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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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mathymancer said:
It was a cheeky way of answering the question "who figured out Mathilde's bluff". No one did, there's no reason to think Mathilde doesn't know anything about Waystones (although come to think of it she did outright admit it to the Lights, so at least they know - though maybe she was lying to them, you know how those Greys are).
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Ah, sorry. Missed that you were responding to a specific thing.
 
CeBrudras said:
That quote actually makes me a bit sad. The Project has been fun, but that hype part of the premise kinda fell flat. Things have been going so well that the bluff hasn't been prominent in the narrative at all.
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Nah, the hype is there if we just consider Mathilde's knowledge rather than wider collegiate lore.

She knew basically nothing about Waystones yet she drew out knowledge from the other Orders, from Kislev, from the Hedgewise and even from the Dawi and the Eonir - all whilst seeming incredibly knowledgeable ('The cunning beings in silver ships...' flex was particularly good - it even got one of the most knowledgeable elves alive, Hatalath, to wonder what exactly Mathilde truly knows).
 
Fouredged Sword said:
The best part is if we can work out some form of "cooperation" cantrip that we can translate to be powered by any wind we could make it WORK!
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Actually, in the RPG, the way that the Lights are able to do the thing with their Choirs is that there's a Lesser Magic spell called Link, which appropriately enough links users of the same Lore. It's also noted to be particularly difficult as far as Lesser Magic goes, and only known by the Order of Light and some Ulrican temples.

Just because this is Lesser Magic doesn't mean other Lores could learn it - Hysh in particular has very heavy associations with harmony, and everyone knows that wolves hunt in packs so it makes sense that some Ulricans know how to do this.

Maaaybe the Jades could learn it, given their associations with growth and possibly if you apply a metaphor along the lines of 'you cant have a forest without individual trees', but I have a hard time seeing the other Winds as capable of managing it. And a multi-Wind version feels right out.

ReImagined said:
We first entered Laurelorn in 2487 on Turn 35, and it's 2490.5 now. So it's either already happened, or about to happen.
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IIRC Boney said that it happened at some point after we arrived and that Kadon 'crushed it'. He is really good at what he does.
 
Parabola said:
Actually, in the RPG, the way that the Lights are able to do the thing with their Choirs is that there's a Lesser Magic spell called Link, which appropriately enough links users of the same Lore. It's also noted to be particularly difficult as far as Lesser Magic goes, and only known by the Order of Light and some Ulrican temples.

Just because this is Lesser Magic doesn't mean other Lores could learn it - Hysh in particular has very heavy associations with harmony, and everyone knows that wolves hunt in packs so it makes sense that some Ulricans know how to do this.

Maaaybe the Jades could learn it, given their associations with growth and possibly if you apply a metaphor along the lines of 'you cant have a forest without individual trees', but I have a hard time seeing the other Winds as capable of managing it. And a multi-Wind version feels right out.


IIRC Boney said that it happened at some point after we arrived and that Kadon 'crushed it'. He is really good at what he does.
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So you are saying we need to go to Teclis and challenge him to create a qhaysh version, one we can rote learn the pieces of so that 8 magisters can make it work without first having the link...

EDIT - Or, alternatively, the Light wizard in the group works out a not lesser magic version of the spell that connects people beyond just using light magic and everyone else in the group just gets good enough at windherding to be able to cast their respective wind while under that spell without creating dhar.
 
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What needs to be done is introducing Laurelorn athletes to Carnival style of wrestling. So that in 200 years Kadoh will take the name Kadoh Suplex who wrestles in the ring wearing a massive Laurelorn flag.
 
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Tobtorp said:
Kadoh is iirc not seen as a major player... He's the champion but that is because he ignores everything not muscle related.
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He deliberately doesn't get involved, but he's seen as having Asuryan's favour for winning IIRC, so he does have a lot of soft power he's choosing not to use. It's not a huge statement, but being friends with Johan not seeing Asuryan "withdraw" that favour's not nothing, either.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
He deliberately doesn't get involved, but he's seen as having Asuryan's favour for winning IIRC, so he does have a lot of soft power he's choosing not to use. It's not a huge statement, but being friends with Johan not seeing Asuryan "withdraw" that favour's not nothing, either.
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That is a fair point... But also it's Johan... The muscle wizard, punch god supreme, he who flexes shiny and chrome.
That's right up kadohs alley.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
He deliberately doesn't get involved, but he's seen as having Asuryan's favour for winning IIRC, so he does have a lot of soft power he's choosing not to use. It's not a huge statement, but being friends with Johan not seeing Asuryan "withdraw" that favour's not nothing, either.
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And I imagine the isolationists are going to pull out all the stops to topple him.
 
Okay so I'm just thinking about Teclis's reactions to the various stuff Mathilde has done or been involved in. I'll divide it into Publicly Known, Stuff Teclis's would get told about, Teclis could Learn with enough Digging, and Teclis is probably never going to learn about this. Keep in mind this is my personal read of things.

Publicly Known
Lady Magister of the Grey Order: Mathilde is a very powerful and influential member of an organization Teclis himself made. She's helping not only the Empire but also other races and countries. She's basically everything he wanted out of creating the Colleges and he would be really proud/smug because of that.

Knight of Stirland: Quirk that's surprising given the nature of the Grey Order but overall a minor consideration.

Waagh and Peace: I think that Teclis would really enjoy this book. It's a interesting and practical work made by a College Wizard and it's proff that he was right about humanity's ability to contribute to magical knowledge.


Dwarf Stuff: I don't think he intended for a Wizard to become on honorary Dwarf, so amused surprise would be his first reaction to all of the shenanigans she's gotten into. But Mathilde is helping the forces of Order and the world at large so in his books that's a good thing. She's also done a crazy amount to help out the Dwarves which shows why he was right to believe in humanity's potential. There is also likely a bit of fascination there given that in the good old days Dwarves and Elfs cooperated to pull off some really interesting stuff. He'd likely try and see if he can learn something even indirectly from what Mathilde has learned.


Stuff He'd Get Briefed On
Orbs: Surprise and pride given these are pretty tricky to make and it's one of the things the Colleges have been trying to figure out since their creation.

Liminal Realm: Pride given it's basically the penultimate mystery he left to the Grey Order and they finally figured it out.

Aethyric Vitae: Hard to say given we don't know if he used AV to pull off Orbs or Liminal Realms but I think he'd be impressed with how much Mathilde has learned from it.

Queekish: Wizards aren't just magical nukes and nerds, they're also scholars and this is proof of that. This is a major victory for the Empire and forces of Order, and he'd be pretty happy a College Wizard was the one who pulled it off.

Branarhune: I think with the creation of this Mathilde would get mentally slotted into his mind as a LoreMaster since she's pretty much the closest a human can get to the Elven version of that.

Library: I think he'd approve behind the motives behind the Library being made. He'd also probably be curious and amused by both the We and Cython. Same with Mathilde's habit of asking for books as a reward for doing stuff.

Dragon Friend: Mathilde knows Arsenil and Deathfang which is interesting but ultimately not super important in comparison to everything else she's doing. Her being neighbors and friends with Cython is far more intriguing since Cython serves as a psuedo mentor/study buddy for the Wind Ascension which Teclis pioneered. It's possible Wind Dragons inspired him to teach humans the way he did.

Windsage: Mathilde's Windsight is very good for a human, he'd probably get some Volans nostalgia for a moment or two.

Windherder: The path to humans being able to wield High Magic, or at least as close as they can get to doing so. Teclis would be really interested in this and seeing the progress that has been mad towards trying to let humans uses High Magic.

Waystone: We saw his initial reaction to it in the interlude. He was full of having a "Dad is proud of his kids". I think he'd be impressed with the amount of people and traditions Mathilde has wrangled onto the Project.

Stuff He Could Learn By Digging Into It:
Shareholder: Slightly surprised given the whole Vow Of Poverty thing but it's ultimately a way for Mathilde to get information so I think he'd more be impressed by just how diversified her interests are.


Dhar Insight: I think he'd be a little suspicious if he saw Mathilde's understanding of Dhar but she has reasonable explanations and more impporantatly hasn't used or been corrupted by it which is what I imagine Teclis would place the most importance on.

Ranald: Teclis didn't really intend for the Colleges to be religious so I imagine he'd be a little surprised at just how tight Mathilde and Ranald are. Teclis would likely know that Ranald is the Human version of the Dancer so he'd likely just be amused at the poetic irony of it all.

Avatar: Mathilde got this by running a god's pockets so I imagine Teclis would be really surprised by how well Mathilde can sense the Divine anhow she got it.

Divine Research: The scholar in him would be really interested in the study of the Divine and there's also the fact that Mathilde has access to some really interesting insights into the topic.

Wind Ascension: This end of the road Teclis put the Colleges on. He'd be so hyped to learn about it and for Mathilde to pull it off. It comes with the extra bonus of making his students immortal which is a win.

Stuff He'll Probably Never Learn ABOUT:
Necromancy: I don't think the dude who made the Articles would be really happy with Mathilde breaking them like she did in regards to Necromancy. Though it would likely be tempered by the fact she doesn't use Necromancy and when the Ulgu version of it popped up she didn't try to learn how to use it.

EverChosen Candidate: Teclis would be really fucking concerned since EverChosen are a big deal. But he's smart enough to know Mathilde would never go for it.

Summary:
I think Teclis would really like Mathilde because she proves his choice to create the Colleges right. Mathilde in her short years on the world has done more good for the world than most Elf mages do in their entire lives. Liking her as a person would come latter and with time. They'd be on the same level of Wizard vibes though since the Colleges had to have gotten it from somewhere.
 
ArcanaVitae said:
Dwarf Stuff: I don't think he intended for a Wizard to become on honorary Dwarf, so amused surprise would be his first reaction to all of the shenanigans she's gotten into. But Mathilde is helping the forces of Order and the world at large so in his books that's a good thing. She's also done a crazy amount to help out the Dwarves which shows why he was right to believe in humanity's potential. There is also likely a bit of fascination there given that in the good old days Dwarves and Elfs cooperated to pull off some really interesting stuff. He'd likely try and see if he can learn something even indirectly from what Mathilde has learned.
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Don't forget one-upping him and figuring out what happened to Vlag, and then pulling Vlag out of the Realm of Chaos.
 
Boney said:
If Chaos is stirring faster than expected and turning an early Thirteenth to the same warpath as the Twelfth, then that would result in an uptick in energy through Northwatch very much like what the previous report showed, and should also be found in the reports from the Sea of Claws and Erengrad... but no. The figures are up slightly from the last time they were gauged, but much less so than those from Northwatch. They only show the same proportionate increase that is coming through Rokhame and Whitefire Tor, enough to start keeping a cautious eye on the north, but nowhere near so much as to start mustering armies. The extra energy arriving from the Empire is proportionately much larger than these, and cannot be solely attributed to the general waxing in the energies of Chaos.
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Oh hey. I'm reading this as an Unknown Unknown reason for why starting with Stirland, an empire province, turned out to be better than beelining for Kislev.

Glau said:
Of course it's the green journeymen that actually get spotted. Grey Lords, Runelords, and Lord Magisters huddling for years on this, and the thing that the elves actually pick up on is the lowrank dorks doing the grunt work.

Good cadence in the rituals though. Once a day? Solid.
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Yeah that's honestly legit impressive. Imma gonna commit heresy and say they deserve to be around to share in any potential ElfDad headpats. (except it might require Boney to come up with three bit characters that'd never pop up again so nv)

mathymancer said:
My one problem with this completely plausible future scenario is that I don't know what title to give Khaine.
a sword from a dipshit?
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Other people have come up with much more poetic ways, but I'm fond of a sword hewn from salt
 
@ArcanaVitae I think that Teclis would notice Knight of Stirland quite well since that is where we choose to put the first line of tributaries. From the outside Mathilde looks almost as interested in Stirland as she does in dwarfs, it is not like he would know about our little hiccup in the Roswita relationship

Another interesting connection that I do not think most would make is in the fact that Mathilde has a lover who is a Jade and she helped make a Tributary based on the Belthani model. He might guess incorrectly that Panorania is how we got into that

Lastly I think that he would be very interested in the Dhar Be-Gone belt. I mean yes the sword is impressive, but it is mostly just a means to introduce our enemies to edged mental, by contrast the belt is if not a casting aid, at least a casting safety-line.
 
I like to imagine Teclis is deliberately sending letters off to very specific Elves to cause as much chaos as possible, so that the response is as delayed as possible to give us more time while he can't be accused of delaying.

Though, truth be told, from what I've read of the thread that's perhaps ascribing him too much political forethought.

mathymancer said:
On her Pilgrimage of Fingers, saint Grey the fourth stole

a statue from a shark
a coin from a greenskin
a tongue from a rat
a toy from a prince
a cup from a tent
[and three other things hopefully]
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I really like the 'toy from a prince' one, took a second for it to click this was Vlag not Mandred. As for others...

'Innocence from spiders', to represent the enlightenment of the We? Doesn't quite fit the format unfortunately.

Also 'a heart from a jade' if we want to be a sappy fool. Because if Ranald is allowed to have romance be part of his origin story we can damn well do it too :p
 
Parabola said:
Actually, in the RPG, the way that the Lights are able to do the thing with their Choirs is that there's a Lesser Magic spell called Link, which appropriately enough links users of the same Lore. It's also noted to be particularly difficult as far as Lesser Magic goes, and only known by the Order of Light and some Ulrican temples.

Just because this is Lesser Magic doesn't mean other Lores could learn it - Hysh in particular has very heavy associations with harmony, and everyone knows that wolves hunt in packs so it makes sense that some Ulricans know how to do this.

Maaaybe the Jades could learn it, given their associations with growth and possibly if you apply a metaphor along the lines of 'you cant have a forest without individual trees', but I have a hard time seeing the other Winds as capable of managing it. And a multi-Wind version feels right out.


IIRC Boney said that it happened at some point after we arrived and that Kadon 'crushed it'. He is really good at what he does.
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I wonder if that means the ambers might actually have a good affinity for it? They are the lore of beasts after all, and very few beasts hunt alone in packs. They are also weird introvert weirdos, but if some Ulrician can learn it, i think the same sorta logic could be applied to the ambers.
 
Sa'kage said:
I wonder if that means the ambers might actually have a good affinity for it? They are the lore of beasts after all, and very few beasts hunt alone in packs. They are also weird introvert weirdos, but if some Ulrician can learn it, i think the same sorta logic could be applied to the ambers.
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And I wonder if there could be some way to make Ulgu do the job by hooking us up into the shadows of their actions. Give ourself some aspect of shadowing the person we link to so our actions match theirs.
 
mathymancer said:
On her Pilgrimage of Fingers, saint Grey the fourth stole

a statue from a shark
a coin from a greenskin
a tongue from a rat
a toy from a prince
a cup from a tent
[and three other things hopefully]
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a silver statue from a stranded shark

a spinning coin from a cunning brother

a clever tongue from a bitter rat

a toy fortress from a sleazy prince

a full cup from an empty camp

a life's blood from a murderous snake

a return to glory from a has-been hero

a new reality from inside reality's edge
 
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