Yeah, that part was specifically talking about waystones. Chances are, we're not going to be able to built nexi everywhere.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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This came up when the central Waystone intelligence thing first came up. I think our leading theory was that the central control intelligence of the Karaz Ankor network is in the Throne of Power, possibly borrowing the High King's intelligence. The same keyphrases working for both probably still makes sense if the networks were originally designed to be part of a cohesive whole, but I dunno. That's something that will be super interesting to find out, but it's also the kind of thing that I think the High King is going be very secretive about, so I'm not sure if we're likely to find out from taking the Karaz Ankor network action.
Tasoli
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Automated system probably. Caledor is the network administrator but he is not manually connecting stuff like old timey phone operator. He is there to oversee working of the system and handle problems. Presumably system is advanged enough to not need that much work.
deathofrats0808
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We don't know that the Nehekharans ever built anything out of Waystone Gold AFAIK.
The Light Order believes their pyramidions might be made of Waystone Gold:
but even if that's true we can't really assume that they had any special metalworking knowledge, because Waystones Capstones are already shaped like pyramids so it might just be that the Nehekharans looted some Waystones.
pucflek
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It isn´t thought? It just accumulates at the last one as far as i can tell, meaning that failure of one still means that only one fails (and second one up the line starts accumulation, but it won´t blow up, it just clogs), whereas the runic thingy would, as you say, keep running up until it reached the last waystone in that line.
Wait, wait, i know i said we shouldn´t depend on craftsmanship of a dead race, but Nehekharrans might be the one exception. Maybe try to trade for it the next time one of them decides they need to fill their silos again?
notanautomaton
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This does lead me to wonder as to how much of the traditional view of the winds is based on objective truth rather than the lens of the scholar's culture. In parts of our world there's a long-standing tradition of more joyful funerals like in New Orleans, celebrations of the dead like Dia de los Muertos, or ancestor worship/veneration in China. Would those cultures view and use Shyish differently than the Imperials and Elves, even if they had an independently developed Teclisian paradigm?
Mopman43
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I think Cathay's conception of the Winds would suggest that the culture of the wielder plays a part.
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I'm looking forward to reading those books. I don't care that much about WHF as a setting, but I like getting background info on areas relating to what DL dabbles in.
I'm looking forward to reading those books. I don't care that much about WHF as a setting, but I like getting background info on areas relating to what DL dabbles in.
notanautomaton
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Cathay is really weird, and runs into dual issues. Firstly, their Lores of Yin and Yang are only used by dragon blooded shuengan, who as non-humans get to break the Teclisian paradigm. This also depends heavily on whether you're using older lore that has them as alternate names for Dark and High magic, or the newer Total War Lore that has them as combinations of four winds, seemingly as half-High Magic.
Secondly, the Lores of Magic in Total War and the tabletop are the same regardless of faction; the three flavors of elf, a Beastman and an Ogre will all use the same Lore of Beasts. This is probably based on the need to avoid adding absurd amounts of complexity than being a statement on the deeper truths of magic, which makes it hard to say whether the Cathayan names for the Winds only a change in nomenclature or represent a larger difference.
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That's what I had in mind while posting. I'd be surprised if they were literally just looted Waystone capstones, but I suppose it's possible. Are they actually the same size, for one?
I would expect them to be substantially larger, but I guess it's possible there's just a tiny speck of gold on top of the pyramids
A pyramidion is a thing at the very tip of the pyramid. Looking at some pictures of real life pyramidions they do look about the size I would expect a Waystone capstone to be (not that we have accurate measures for the size of Waystone capstone) so it wouldn't be too shocking to find that they are the same size, but who knows.
The capstone that was provided by the Gold college was called a pyramidion in the update, so I assume that is roughly the same size as what can be found on the tip of a pyramid.
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deathofrats0808
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IRL pyramidions from the Egyptian pyramids (what few have survived) are pretty small actually. They're heavy but not very large.
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A pyramidion is the top part of a pyramid or an obelisk. So the top of a Waystone would be a pyramidion, even if they're not the same size.
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I'm not sure what you mean Puc
With the current Waystones if one Waystone gets clogged then eventually the Dhar builds up until it bursts the banks and overflows, which then continues upstream to accumulate in the next Waystone up the line until that one also goes over capacity and bursts it's banks, and so on until the disruption either reaches a Waystone with more than one outlet, or you get a line of Dhar build up straight to the Wastes
It's the exact same kind of cascade failure
Take out one bit and the next bit starts to fail which takes out that bit which causes the next bit to fail
Until you either find a redundancy or the whole thing comes crashing down
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Boney doesn't tend to offer compromise votes because they're less than ideal (something about how they're a good way to inherit the downsides of both without fully reaping the benefits of either).
I'd expect him to say the Chamberlain wouldn't want to share an embassy with the EIC because it'd be favoring it too much, and that the EIC would rather not take any chances with possibly offending the embassy, or something. And I'd imagine neither would be particularly inclined to share a house with a magic lab unless they absolutely had to.
So thinking of them as mutually exclusive...
Retaining it as a research facility probably is the best for further studies of other artefacts - a good number of tools we have in the manor were described as being very delicate so maybe we won't be able to bring them all along to K8P.
Keeping it as an embassy would be a strong way to affirm that our nations want peace with one another. It'd be a political statement that the Empire and Laurelorn have achieved success from working together, and that they will continue to do so.
Keeping it as an EIC base would, on top of more steady trade for short-term luxuries or whatever, allow us to spread a few agents and keep abreast of any potentially troubling developments.
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I'd be surprised if we couldn't take our lab equipment with us; we bought it all ourself, it wasn't there when we arrived.
It might be a bit of a pain to organise, but I'm not leaving 2000 gold's worth of equipment we paid for with our own money if we can help it.
deathofrats0808
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It might not survive long distance travel though. It was all constructed in Laurelorn itself, so it's not come up before.
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I didn't express myself very well there. I know we wouldn't deliberately leave anything behind if we absolutely didn't have to, I'm just saying there's a handful of stuff that might be left behind because they're fragile. And the manor's already serving as a magical lab, it'd be painless to leave it as-is than repurpose it for anything else.
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It's not just a compromise though. It's qualitatively different. Sharing an office building with an Imperial embassy might well be more valuable to the EIC than the specifics of where this embassy happens to be. Of course Boney might decide on good reasons for why the Chamberlain or his staff don't want to play along, but personally I'm rather hoping that he comes up with (or just extrapolates from existing world building and characterization) qualitatively unique drawbacks that such an option would have compared to others. At the very least putting the House in Imperial hands permanently would mean foregoing some other reward.
I don't see why it should be troubled any more than, say, our gallons of AV were.
I have been thinking about the arguments people have brought up about the Waystone network and our own prospective patch jobs and it occurs to me that we may be missing the forest for the trees. Yes menhirs can be knocked over and fish rocks can be forgotten but there is a fundamental difference between these waystones and the ones we inherited... we would be making them, which means we can make them in places that are convenient to settle at least at first.
Nice as it would be to be able to design to the standards of the Golden Age, stones that have endured out in the howling wilderness for six thousand years and more, that is not what we need. What we need is some waystones that work somewhat, get the momentum going in the other direction, less chaos, less beastmen, less insane mages so that those who might have been corrupted will instead make the Empire stronger, more axes in trees, more roads cleared, more villages and forts to protect more Waystones. We are not, thank all the gods, in the position of the elves and dwarfs post vortex, we are in the position of someone doing emergency repairs to their work.
Nice as it would be to be able to design to the standards of the Golden Age, stones that have endured out in the howling wilderness for six thousand years and more, that is not what we need. What we need is some waystones that work somewhat, get the momentum going in the other direction, less chaos, less beastmen, less insane mages so that those who might have been corrupted will instead make the Empire stronger, more axes in trees, more roads cleared, more villages and forts to protect more Waystones. We are not, thank all the gods, in the position of the elves and dwarfs post vortex, we are in the position of someone doing emergency repairs to their work.
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So, it was my understanding that next turn we would do the GigaFlex with the Orbs of Sorcery? It's that not the case? Because I'm seeing the potential plans for next turn and no one is including that in it.
Oh and btw I had an idea some time ago for a new enchantment that we could potentially do but I would like to heard what the other people in the thread think about it:
So, ok, first of all a lot of this is speculation and it might not be viable but I'm thinking that once we have learn High Nehkharan and read the notes on the Carstein Ring we could try to create our very own 'Ring of Power', not using Dark Magic of course but instead create some kind of… 'Ring of Ulgu'.
The idea would be to use the wood we still have from Drycha's body, our own enchanting abilities that, hopeful, will be improved from reading the notes on the Carstein Ring and, to fuel it all, we use an Orb of Sorcery. From my understanding, the Orbs are supposed to be used to do enchantments and, well, if we make a new one and give it to the Colleges they have no reason to stop our use of it since we can easily make another Orb if we want to. Maybe also put The Gambler on it too just to make sure the enchantment will be strong.
Only problem with this plan, I think, is that we don't know exactly what Mathilda will get out of Vlad's notes but I still think it would be a cool idea. Alternatively, we could try to make a new Staff but our current one is very good already and… I just think that creating the Ulgu equivalent of the Carstein Ring would be metal as fuck and I like the image of Mathilde creating a Ring of Power.
Oh and btw I had an idea some time ago for a new enchantment that we could potentially do but I would like to heard what the other people in the thread think about it:
So, ok, first of all a lot of this is speculation and it might not be viable but I'm thinking that once we have learn High Nehkharan and read the notes on the Carstein Ring we could try to create our very own 'Ring of Power', not using Dark Magic of course but instead create some kind of… 'Ring of Ulgu'.
The idea would be to use the wood we still have from Drycha's body, our own enchanting abilities that, hopeful, will be improved from reading the notes on the Carstein Ring and, to fuel it all, we use an Orb of Sorcery. From my understanding, the Orbs are supposed to be used to do enchantments and, well, if we make a new one and give it to the Colleges they have no reason to stop our use of it since we can easily make another Orb if we want to. Maybe also put The Gambler on it too just to make sure the enchantment will be strong.
Only problem with this plan, I think, is that we don't know exactly what Mathilda will get out of Vlad's notes but I still think it would be a cool idea. Alternatively, we could try to make a new Staff but our current one is very good already and… I just think that creating the Ulgu equivalent of the Carstein Ring would be metal as fuck and I like the image of Mathilde creating a Ring of Power.
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We temporarily broke the room of 'oh shit' so people are less willing to do it at turn.
I honestly think it's safe enough, we have already tested what happens.
But people are wary when it comes to magic. ;not necessarily a bad thing)