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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Boney said:
I think perfect grammar would dictate it should use quotation marks, but that would require breaking it into a separate paragraph because it's a new speaker, which would slow down the pacing of that section. The fast pacing there is meant to convey the abrupt information dump that was inflicted on Mathilde.
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Pretty sure it's just an entirely legitimate instance of free indirect discourse? Not that it wouldn't be warranted to disregard a grammatical rule when it interferes with flow and isn't needed for clarity anyway, but I don't think that's even required here.
 
Redshirt Army said:
... I mean, reading the Liber Mortis unironically makes Mathilde a much worse Everchosen candidate for the Chaos Gods - it's a lot harder to hook someone on your supply of Show Them All Unlimited Power when they've got another dealer they can turn to if your demands get too onerous, after all.
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So you're saying that if we're ever afraid Chaos is getting it's hooks into Mathilde, we should just reread Abel's final gift to us, got it.

Maybe we should read Egrimm into it too just to be on the safe side.
 
Chaos Gods: Rebel against society, against civilization, against reality itself! Rebel against everything! Tear it all down and revel in Chaos.

Everchosen Mathilde: Rebels against the Chaos Gods.

Chaos Gods: no, not like that.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Chaos Gods: Rebel against society, against civilization, against reality itself! Rebel against everything! Tear it all down and revel in Chaos.

Everchosen Mathilde: Rebels against the Chaos Gods.

Chaos Gods: no, not like that.
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Well, no they'd love that. That was pretty much explicitly included as a thing they'd want Mathilde to do in the original Everchosen message.
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"Should you earn this world through right of conquest, your will here would be paramount. Not because you would be stronger than the Four, but because They want to see what you would do with it. They have worlds without counting where Their will becomes fact, and They have wrung every morsel of enjoyment out of such simple games. If you would take up the crown and with it make yourself the ultimate bulwark against Them, They would whisper and cajole and threaten and offer you every temptation to turn upon your wards, but every 'no' would be a rapturous novelty. All you'd need do to keep this world from their grasp is to stay true to your purpose. And is that not the founding purpose of your order? To be the 'no' in the darkness?"
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Sir_Travelsalot said:
On reflection, it might start to make more sense when one considers the most common enemies the State Troops fight are Orcs, Goblins and Beastmen, and barring the Morrite extremists who reckon every living thinking being ought to be interred upon death, I'd guess the legal and theological ramifications would be lessened by the trophy skulls being visibly not human (or elf, dwarf or halfling) in nature.

After all, the Skull Charm doesn't say anywhere in its description that they're human skulls...
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I can just bet animated orc skulls give the best advice.
 
Jakobstj said:
Well, no they'd love that. That was pretty much explicitly included as a thing they'd want Mathilde to do in the original Everchosen message.
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It was included in the pitch, yes, but whether they'd ACTUALLY love that is... not exactly guaranteed by it being included in the pitch. Once you do get into chaos it gets very very good at chipping away at the parts of you that cared about things other than chaos, so my assumption is they figure if they did actually grab up Mathilde, by the time Mathilde actually had the capability to start rebelling against the chaos gods, she wouldn't want to anymore.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
The Chaos Gods want us to play Their game, using Their rules, on Their terms (which is part of the big hypocrisy of Chaos).

Necromancy probably doesn't fit into Their design.
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They didn't mind it when it was Kemmler.

I don't think they care too much about the means and methods collectively (obviously each of them individually cares, Khorne especially), just as long as you are still 'playing with the devil's toys'. Sure, raise the dead in armies, but take the power from Chaos to do it.
 
@Boney What's Morrite policy on dealing with (clearly human) corpses dead under suspicious circumstances? Do they have a no-questions-asked deal because even criminals deserve a safe afterlife and asking questions makes their friends less likely to hand over the corpse in the first place, or do they do investigations/alert the relevant authorities?
 
StormySky said:
@Boney What's Morrite policy on dealing with (clearly human) corpses dead under suspicious circumstances? Do they have a no-questions-asked deal because even criminals deserve a safe afterlife and asking questions makes their friends less likely to hand over the corpse in the first place, or do they do investigations/alert the relevant authorities?
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It's not as though Morrites just immediately start digging the grave when a body arrives at their temple; there's a lot of preparation that goes into the cadaver itself (which also permits examination for members of the Fellowship of the Shroud, they tend to involve themselves in investigating mysterious deaths to ensure there was no vampire/ghoul/necromancer involvement).

As well, the Cult of Morr has a vested interest in making sure that the deceased have their worldly affairs sorted, because unfinished business like that tends to create ghosts; sure, they can be forcefully laid to rest, but it is rather more preferable to let them enter Morr's garden with more dignity than that.
 
Sir_Travelsalot said:
As well, the Cult of Morr has a vested interest in making sure that the deceased have their worldly affairs sorted, because unfinished business like that tends to create ghosts; sure, they can be forcefully laid to rest, but it is rather more preferable to let them enter Morr's garden with more dignity than that.
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I'm just imagining a priest forcing a skeleton back into the grave as it shrieks about how it's children are digging up its rose garden.
 
@Boney I'm reading through 2e's Sigmars's Heirs, and it has Averland's Marius Leitdorf be from several centuries ago with there having been no official Elector Count since his death, while on the wikis it says he is the Count in the modern day. Is this something 2e invented and should be disregarded, or is this the situation in DL?
 
dinomannitro6 said:
@Boney I'm reading through 2e's Sigmars's Heirs, and it has Averland's Marius Leitdorf be from several centuries ago with there having been no official Elector Count since his death, while on the wikis it says he is the Count in the modern day. Is this something 2e invented and should be disregarded, or is this the situation in DL?
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I think you're getting that confused with the last ruler of Solland, Count Eldred?

Sigmar's Heirs just takes place after Marius's death at the 3rd(?) Battle of Blackfire Pass, which hasn't happened yet.

(The book does have a(t least one) discontinuity with the quest, but that's that the pre-Karl Franz rulers of Averland were the Alptraums rather than the Leitdorfs, but here we already have Marius)
 
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dinomannitro6 said:
@Boney I'm reading through 2e's Sigmars's Heirs, and it has Averland's Marius Leitdorf be from several centuries ago with there having been no official Elector Count since his death, while on the wikis it says he is the Count in the modern day. Is this something 2e invented and should be disregarded, or is this the situation in DL?
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Boney put him on the list of Electors, so he's the current EC in DL.
Boney said:
Electors of the Empire:
Emperor and Grand Prince Luitpold von Holswig-Schliestein of Reikland
Grand Prince Maximillian von Königswald of Ostland
Grand Duke Boris X Todbringer of Middenland
Grand Duke Jurgen Feuerbach of Talabecland
Grand Count Marius Leitdorf of Averland
Grand Countess Roswita van Hal of Stirland
Grand Count Konstantin von Liebwitz of Wissenland
Grand Baroness Bernardine Ludenhof of Hochland
Grand Baron Werner Nikse of Nordland
Chancellor Wolfram Hertwig of Ostermark
Elder Hisme Stoutheart of Mootland
Grand Theogonist, based in Reikland
Arch-Lector, based in Talabecland
Arch-Lector, based in Wissenland
Ar-Ulric Carl Valgeir

Grand Theogonist and Arch-Lectors are currently unnamed. And yeah, be careful with 'I found a fact that is canon so it should be quest canon' because a lot of the times canon conflicts with itself, and I quite often have to choose between two things that are equally canonical but mutually exclusive.
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dinomannitro6 said:
@Boney I'm reading through 2e's Sigmars's Heirs, and it has Averland's Marius Leitdorf be from several centuries ago with there having been no official Elector Count since his death, while on the wikis it says he is the Count in the modern day. Is this something 2e invented and should be disregarded, or is this the situation in DL?
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Oh wait, I see the part you saw:
Their Elector, Marius Leitdorf, was killed in 2250 IC and no one claimant to the title has emerged.
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That's a typo, should be 2520.
 
StormySky said:
@Boney What's Morrite policy on dealing with (clearly human) corpses dead under suspicious circumstances? Do they have a no-questions-asked deal because even criminals deserve a safe afterlife and asking questions makes their friends less likely to hand over the corpse in the first place, or do they do investigations/alert the relevant authorities?
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The Cult of Morr has separate paupers' graveyards in major cities that they use for training up future priests, and the Order of the Shroud's main purpose is to find and give final rites to those that die in remote areas. In the absence of either of those, it's the business of anyone with a shovel that finds themselves feeling charitable.

dinomannitro6 said:
@Boney I'm reading through 2e's Sigmars's Heirs, and it has Averland's Marius Leitdorf be from several centuries ago with there having been no official Elector Count since his death, while on the wikis it says he is the Count in the modern day. Is this something 2e invented and should be disregarded, or is this the situation in DL?
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That's a typo. Marius died in 2520, at the Third Battle of Black Fire Pass. You can find a reference to him being 'two years in his grave' in 2e Realms of Sorcery, and 2e is set in 2522.
 
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Boney said:
There are very few ways to legitimately transfer ownership of a skull, because it's believed that they belong in a Garden of Morr with the rest of the body or they may not be able to properly pass on to the afterlife. The bones of Saints (or whatever the Warhammer term for them was) are okay to be used by other members of their faith, because their deeds mean that they earned a divine chauffeuring to the afterlife instead of needing the public transit system that Morr provides. Vampires aren't ever properly dead so keeping parts of them around isn't interfering with their ability to pass on, it's just preventing them from getting up to further trouble.

So if you've got a skull-based fashion accessory without a proper chain of custody for the skull then you're at best an accessory after the fact to desecration of a corpse.
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So plan #1 is for Mathilde to just not die, but as a backup plan, where would she want to send her skull?
 
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