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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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BurnNote said:
He has. Boris got to form the Kreml guard, for example. But for somethings, you need more authority. You need to be the final word.
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He hasn't delegated nearly enough and could have delegated a lot more. Like, look at the Waystone Project...Boris would very explicitly approve it if possible, but Vlad won't let him. That's a great example of how he's still actively being obstructionist on many matters.
 
Parabola said:
...It occurs to me that this would be the third person who we would be helping become the leaders of their respective kingdoms. Belegar, Heidi, and now Boris.

...Incidentally, I wonder who Marrisith's successor is, if she has one.
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I feel obligated to remind people that the Prophecy of Demise is in a notoriously contrary language.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
I know everyone's decided that asking for books as payment is a bit gauche, but...

I think there's a compelling argument to be made that Kislev in particular could really stand to benefit from KAU's mandate to copy all of their books. This is a country that periodically faces down Everchosen and gets its cities razed, such that they have to build up again each time - wouldn't it be better if they could start that rebuilding with copies of all their lost libraries available at the safest library in the world?

I'm not saying that this is a better pick than mandating male magic users get sent to the Empire without exception, but if the deal explicitly included the right of Kislev to get copies of those books back whenever they're lost, I think it'd honestly really help them out. I can't think of a better example of KAU's explicit goal of preserving libraries through disasters.

We could make a deal where Mathilde says she's going to come around in 2 years or so to make that case, and that Boris will be so "convinced" of this argument with the threat of an Everchosen approaching he'll agree to all of the libraries, ever.

Yes, I want all of the Kislev books - but Praag was lost entirely and all of its works with it. The Fire Spire's books are only potentially not lost by an incredible coincidence. What if Praag falls again? What if the Everchosen makes it further south next time? There's no northern dwarves to harry them from the rear, now. Kislev stands to lose so much, loses so much every time, and this would help with that.
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Plus, while it would be less suspicion on Mathilde specifically, having male magic users sent south would still put suspicion on the colleges being involved, and the Grey has a reputation, as Boris said.
 
Parabola said:
...It occurs to me that this would be the third person who we would be helping become the leaders of their respective kingdoms. Belegar, Heidi, and now Boris.

...Incidentally, I wonder who Marrisith's successor is, if she has one.
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We are training for very peculiar target.

Because you see the question is not who is Marrisiths successor is. The question is, who is Morathis successor!

What...

Did you think I was going to say somebody else?
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
He hasn't delegated nearly enough and could have delegated a lot more. Like, look at the Waystone Project...Boris would very explicitly approve it if possible, but Vlad won't let him. That's a great example of how he's still actively being obstructionist on many matters.
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The Boyars are very much a problem for the project, not the Tsar alone. Boris flat out says that if it was seen as a Kislevite project he could get the resources but it's not, so the Boyars won't help and the Tsar isn't willing to (by implication) fight them over it.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
The Boyars are very much a problem for the project, not the Tsar alone. Boris flat out says that if it was seen as a Kislevite project he could get the resources but it's not, so the Boyars won't help and the Tsar isn't willing to (by implication) fight them over it.
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Tzar himself is not convinced that Waystone project is neede in the first place. It is not just the boyars Boris (Brois?) was tripped by by his word on this update.
 
I have to say the idea of a Wizard, even a high ranking one, being expected to single-handedly to decide wether to assinate the head of a neighbouring non hostile, sometimes even allied, power is severely immersion breaking to me and a really insane political stance. It practically makes their wizard lords more powerful as well as trusted than the entire rest of the imperial bureaucracy, even the elector counts, which goes against pretty much the entire established lore of Warhammer.

Killing foreign heads of state is one of the most direct shaping of foreign policy there is and the central authority losing control of such an activity is what we generally would associate with severe disfunction or failed states.


Like I get the gameplay reason for that as the most likely result would just be to avoid responsibility which is a boring vote but this way of implementing such an restriction is pretty stupid in my eyes.
 
thisisinsane said:
Sorry, it was Night prowler. For some reason I thought it was protector.
That actually makes me really uneasy that he would ask someone who he worked with once to assassinate his dad with no other testament to our character.

[X] No

Edit: Ninja
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He's familiar enough with magic users to have some idea how insane using Rite of Way from the capital to the border seems while not knowing any of the specific things about it and us that turn it into a strictly routine thing to do under normal conditions.

Look at Panoramia's reaction to our chain casting, or the Metalsmith's Guild apocrypha story for some idea of how that looks from the outside.


Then after apparently heavily risking our soul to move him and his troops, the reward we asked for was help punching chaos in the dick. Twice.


If he's had Kislev's spies and diplomats dig into us, it probably only looks more and more like Mathilde is a kindred soul. Maybe even to the point of thinking that if he is wrong to do this as he worries, Mathilde may take the step to shut him down as hard as needed.


And again I post at the exact right time to respond to someone else. That's two nickels so far.
 
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Erandil said:
I have to say the idea of a Wizard, even a high ranking one, being expected to single-handedly to decide wether to assinate the head of a neighbouring non hostile, sometimes even allied, power is severely immersion breaking to me
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From the start of the quest Boney always made point about the importance of being the man on the ground and how we can't go running back to our superiours in many stiuations over and over again.

IF after 14445 pages it is just now that you are realising this how Empire works in this quest, this is on you mate.
 
Erandil said:
I have to say the idea of a Wizard, even a high ranking one, being expected to single-handedly to decide wether to assinate the head of a neighbouring non hostile, sometimes even allied, power is severely immersion breaking to me and a really insane political stance. It practically makes their wizard lords more powerful as well as trusted than the entire rest of the imperial bureaucracy, even the elector counts, which goes against pretty much the entire established lore of Warhammer.

Killing foreign heads of state is one of the most direct shaping of foreign policy there is and the central authority losing control of such an activity is what we generally would associate with severe disfunction or failed states.


Like I get the gameplay reason for that as the most likely result would just be to avoid responsibility which is a boring vote but this way of implementing such an restriction is pretty stupid in my eyes.
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I mean.. say you are Volans or whoever the first head of the Grey College was. Why would you not set up a system where the most trusted of your wizards are in some ways more powerful than Elector Counts for specific situations at least? Yes yes the need for secrecy is a good reason to give if Magnus ever asks you about it but at the end of the day why should the nobility of the Empire have more of a say than wizards? Their wondrous pedigree of inbreeding? You are already burying this stuff so deep that it is impossible to find it by non-magical means and you have all of the magic.

Giving the College all the power is too obvious and too much of a risk if the Emperor starts asking questions with a witch hunter in tow, but if your half a dozen LMs slowly reshape policy over the generations, each a deniable paranoid super-agent, well failures are marked as rogues and successes... succeed.
 
Tasoli said:
From the start of the quest Boney always made point about the importance of being the man on the ground and how we can't go running back to our superiours in many stiuations over and over again.

IF after 14445 pages it is just now that you are realising this how Empire works in this quest, this is on you mate.
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Lack of quick communication means it's basically a necessity for almost all nations in Warhammer to operate that way, in fact; there's no calling back to home base for instructions or answers unless you're willing to wait weeks or even months for a reply. Those who have authority given to them are expected to have the knowledge and judgement to use it.
 
NSMS said:
Lack of quick communication means it's basically a necessity for almost all nations in Warhammer to operate that way, in fact; there's no calling back to home base for instructions or answers unless you're willing to wait weeks or even months for a reply. Those who have authority given to them are expected to have the knowledge and judgement to use it.
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To be fair we have a dwarf Gyro, we could call home within a few days and we back no problem, we just don't want to and none of our peers are going to make us.
 
Erandil said:
I have to say the idea of a Wizard, even a high ranking one, being expected to single-handedly to decide wether to assinate the head of a neighbouring non hostile, sometimes even allied, power is severely immersion breaking to me and a really insane political stance. It practically makes their wizard lords more powerful as well as trusted than the entire rest of the imperial bureaucracy, even the elector counts, which goes against pretty much the entire established lore of Warhammer.
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If asked officially, every single person ranking above us would say that it is absolutely not expected of Lord Magisters to decide that and any that do so have gone rogue.
 
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While considering what the other nobles responsible for guiding state policy might want is important, we're also a high ranking noble that guides state policy.

It's important to consider that we're not actually separate from the internal constellations of Imperial Politics or anything; to be stuck in traffic is to become traffic.
 
Woltaire said:
FTFY
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I thought about Everchosen, but then it would be really awkward when we had to get around to destroying Kislev, you know? Wouldn't be our proudest moment there...

Our Greater Daemon of Tzeentch stalker chicken buddy would probably be laughing his ass off though. Arrange for a mortal to sacrifice her own morals to strengthen an ally to lead them further down the path to corruption, then have to turn around and deal with the very ally they strengthened? Classic.

Edit: Also, something I actually wanted to bring up (and if it has already I'm sorry I'm working through like 15 pages right now), what religions and priests are currently available in Kislev? I recall a mention that one of the major religious powers was more or less wiped out in the last Everchosen war, but do the other gods not have their own casters?

I've seen pointed out he would have no magical defences as he hates Hag and Ice Witches, but if Kislev still has faith casters I would expect the Tsar to have at least an empowered priest or two around as anti-magical defence. Especially because he hates Hag and Ice Witches.

I'm still for assassination, I'm just sceptical whether our 'bypass defences not specifically targeted against magic' ability would actually apply here.
 
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[X] Yes

I still want it to make it painless and not humiliating, if possible. The Tsar may need to die, but he does not deserve to die in a bad way. This will probably be what matters the most to me when we plan the actual deed. I won't go for mockery of death + asphyxiation combo, for example, that sounds horrid.
 
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