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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Tobtorp said:
We do probably want to inform the emperor about the canals just so that the rivers can be made ready for increased traffic.
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True, I imagine some work across the rivers would bee needed to accomodate increased traffic. But I think that is below the abstraction of the quest. I trust Mathilde will see to it.
 
If we vote for the Canal, then she probably will have done that retroactively. The update notes that our choice accounts for necessary prepwork.

> If necessary, Mathilde would have retroactively laid any groundwork required off-screen.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
I suspect the DL Everchosen invasion might happen earlier than in canon, because the expedition kinda shook a few things up—most notably, the return of Vlag. I don't think it's a coincidence that we were first informed of the tournament shortly after returning from Dum.
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Alternatively, it might be that scheduling the everbowl is a bit like scheduling Game Night. All the fuss about who can make it, what days work, yada yada yada.

Sure, thus far it appears to be mostly 1v1 single elimination, but these are also people with a lot going on in their lives, and they're spread out over the whole planet and have to meet up for each match with no assistance from telecommunications to boot.
 
Tasoli said:
Using canals to reach Altdorf from Erengard via rivers is going to be safer than using Sea of Claws even thanks to a lack of pirates.
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The Empire riverways aren't completely clear of pirates- wreckers can make a fair bit of profit, and sometimes Orcs like to call themselves Kaptin and go plunderin', but if nothing else there will certainly be less Norscans.
 
Mopman43 said:
The Empire riverways aren't completely clear of pirates- wreckers can make a fair bit of profit, and sometimes Orcs like to call themselves Kaptin and go plunderin', but if nothing else there will certainly be less Norscans.
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I expect there is going to a lot of more investement in to the security of rivers and as they are smaller they should be easier to keep secure as well.
 
Honestly, I think establishing a permanent Kislev-Empire major naval hub is worth a combo of the Vlag-Boris favors. There's nothing I can think of that would be more intuitive (and frankly soothing for a bunch of dwarves that were trapped for years) than telling the Vlag Dwarves that what we want is for them to dig a really, really long tunnel aboveground.

I'm working on a writeup of a combo plan right now so we can have it in one place.
 
Tasoli said:
I expect there is going to a lot of more investement in to the security of rivers and as they are smaller they should be easier to keep secure as well.
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I mean the rivers are the lifeblood of the empire I don't suspect investment will raise that much just due to the fact they are prob investing what they reasonable can into that atm
 
TheBigMole said:
Boney mentioned previously that the Dwarves were also interested in creating riverine connections between their Holds and Karag Vlag was pretty much the only Hold left out. So they may be enticed to provide engineering expertise without us spending favor if we frame it as a closer connction to Karak Vlag
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could u theoretical even build a canal to them from one of kislev rivers or is the elevation incline too high?
 
Boney mentioned previously that the Dwarves were also interested in creating riverine connections between their Holds and Karag Vlag was pretty much the only Hold left out. So they may be enticed to provide engineering expertise without us spending favor if we frame it as a closer connction to Karak Vlag
Boney said:

More detailed map of Karak Vlag's links to the Karaz Ankor, including speculative canal links in purple.
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Edit: First did the post, then remembered the map, dsicovered you can't use multiquote when editing an existing post, reposted.
 
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I am firmly against using Vlag for canal digging. They have zero experience with canals, and if it truly is as simple as digging a really big ditch, then it is a waste of their talents. Would rather have runepokers reinforce Kislevian fortifications as much as they can stand, since that's something Kislevian cannot replicate with their peasantry.
 
Omegahugger said:
If there's anyone out there who're afraid that Kislev might not have the manpower to spare, I would like to remind people that Mathilde has access to nigh-unlimited manpower at her fingertips.
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So I understand the price savings involved, ...but would the earthmoving that results from summoning an army of undead to dig oversized ditches and dredge waterways cause it to count as "dirty deeds, done dirt cheap?"
 
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As for the Vlag bit, I'm pretty sure I want to keep that in order to get them to set up some sorta mountain based superweapon. That's the overwhelmingly likely mode of attack, and tossing a superweapon of some sort would do well to blunt a coming attack.
 
Well it does sound like the canal is everything I'd wanted, something that doesn't strictly cost Kislev, but a policy decision that can strengthen everyone that he probably wouldn't have done otherwise. The one reasonable worry is that this is a really expensive project, and could possibly interfere with the more urgent martial concerns, but I thiiiink this is still something worth pushing him into. Everybody wins except Marienburg.

Also yeah, just say "build this canal", we don't need to get specific, and I don't love adding nepotism to it. Knowing it's coming could be a big enough advantage.
 
picklepikkl said:
It's true, and there's an argument to be made that given the uncertainties it would be smarter to invest in defenses instead, but... I really like the thought of Kislev working on something that will help it grow. It's an optimistic statement, that they don't need to shovel everything into the furnace of bare survival and can actually invest in things that benefit them in peace as well as in war.

In the interest of getting it done ASAP and without beggaring Kislev, I would definitely spend other premium currencies to support this in the future, too, though now is not the time (our Vlag boon seems very relevant -- linking these rivers helps them, too, by lowering the costs of getting between Vlag and southern Kislev/the Empire).
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Sigh... I guess so. It's hard to get excited for a thing that will be acknowledged in the update it is introduced and then sporadically show up as a sentence or two over the next half decade only to maybe finish on time and have some kind of narrative meaning.
 
Woltaire said:
could u theoretical even build a canal to them from one of kislev rivers or is the elevation incline too high?
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TheBigMole said:
Boney mentioned previously that the Dwarves were also interested in creating riverine connections between their Holds and Karag Vlag was pretty much the only Hold left out. So they may be enticed to provide engineering expertise without us spending favor if we frame it as a closer connction to Karak Vlag
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so there are a couple river they could build too that aren't super far they undoubetly needed to be widen extended canal locks ect but this is dwarves we are talking about so not out of question
 
The Kislev Canal would also connect them to the Dwarven Canal -- which means a straight route down through the continent rather than having to sail by Norsca.

If we could get one more giga canal cut through the Marshes of Madness we could create a Fantasy Suez and ship straight to Cathay. Imagine the sheer economic upset. It wouldn't even be about Marienburg at that point.

Of course, it would take a Magister Lord to manage the issues of Greenskin swarms and all the awful monsters. Something to think about.
 
I'm going to be asleep when the vote opens.

but I think guaranteed military support for when we have to take Forest of Shadows (Brass Keep, Blood Fane, Tower of Melkhior) Nexuses is the best use of the Blood price.

its going to be a seriously hard campaign to get help for, so having help in the bag is good.
 
Also I would like to remind people we have a serious limitation on runic capstones and Vlag is one of the only large scale sources for that. If we do use the Vlag favor for this it would seriously harm the project. Dwarfs generally do not like to mass produce things, but that is just what the Project needs in this instance.
 
Talon TigerDino said:
I am firmly against using Vlag for canal digging. They have zero experience with canals, and if it truly is as simple as digging a really big ditch, then it is a waste of their talents. Would rather have runepokers reinforce Kislevian fortifications as much as they can stand, since that's something Kislevian cannot replicate with their peasantry.
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Abhorsen said:
As for the Vlag bit, I'm pretty sure I want to keep that in order to get them to set up some sorta mountain based superweapon. That's the overwhelmingly likely mode of attack, and tossing a superweapon of some sort would do well to blunt a coming attack.
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There is a minor KaK favor if it is just expertise we want. That should be just about right favor.

ChronOblivion said:
Well it does sound like the canal is everything I'd wanted, something that doesn't strictly cost Kislev, but a policy decision that can strengthen everyone that he probably wouldn't have done otherwise. The one reasonable worry is that this is a really expensive project, and could possibly interfere with the more urgent martial concerns, but I thiiiink this is still something worth pushing him into. Everybody wins except Marienburg.

Also yeah, just say "build this canal", we don't need to get specific, and I don't love adding nepotism to it. Knowing it's coming could be a big enough advantage.
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We can spend Great Deed to get Empire involved and split the cost that way. And once canal is done profits from it would split same way so everybody wins.
 
Looking at some maps of Kislev, it looks like both the upper and lower branches of the River Lynsk originate very close to the entrance to High Pass. A canal might be plausible there, and if we put it under the Redbeards leadership (so the Vlag dwarves don't have to go outside), then a port and market on the western end of High Pass seems very possible, and could easily grow to rival Uzkulak as a Silk Road trade centre.
 
Abhorsen said:
As for the Vlag bit, I'm pretty sure I want to keep that in order to get them to set up some sorta mountain based superweapon. That's the overwhelmingly likely mode of attack, and tossing a superweapon of some sort would do well to blunt a coming attack.
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Like, a Vlag version of the Eye of Gazul, or something similar? I'm not completely sure Kragg would agree to building another one, being busy as he always is, but even if he doesn't Thorek might, and I'm sure the Colleges would be onboard too for the right price. The Eye itself could be counterspelled, but if our own mages keep theirs busy we could wipe out armies at a time. Maybe we could cash in the Boon from the KaK Runesmiths?
 
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