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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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ArcanaVitae said:
[x] Yes
This is something I'm surprised Mathilde hasn't done earlier to be honest. It's the pragmatic choice practicality wise even if it's morally questionable.
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I would never have voted for doing this without the added impetus that Boris is going to do it one way or another.

At a minimum, if we didn't know that Boris was prepared for taking over, it'd be possible that we'd unintentionally fuck with his succession.
 
Metagaming tells me that Boris does pretty well as a leader. That said I don't think we've ever met Vladimir and at this point all that's happened is he hasn't gone full hog onto bringing a bunch of magic rocks that haven't proven themselves yet into the land.

There's really no reason to assume that Boris will be better at getting everyone to cooperate and make a better defense against Chaos other than metagaming and him saying he's better at it. I also won't be forced into the choice by him saying he'll do it anyway and worrying about him cocking it up, if that was the case better to just kill Boris since he's the one threatening to screw up Kislev.

[X] No
 
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[X] Yes

This fundamentally isn't about a vote about whether to kill Tzar Vladimir, or if he needs to or deserves to die just for being incompetent. It's about how exactly he's getting killed (or him somehow managing to off Boris if he crits several times in a civil war), and how much damage that's going to cause along the way.

I really do wish there was a better way, but we aren't exactly being given all the wiggle room here.
 
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Double check that this is actually the prince and not some manner of changeling then tell him something vague before you begin your investigation into the tzar and those around him/ scoping out the target and considering your actions. This seems fairly blatant but chaos bruh... \~( ~⁶~_≠_⅖~ )~~@$#%/
 
MightyMutt said:
Double check that this is actually the prince and not some manner of changeling then tell him something vague before you begin your investigation into the tzar and those around him/ scoping out the target and considering your actions. This seems fairly blatant but chaos bruh... \~( ~⁶~_≠_⅖~ )~~@$#%/
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Boney said:
The apparatus of state communications is pretty secure, and both the Erengrad gate guards and the Streltsi are helping make this meeting happen. Between that and Mathilde's Magesight, due diligence can be considered done: this is Boris.
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If we fuck this up it could cripple the Waystone project and irreparably damage our standing in the Karaz Ankor. But this is a matter that is bigger than our reputation or the Waystone project, so I think it takes priority, even aside from the massive help it could give the Waystone project.

[X] Yes
 
Well, dhar is so horrible that it's hard to say the ends don't justify the means. Especially when Kislev is one heartbeat away from getting tributaries. Then you throw in the fact that the prince is so focused on protecting Kislev from chaos that he's willing to start a civil war....

[x] Yes
 
WorldSlayer said:
Metagaming tells me that Boris does pretty well as a leader. That said I don't think we've ever met Vladimir and at this point all that's happened is he hasn't gone full hog onto bringing a bunch of magic rocks that haven't proven themselves yet into the land.

There's really no reason to assume that Boris will be better at getting everyone to cooperate and make a better defense against Chaos other than metagaming and him saying he's better at it. I also won't be forced into the choice by him saying he'll do it anyway and worrying about him cocking it up, if that was the case better to just kill Boris since he's the one threatening to screw up Kislev.

[X] No
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It's a relatively well established fact in-setting that a force with magic users is going to defeat a similarly sized force without them, and in the Battle of Shirokij, Vladimir refused to acknowledge his primary source of magic users in the Ice Witches, and formed his battle plan without taking them into account. Contrast that with what we saw from Boris in the same battle, and it's not a close contest.

In character, it makes perfect sense for Mathilde to prefer the guy who can work with magic users to the one who can't, and while normally that's not quite enough to warrant assassination, signs of an impending Chaos invasion tilts the calculus on needing competent leaders in place.
 
It occurs to me that the ones who would actually blacklist us at this point if they found out would be Brettonia. Like, regicide? Thanks but no thanks, we have borders to keep you well away from our king.

DragonParadox said:
Hey now Mathide has more complex principles than that. It goes:

Fuck Vampires!
Ranald is bestest!
Fuck Chaos!
Yay Dorfs!
Fuck orcs!
BÖÖK!
Teclis Sempai!
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Panoramia cute and fascinating!
Eike precious!

deathofrats0808 said:
Probably running various businesses. A lot of positions in the Empire are filled by nobles, regardless of whether they're the best individual for the job.
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You want the diplomacy 30 guy? Look for the one running a nice-ish tavern in an area with a lot of mercenaries and not many guards is my bet.

Or the big city fences.

Erandil said:
I have to say the idea of a Wizard, even a high ranking one, being expected to single-handedly to decide wether to assinate the head of a neighbouring non hostile, sometimes even allied, power is severely immersion breaking to me and a really insane political stance
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Personally, I like it? It strips away the layer of sending it up the chain and then having to choose whether or not to obey orders. Because ultimately it's the same choice, do it or don't, but the vibes of getting dubious orders are much different than being an empowered agent. I like the second better, because it is harder and more direct and more consequential.

NavySeel said:
Yeah totally non-Necromantic... but maybe... :whistle:
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Schroeder's corpse.
 
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[X] Yes

Its interesting that we keep voting even though there is a 95% vote margin.
 
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Erandil said:
I have to say the idea of a Wizard, even a high ranking one, being expected to single-handedly to decide wether to assinate the head of a neighbouring non hostile, sometimes even allied, power is severely immersion breaking to me and a really insane political stance.
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Glau said:
Personally, I like it?
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It has historical precedent. In a situation like Warhammer Fantasy, where you both have restrictive travel and communication times, as well as brewing international crises that require an immediate response on the scale of Chaos, Orcs, Necromancy, etc, it seems very reasonable for Lord Magisters (as well as other high noblity, high priests, etc) to be effectively given plenipotentiary powers when it comes to decisions that are within their area of expertise, rather than those powers being restricted only to distant governors and diplomats.
 
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