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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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There is a plane of death described in the Liber Necris, overlaid over the world of the living but separate from it.

It's creepy as heck and deserves inclusion in most conceptions of the Warhammer Fantasy setting.
 
WFRP 4e: Winds of Magic, page 125, in the Lore of Death spells section
The suspicious dread is only exacerbated by the silent and sombre nature of Amethyst Wizards, who prefer to communicate with one another through telepathy, rather than speech, and whose little-used voices have tones more suited to the long-dead than the living.
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Looks like the plane of death got turned into the spirit-plane in the most recent edition of WFRP.

However, something puzzles me. In Shyish Student, another quest here on SV about an amethyst apprentice, it's established that members of the Amethyst Order speak to each other with telepathy, like what Winds of Magic says. However, I don't think Shyish Student started borrowing from 4e until well after the use of telepathy in Shyish Student was established. I've tried to find the source for that in Realms of Sorcery, but didn't find anything. Where did it come from?
 
Andres said:
In Shyish Student, another quest here on SV about an amethyst apprentice, it's established that members of the Amethyst Order speak to each other with telepathy, like what Winds of Magic says. However, I don't think Shyish Student started borrowing from 4e until well after the use of telepathy in Shyish Student was established. I've tried to find the source for that in Realms of Sorcery, but didn't find anything. Where did it come from?
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Agatha and Alise also do it in DoDA.
 
Derpmind said:
So plan #1 is for Mathilde to just not die, but as a backup plan, where would she want to send her skull?
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For morbid but practical, if you believe she'll get into some sort of afterlife fine due to her friendship with Ranald, donate Mathilde's skeleton to the Grey Order. I doubt you get more Ulgu infused than literally part of a Shadow Wizard.

BurnNote said:
It's just spitballing, but I'd guess it ultimately traces back to Nekharan burial rites, where there was not danger in keeping the bodies, but potentially real economic or military benefit. Not to mention that the business of building necropoli was lucrative.
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Codex said:
For the Nehkharans, it makes complete sense why they keep the dead. Their spellcasting is based on bringing the souls of those in the afterlife and connecting them back to their previous mortal shell, typically the bones they had, because there remains a connection between soul and body. Morr wants the exact opposite of that though.
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Nehekhara does mummification entirely because Settra wanted to be immortal and rule the world. Like, he told the Priests of Nehekhara to make him immortal and when they couldn't do that they convinced him that they would eventually be able to resurrect him in shiny immortal form eventually, so they'd preserve his body really well. And every King after him basically just copied him. They treat death as a form of stasis and it's not (originally) religious or practical (there's no mention of Nehekhara actually raising the dead until after Nagash IIRC) it's literally just the desire of one guy.
 
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Mopman43 said:
Agatha and Alise also do it in DoDA.
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Maybe I'm mistaken, given I've never read any Warhammer book nor done that much wiki-diving…
But isn't the Purple wind interacting with Souls moreso than death? Admittedly Necromancy giving a lot of soul-manipulation Magic a bad rap/umbrella to fall under certainly screws the Amethyst Collage's ability to get into Servant fights with the Golds…
Well.
I say that but then I recall the Twins having those big purple snakes with them and well, we can't ignore Mathilde waiting with her Dammerlichtrier right there…
But I digress!
The point was, a Wind concerned with Souls should be able to do say, a thing to have the soul blink or light up or otherwise emit signals that another Soul could be trained to receive and interpret, likely involved in things like speaking to the dead, which in turn…
Telepathy.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
Nehekhara does mummification entirely because Settra wanted to be immortal and rule the world. Like, he told the Priests of Nehekhara to make him immortal and when they couldn't do that they convinced him that they would eventually be able to resurrect him in shiny immortal form eventually, so they'd preserve his body really well. And every King after him basically just copied him. They treat death as a form of cyrogenesis and it's not (originally) religious or practical (there's no mention of Nehekhara actually raising the dead until after Nagash IIRC) it's literally just the desire of one guy.
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Well, they did get some use out of the forays into the soul, given how much of their War Statuary is powered/controlled by one kind of soul or another.
 
Voikirium said:
Wiki also likes jumping on the USS Make Shit Up and the USS 30 Years of Development Don't Matter
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Oh, yes, the legendary masterworks from the shipyards of Fort Bullshit, Tennessee. :V
chocolote12 said:
It was a detail in first edition that got phased out with second edition's stricter limitations on casting.
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I am certain I've read it in non- RPG stuff somewhere. Storm of Chaos? Monstrous Arcanum? I even recall referencing it in one of WHFB quests. If anyone is interested but can't look it up themselves, remind me in about 12 hours.
 
Question about death plane and that sort of thing
How cannon is age of sigmar to fantasy? (not the events that take place but worldbuilding facts )(like how gork and mork were one god at one point(gorkamorka))

because plane of death could be a thing in fantasy if Aos magic planes are cannon
 
HypotenuseKnight said:
Question about death plane and that sort of thing
How cannon is age of sigmar to fantasy? (not the events that take place but worldbuilding facts )(like how gork and mork were one god at one point(gorkamorka))

because plane of death could be a thing in fantasy if Aos magic planes are cannon
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As far as I'm aware that's all stuff that post dates Fantasy's last major lore additions before the revival that happened recently. I'm not as tied into Fantasy lore though so I could be incorrect.
 
HypotenuseKnight said:
Question about death plane and that sort of thing
How cannon is age of sigmar to fantasy? (not the events that take place but worldbuilding facts )(like how gork and mork were one god at one point(gorkamorka))

because plane of death could be a thing in fantasy if Aos magic planes are cannon
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Generally not at all, but there are certain Daemons in AoS that might get ported back to Fantasy in modern material because Chaos doesn't care about trivial things like "timeline consistency". Soul Grinders are a highly technological breed of Daemon that doesn't belong in Fantasy, I'm pretty sure it's a 40k unit, but they were ported over to Fantasy anyway.
 
The Chaos lore book straight up has illustrations of chaos space marines, chain axes and tanks in it, despite being an in-universe Fantasy text. They are captioned as the works of an insane artist who claimed to have seen them in fevered nightmares.
 
Non sequitur: Long in the future when Mathilde is dead and gone and Alkahest escapes and revives, it'd be hilarious if Mathilde's possession of the Liber Mortis was known (to at least some degree) and he suddenly realizes that our deflection of his offer wasn't just bravado or banter but literally true:

Boney said:
"I don't suppose you're at all tempted by the arts of necromancy?" he asks, as casually as if he was offering you a drink at a bar - but he remains poised to act and his severed fingers are skittering across the floor to rejoin the rest of him.

"I've had better offers," you respond.
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Boney said:
He smiles. "I'm a Vampire. Sure, you'll keep a close eye on my remains. Will your children? Your children's children? For me, tomorrow will be a new world, full of new beasts and new magics and people that have forgotten what I can do."
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No, the funniest timeline is that he emerges in a world where Mathilde is an immortal horror who is quite ready to smack him down again.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
The Chaos lore book straight up has illustrations of chaos space marines, chain axes and tanks in it, despite being an in-universe Fantasy text. They are captioned as the works of an insane artist who claimed to have seen them in fevered nightmares.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's at least one entry detailing wizards getting in fights with chaos marines while astral projecting into the warp. GW loves putting easter eggs of 40k in Fantasy.
 
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