Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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If we go look at Nehekara's network afterwards we have a good enough excuse to pass muster.
Anything else the language would be useful for legal means?
Reading our other legal vampire books on prophecy that we took openly. Nehekaran writings are not like chaos, you are allowed to read most of that stuff, it is not inherently corruptive, it's just the ancient and powerful texts scare the decision makers.
Enchanted rings are cool and stuff, but don't forget that both Vlad and Sauron both died after they lost their rings of power.
The Vampiric Prophecies are super illegal and we did not take them openly:
Hey, we're nothing like Vlad or Sauron.
*Looks at our doom tower, necromancy knowledge, and spooky aesthetic*
...Okay, so maybe we have some similarities, but it'll be fine.
Parabola
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I'm probably speaking for a minority of the thread here but I'd much rather finish AV before starting another big project. If my calculations are right, it's perfectly possible for us to finish everything with AV by Turn 43 without straining anything or needing to juggle certain actions or worry about whether we should assign The Gambler to making a Liminal Realm or capturing an Apparition or whatever.
I'm deeply skeptical and even pessimistic of the idea of trying to make these two things at the same time while also managing regular Waystone actions.
I'm deeply skeptical and even pessimistic of the idea of trying to make these two things at the same time while also managing regular Waystone actions.
Due to Polyglot, it'd just be 2 AP, and I think I would rather not study the notes on one of the most potent personal-scale enchantments in the setting without actually understanding the language in question. Misinterpreting magic is the sort of thing that tends to go wrong very badly.
Not all the books in that library were the vampire prophecies from what I recall there was that one book written by a former Morite.
Mopman43
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They weren't in Nehekharan, though.
Has there ever been any WoG on exactly how long it would take to study a language, or Nehekaran specifically? We would also be learning specifically written Nehekaran (right? does anyone want to chat with Tomb Kings?), maybe that'll make it faster?
The former Morrite wasn't Nehekaran, she probably wrote in Reikspiel or Sylvanian or something. There were also the "Prophecies of Nospheratus", which might actually be written in Nehekaran. Is Nospheratus Nehekaran? I can't find much information on the guy, he's from a book apparently.
If they were written by a vampire about arcane matters odds are they were written in Nehekaran because it's a magical language, it describes the arcane better.
Mathilde "I had a dwarf king offer me anything I want and I chose book" Weber does not need justification for learning a language beyond more book. It's even true.
For that matter, Lady Magister "How did she even do that" Weber does not need justification for most things. It's not even really only a Mathilde thing. It's a Lord Magister thing. And a Grey thing. And a wizard thing. And I guess a rich noblewoman thing? Point is, learning a language that isn't daemontongue or derivatives isn't going to raise eyebrows, and given her demonstrated successes with daemon derived languages in squeekish, even that would not put her on any watchlist she isn't already on.
For that matter, Lady Magister "How did she even do that" Weber does not need justification for most things. It's not even really only a Mathilde thing. It's a Lord Magister thing. And a Grey thing. And a wizard thing. And I guess a rich noblewoman thing? Point is, learning a language that isn't daemontongue or derivatives isn't going to raise eyebrows, and given her demonstrated successes with daemon derived languages in squeekish, even that would not put her on any watchlist she isn't already on.
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But, and I want to emphasize this, this was in the context of discussing the version of Polyglot that we would have gotten as a reward for the original K8P expedition, not the one we took as a result of the KD expedition.
So there is no guarantee that these specific numbers are the same now as the ones 2019-Boney was talking about. Our character sheet says "quicker"; that's what we've got.
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We can learn it from the Colleges. Horst knows it too, I believe.
deathofrats0808
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I'm pretty sure the possibility that the Tomb Kings are going to come looking for the stuff worries people also. Especially considering that Arkhan attacked Altdorf within living memory.
Parabola
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Eike's Tar-Eltharin skill was at 2/3 when her character sheet was first revealed just before she immersed herself in Laurelorn and finished it. Before pickIepiikkl made his most recent post, I assumed High Nehekharan isn't much easier or harder than the language where every word has at least three meanings, so I said 2 AP just to be sure, but I will admit it could be 3 if Boney deems High Nehekharan and its magical bits particularly hard.
Regardless, my point was more along the lines of "shortcuts make long delays" rather than 'this is exactly how long it will take'. I would rather not risk misinterpreting Vlad's notes and potentially screw something up down the line. Being diligent and careful and not jumping straight to the shinies has served us exceedingly well in the past and saved us a lot of time.
We can from the Colleges, but Egrimm knows very little.
I've also asked Boney before on what it would take to study High Nehekharan with Egrimm as a Web-Mat action and it would require some tangible benefit.
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The Phoenixian
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Moving away from putting Mathilde's name on everything --- as also seen in the naming of the Rite of Way --- fits with the arc of Mathilde (mostly) slowly growing out of the need to put her name on everything she's done.
But yeah, especially as it seems to me like the truly impressive things speak for themselves.
Something to consider with languages is that Mathilde has spent about 2 AP in Kislev, and the narrative is already flavouring her has having picked up a smattering of the language just from immersion—not enough to be conversant, but enough to muddle her way through simple conversations. Whilst that's not represented on the character sheet, the fact that it's showing up in the narrative after roughly two immersion actions suggests that the Polyglot trait is very fast indeed.
Mathilde is far more of an expert on Magic and how difficult to translate the languages the notes might be in than posters in this thread are. She has very real experience working with translating highly technical concepts in a new language given her and Max's adventures in Queekish.
If Mathilde thought she needed to learn High Nekarahan to even begin studying the Ring notes or Vampire prophecies rather than learning as she goes I expect that the Action list would tell us so. Since it does not, I see no need to invent a whole list of new requirements and AP sinks whole cloth. Either it will go well or it won't depending on the dice, and we'll almost certainly come out with at least some progress on knowing the language just from taking the action no matter where the dice land..
If Mathilde thought she needed to learn High Nekarahan to even begin studying the Ring notes or Vampire prophecies rather than learning as she goes I expect that the Action list would tell us so. Since it does not, I see no need to invent a whole list of new requirements and AP sinks whole cloth. Either it will go well or it won't depending on the dice, and we'll almost certainly come out with at least some progress on knowing the language just from taking the action no matter where the dice land..
Wait, I thought Boney had made it quite clear that we needed to learn the language before we study Vlad's and W'Soran's papers.
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Do dwarves actually really know what power stones are? Because thinking about it, 'single strand of magic that over many months of determined will has been condensed and solidified into stable and reliable form' sounds about the most sensible use of human magic from a dwarf perspective. It's (debatably) not a new runecraft technique, just changing the world to be more susceptible to such techniques. If it does actually enhance runecraft enough I could see a power stone for runic items trade being culturally viable from their perspective.
Assuming it is effective; if you need eight power stones for an improvement… we'll we know some human uses already call for arrays of power stones to be used, but it would hopefully be a more than marginal power boost or it's probably not economically viable.
Edit: Alas, it is not effective. A shame. Obviously the solution is to grasp some Runecraft energy and focus that into a powerstone, I'm sure that could never go wrong.
Appropriately Paranoid Elector Count: "Quick, somebody check we've not got the Liber Mortis or some other dread tome of ungodly power hidden in the library somewhere!"
I was actually doing a bit of a reread earlier and recall at one point Mathilde mentioning her roots as a Stirlandian peasant caused her to view Ulgu more as fog than shadows (which, wow, how far we've pushed that since then) which effected which spells she was better at. So cultural background definitely plays at least some part.
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Mopman43
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It's also literally fractal, since fractal behavior is one sign that you're near a phase transition!