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Well, there's the social options each turn. But we're not doing those, either.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Hmm, do we know if the Druids insist on passing down their teachings to biological kids, or are they cool and okay with adoption? Cause while I don't think Lady Magister "Ew, children? I ain't got the AP for that; get an apprentice instead" will care what the Druids think, I'd like to know what to expect from Pan's mother if/when Mathilde marries her daughter.
Actually, for that matter, do we know what Panoramia's stance on kids is?
Mopman43
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We don't know that actually.
The update specified that it was not certain when construction would start, or if it'd be soon, but that it would eventually happen.
I do not think he would complain, he would probably have the EIC expelled from Norland and confiscate all their assets, it is entirely within the prerogative of an EC do to so with merchants he does not like, though of course he would have to fgure out it is being done, which does not seem likely to happen as soon as we do it unless we crit fail the action or something.
Mopman43
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The EIC doesn't have assets in Nordland.
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Someone already replied to you, but yeah, Arburg is not Pan's mom. While Pan's mom spent her time politicking in the Jade College, Arburg was getting into naval battles and fighting Beastmen. I have serious doubts about Arburg even being involved in the internal politics of the College. Battle Wizards don't seem like the type to get involved.
As a side note, she also had a 25% chance to beat Dragomas. Not that high, but if you consider that Alric had a 35% chance, it shows you how strong she is. In canon, Arburg is the Magister Matriarch before Tochter.
If we send it to spy on Norland it will have to bring some.
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I know people have been making various arguments as to why the EIC can't do spy things when we set it up to do those spy things, and agree that most of those arguments are silly. But I think spying on Nordland specifically is going to be tricky when they don't have a presence in that area, when as I understand it the spying is done by piggybacking off of existing trade infrastructure.
If we want to spy on Nordland, we might have to put some effort into expanding the EIC into Nordland, in the first place.
If we want to spy on Nordland, we might have to put some effort into expanding the EIC into Nordland, in the first place.
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Hochlander can now train actual agents, so I don't think they need to be directly connected to EIC.
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Last I checked the EIC had assets in Southern Middenland. They also have minor assets in Middenheim:
In order to establish a connection to Nordland, interstate trade needs to expand up the River Taub into Grimminhagen, and from there into the North Road, which can establish a connection in Middenheim, and then move along the Middenheim-Erengrad road, which is the only major trade route between Middenland and Nordland. It takes time to move assets, but it is something that can be done. The question becomes, what can the EIC provide that Nordland in particular would be greatly appreciative of? The first thing to come to mind is Peat, which we had a nice hefty amount of, but we traded that to the Dwarves. I'm sure someone else can come up with an idea, or maybe we decide it's none of our business.
Mopman43
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The price of timber crashed in the southern Empire thanks to the clear-cutting the fighters from K8P were doing in Sylvania.
Importing timber to Nordland almost sounds like it should be a joke, but depending on how the timber industry in Nordland has been doing since the Eonir exerted their property rights, the 2nd Fleet still needs timber.
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Is that road actually still seeing trade between them? With how they've been feuding I'd have figured that one party would've set increased tariffs at some point, and then the other party would've reciprocated, until it became uneconomical to do anything at all there. There was a Boney quote on how Middenland would prefer Nordland getting no trade than trade that benefits them, though the context for that was trade with Laurelorn.
We don't have to specifically trade something to Nordland to set up a presence—the EIC can also carry other people's goods. Wilhelmina started as a caravaner, after all.
So we can provide wagons and drivers at dirt cheap prices, because our costs are being subsidised by more profitable trade elsewhere, undercut the local caravaners, and suddenly we have a presence in every town that's on the main road.
Then, once all our competitors are out of business and we hold a monopoly on cargo transport, we raise prices—
Oh wait, vow of poverty. Nevermind, nothing to see here.
So we can provide wagons and drivers at dirt cheap prices, because our costs are being subsidised by more profitable trade elsewhere, undercut the local caravaners, and suddenly we have a presence in every town that's on the main road.
Then, once all our competitors are out of business and we hold a monopoly on cargo transport, we raise prices—
Oh wait, vow of poverty. Nevermind, nothing to see here.
Yeah, that's totally reasonable. The issue is the people thinking of using an eike action for it alone and thinking that's gonna go well.
You mean the turn after for the Nordland action?
The thing is, the Empire should already be keeping an eye on the Nordland-Eonir situation, as the central authorities are going to want to know if one of the Provinces is going to freelance themselves into a war with a potential ally that's collaborating with the Empire, Kislev and the Karaz Ankor.
We don't have to do everything ourselves.
By, for example, the Middenlanders letting us know.
If they're importing the stone, construction is bound to start soon. We don't know when, but we want the RoW bridge to happen first so they're not left with stranded assets.
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That's correct, here's that quote:
And apparently they didn't have a lot of trade connections even before the current tensions:
IIRC, Nordland is infamous for its punitive tariffs and road tolls, so it's likely uneconomic.
Mopman43
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Given the emphasis on 'when the time is right', I don't think we can say with any confidence that it'll be this year or next year or etc.
They're stockpiling stone, but they're also Elves. They're likely thinking a longer game than humans would be.
Why would they talk to us? we haven't interacted with anyone of importance from middenland since we got their message that the wood elves want to talk to us.
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This was my impression too:
Letting the Hochlander recruit and train people separate from using existing EIC personnel was the whole point of the shadow HQ action; it's not like taking it unlocked new options in our AP list, so presumably he's been doing stuff with it in the background over the last couple years. If it turns out that, no, the shadow HQ didn't change anything in that regard and we still need EIC presence in a province to get agents somewhere, then the obvious thing for us to do is to insert agents into Middenland instead and see if we can piggyback on their intel apparatus to make sure there are no political shitstorms in the works that we might want to be careful about.
Perhaps we'll get an update at the start of the next turn that gives us information one way or another, the way that we got the information about the growing schism in the Cult of Ulric at the start of T41, and that will give us a sense of the current temperature of tensions.
Parabola
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Nordland does have the Forest of Shadows to get timber from, but it presents an obvious downside just because it's the Forest of Shadows.
Well, on the upside, getting timber from the forest of shadows means there's less forest of shadows. That's pretty much why they've been clean cutting down in Stirland.
Bright side, every tree they cut down means there's less Forest of Shadows around.
I wonder how many bright wizards daydream about just torching all these evil magic forests entirely?
People were only able to deforest the Hunter's Hills after an army rolled through it and killed everything in it.
The Forest of Shadows is probably going to require a similar effort.
Also, with the walls of Laurelorn thing, I'm guessing the Loyalists are waiting until as many houses in their side can benefit at once from the expansion, in order to maximise their gains and undercut the Isolationists. So it might be on standby for years, until the Loyalists feel secure enough to act.
The Forest of Shadows is probably going to require a similar effort.
Also, with the walls of Laurelorn thing, I'm guessing the Loyalists are waiting until as many houses in their side can benefit at once from the expansion, in order to maximise their gains and undercut the Isolationists. So it might be on standby for years, until the Loyalists feel secure enough to act.
We talked to the Graf's son during Kazrik and Edda's wedding, and we'll probably get to talk to more Middenland leadership once they learn that we have a magic trick that will solve the lack of road. Right now Mathilde is only kind of aligned with Middenland, if the Eonir agree to the Mist Road and the project goes actually goes through Boris Todbringer might just kiss Mathilde. Well, he'll try at least, Mathilde's taken.
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