lets use Empire Great deed. I just thought minor boon from KaK would be easier to spend and would get Dwarven experts so I went with that.
Maybe spend both? We can put it as our part of the price so we might end up owning half of the canals by the end.
"Bad landlord makes you a homeowner" is a saying for a reason I suppose.
Incidently when you write Homeowner there is a Meow in the middle. SEE HoMEOWner.
You are never going to unsee that, it is permenent now.
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- North Wales
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The canal itself wouldn't cross the border - it's connecting two rivers both within Kislev itself. This isn't to say that the Empire can't lend expertise or funds, just that there is no "their end" of the project like the Channel Tunnel unless we specifically make one.
I don't want to particularly spend two Premium CurrenciesTM on the same thing. I think just the Kislevian Blood Price is good enough.
could we?
If you guys get the canal at least spend the Dwarf or College favor for some help for the poor bloody peasants who have to dig the thing.
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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It's better but I don't see the point of the pre-determined and reasonable prices clause. The fact that prices float in response to demand is a feature, not a bug; if the canal becomes highly in demand and the Tzar is bound by honor to not raise prices, you get clogs, and Kislev suffers by not being able to charge what their canal is worth to the merchants.
Again, I would literally just say "link the Urskoy and Lynsk rivers."
what mainlining Ulgu does to a mf
You'd get whatever you requested to get, within reason. If you want to just point them in a general direction and ask them to make you a mystery box, you can do that, but you have to actually do that to find out what you'd get out of it.
This is what convinces me. Use everything, make this a big deal for allowing an Empire logistical train easy access to Kislev, give majority ownership to a Grey Wizard subsidiary company that exists to promote the Empire's interests, ensure the canal is as high-quality as we can make it by involving the Dwarfs in its construction, and guarantee it gets built by using the resulting canal as a river for the purposes of Tributary Waystones (thus ensuring Eltharion verbally backs the project, as it'll mean Ulthuan gets more magic juice, and it's a proof-in-concept of what he could do to help Yvresse recover faster from leftover Chaotic taint).
It satisfies everybody, makes a whole bunch of people rich over the long term, gets Kislev easier access to allied reinforcements in the case of a Great War, *and* helps decorrupt the Land.
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- Before the Ninth Gate
Short and simple should do it. Use this:
There's no need for the Empire/dwarves to have guaranteed access: that access benefits everyone so will be granted anyway. Just use the basic structure to build the canal, and it'll be fine.
Tasoli
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Oh that makes sense but military passage is rather important part of the idea and something Tzars in the future might want to deny. So is it fine to leave like that?
I am thinking this;
[] [Blood] Empire (Canal linking the Urskoy and Lynsk with priority access for the Empire and Dwarven military)
I am convinced. I suppose leaving it vague will be fine? Especially if we spend further favors to buy in a stake in the canals.
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Sure, theoretically. Include in the Blood Price a stipulation that the Empire part-owns the canal to be built. I don't think it's even slightly a good idea and it would dilute any Kislev-internal support of the project heavily to the point of it taking way longer to complete, but "ask for anything" includes anything.
pucflek
Verified simpleton
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If you think that a favour can somehow make a future Tzar a hundred years from now not close down the passageway if he wants then i dunno what to tell you except that maybe you should ask Laurelorn elves just how binding the pacts of mortal races are. Or Dwarves.
We are never going to get some kind of ironclad guarantee. Just build the damn thing. The benefits of it should be reason enough to not fool around with it.
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