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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Magnos III said:
So, it was my understanding that next turn we would do the GigaFlex with the Orbs of Sorcery? It's that not the case? Because I'm seeing the potential plans for next turn and no one is including that in it.
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You may recall that our Room of Calamity is out of commission for a year; T43 is when we can safely use it again. I asked Boney, way back when we lost the use of the Room of Calamity, which of our research projects Mathilde would want to use it for, and the Orbs of Sorcery were on the list.

Now, we could do the work somewhere else and take our chances, but when fucking around with eight gallons of AV and eight powerstones turning into eight things that power Battle Altars which are basically tactical nukes, I'd really strongly prefer not to, so I am personally not going to be supporting a plan to do the Orbs until then. I've been convinced from people's arguments and Word of Boney that doing the Liminal Realm research in the wilderness is probably fine, though, since even if we roll low again and get a demon there's nowhere it can reach before it discorporates, so we might be able to do that T42 and then finish everything with the orbs on T43.
 
Boney said:
In the end, you settle for the guard bypass. In the end a big part of why is that it depends only on the Rune of the Unknown,
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Was rereading the latest chapter and this double phrasing… seems like an error, though the fact that no one else has mentioned it is making me doubt my own understanding of grammar.
 
Magnos III said:
So, ok, first of all a lot of this is speculation and it might not be viable but I'm thinking that once we have learn High Nehkharan and read the notes on the Carstein Ring we could try to create our very own 'Ring of Power', not using Dark Magic of course but instead create some kind of… 'Ring of Ulgu'.
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We were told that making something small using the Orbs would probably be very hard. A ring would fit the definition of "something that can be waved around in a single hand" pretty well. If we want to do something cool with the Orbs we should probably think bigger.
I'm a fan of using them to either get the required raw power to make a new Leyline by expending them, or using them to reduce the power requirements to induce a magical stream.
Boney said:
There's a gulf between something being achievable by anyone ever and something being achievable right now with your available knowledge and resources. If the smallest thing that's ever been made by the Colleges that incorporates an Orb of Sorcery is the size of a caravan, maybe that implies some obstacles in the way of something that can be waved around in a single hand.
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AsuraAtlas said:
Was rereading the latest chapter and this double phrasing… seems like an error, though the fact that no one else has mentioned it is making me doubt my own understanding of grammar.
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No, that's fine, and I say that as a certified grammar nitpicker (okay, not literally, but only because I can't find anyone to give me a certificate for it). I personally prefer to use commas after introductory prepositional phrases, but writing a short one like "In the end" with no comma afterwards is totally legit. Is it the "a big part of why" that's throwing you? That's a noun phrase and is also totally fine, but I can see how it would read weirdly if you aren't used to that construction.
 
picklepikkl said:
No, that's fine, and I say that as a certified grammar nitpicker (okay, not literally, but only because I can't find anyone to give me a certificate for it). I personally prefer to use commas after introductory prepositional phrases, but writing a short one like "In the end" with no comma afterwards is totally legit. Is it the "a big part of why" that's throwing you? That's a noun phrase and is also totally fine, but I can see how it would read weirdly if you aren't used to that construction.
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I think they just mean "in the end" being repeated at all, which isn't GRAMMATICALLY incorrect but is something basically any proofreader, editor etc is gonna go "uh was this on purpose or an error in the revision process?"
 
picklepikkl said:
You may recall that our Room of Calamity is out of commission for a year; T43 is when we can safely use it again. I asked Boney, way back when we lost the use of the Room of Calamity, which of our research projects Mathilde would want to use it for, and the Orbs of Sorcery were on the list.

Now, we could do the work somewhere else and take our chances, but when fucking around with eight gallons of AV and eight powerstones turning into eight things that power Battle Altars which are basically tactical nukes, I'd really strongly prefer not to, so I am personally not going to be supporting a plan to do the Orbs until then. I've been convinced from people's arguments and Word of Boney that doing the Liminal Realm research in the wilderness is probably fine, though, since even if we roll low again and get a demon there's nowhere it can reach before it discorporates, so we might be able to do that T42 and then finish everything with the orbs on T43.
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Personally if we're picking out research actions for next turn I'd prefer studying the notes on Von Carestein's ring for potential enchantment and general magical understanding.

Then again if we're looking at liminal realms again I'd quite like to take a turn with the Gambler free to learn Pit of Shades, since that opens up a portal to a (seperate) liminal realm as part of it and there might well be insights to gain there.

Edit: To be clear I know this means liminal realms would almost certainly be fair number of turns away.
 
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picklepikkl said:
You may recall that our Room of Calamity is out of commission for a year; T43 is when we can safely use it again. I asked Boney, way back when we lost the use of the Room of Calamity, which of our research projects Mathilde would want to use it for, and the Orbs of Sorcery were on the list.

Now, we could do the work somewhere else and take our chances, but when fucking around with eight gallons of AV and eight powerstones turning into eight things that power Battle Altars which are basically tactical nukes, I'd really strongly prefer not to, so I am personally not going to be supporting a plan to do the Orbs until then. I've been convinced from people's arguments and Word of Boney that doing the Liminal Realm research in the wilderness is probably fine, though, since even if we roll low again and get a demon there's nowhere it can reach before it discorporates, so we might be able to do that T42 and then finish everything with the orbs on T43.
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for me, the big question that @Boney has yet to answer: is it safe to put the stones in mould blocks while we are doing it.

Orbs of Sorcery is one thing, Orbs of Sorcery that each Orb is shaped (taking the limitations of moulding as a medium) as the runes of each wind is a flex on top of a flex.

Orbs of Sorcery that spell out Mathilde (8 letter, 8 stones) is god mode flexing.

and for the life of me, I cant see why not. It might not be able to be tight: but it should take shape around the free space in the block (area of least resistance.)

So rough shaping should be fine.



this, but stone/wax/whatever.
 
On the subject of a Ring I personally would prefer something like enchanting one with our Apparition spell for a quick surprise cast. Well that and/or have an auto-defense enchantment that summons it to deal with anyone trying to kill us.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
Orbs of Sorcery that spell out Mathilde (8 letter, 8 stones) is god mode flexing.

and for the life of me, I cant see why not. It might not be able to be tight: but it should take shape around the free space in the block (area of least resistance.)
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The form might change their behaviour.

The Colleges already know how to use Orbs of Sorcery.

Ergo changing their form is a downgrade.
 
Sinsystems said:
On the subject of a Ring I personally would prefer something like enchanting one with our Apparition spell for a quick surprise cast. Well that and/or have an auto-defense enchantment that summons it to deal with anyone trying to kill us.
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Apparitions don´t sound like something collegiate knows how to enchant i think? Idk. But the very nature of the spell demands that the apparitions have to be in the soul of the user i think? Which would make putting them into ring difficult.

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Turns out i am wrong.
 
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Magnos III said:
So, ok, first of all a lot of this is speculation and it might not be viable but I'm thinking that once we have learn High Nehkharan and read the notes on the Carstein Ring we could try to create our very own 'Ring of Power', not using Dark Magic of course but instead create some kind of… 'Ring of Ulgu'.

The idea would be to use the wood we still have from Drycha's body, our own enchanting abilities that, hopeful, will be improved from reading the notes on the Carstein Ring and, to fuel it all, we use an Orb of Sorcery. From my understanding, the Orbs are supposed to be used to do enchantments and, well, if we make a new one and give it to the Colleges they have no reason to stop our use of it since we can easily make another Orb if we want to. Maybe also put The Gambler on it too just to make sure the enchantment will be strong.
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There's also the problem of how powerstones (and orbs of sorcery) are used in enchantment.

The powerstone makes reality more malleable, which makes more potent enchantments possible.

A ring with a gem bigger than mathilde's head would be impractical...
 
pucflek said:
Apparitions don´t sound like something collegiate knows how to enchant i think? Idk. But the very nature of the spell demands that the apparitions have to be in the soul of the user i think? Which would make putting them into ring difficult.
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It's possible to bind the Apparitions to a ring rather than to the caster's soul, but it's got obvious problems:
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Binding it to your soul means you're not going to lose them and you have a very strong leash to yank on if you really need to. Having them tied to a ring instead is possible and the Gold College has a horn that's like that, but it's easier to lose a ring than it is to lose a soul.
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It's the same issue as other enchantments, in that while it being automated means no one has to concentrate every time the spell is cast, it can also go out of control far easier since there's no one around to manually course correct. And this is more pronounced here since apparitions will strain against the bindings more than regular Wind uncontrollability does.


Humbaba said:
There's no indication of such in the Artefacts list, so I assume Mathilde is confident enough to at least make a first stab with whatever reference books she can get access to using the AP assigned to research it.
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Actually, they are in Nehekaran, and Mathilde could understand what those notes were about from the attached pictures and context. Doesn't mean she'll actually be able to read the text, though.

Boney said:
You do find something of interest amongst the stripped-bare shelves surrounding a writing desk: a sheaf of papers covered in Nehekharan script that, judging by some of the diagrams, are an investigation into an enchantment placed upon a ring.
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StormySky said:
It's the same issue as other enchantments, in that while it being automated means no one has to concentrate every time the spell is cast, it can also go out of control far easier since there's no one around to manually course correct. And this is more pronounced here since apparitions will strain against the bindings more than regular Wind uncontrollability does.



Actually, they are in Nehekaran, and Mathilde could understand what those notes were about from the attached pictures and context. Doesn't mean she'll actually be able to read the text, though.
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Yes and presumably between the Grey College and her library Mathilde has access to enough scholarly materials about the Nehekaran language that she feels she can at least start translating studying the notes with the study action rather than needing 3 AP of "Learn Nekaharan" first. We may or may not find after starting that more AP investment is required.
 
Fouredged Sword said:
But we don't call them demons for political reasons.
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Same reason we do not call divine servants daemons. Whenever someone brings up that apparitions are too close to daemon binding it is worth reminding that summoning divine servants is a lot closer, the priests actually worship/heed the things they summon and those neverborn have agency and a mind. Realistically any one priest only has the word of the being coming through that they are from the god in question. It makes apparition binding look downright mild by comparison. :V
 
Humbaba said:
Yes and presumably between the Grey College and her library Mathilde has access to enough scholarly materials about the Nehekaran language that she feels she can at least start translating studying the notes with the study action rather than needing 3 AP of "Learn Nekaharan" first. We may or may not find after starting that more AP investment is required.
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First of all, we have zero Nehekaran materials in KAU. Secondly, do we really want to be using the library of the Empire's paranoid magical spy agency for our completely illegal endeavor that will get us executed if we get discovered? And even if this works, while translating with references without understanding the original language still lets you get the gist of things in most cases, this is probably a very complicated piece of magic and losing track of those fiddly little details could have a significant impact on whether we understand the thing.

@Boney Is it possible to study the W'Soran prophecies and Carstein Ring notes without knowing high Nehekaran first solely through translating with reference materials? If so, does that inflict a significant malus on our studying roll due to missing the nuances lost in translation?
 
I think that for the Red Rider Ring we would be best served putting them under strict limits on what they can do. For example a basic attack, defend and stop command suite.

It would mean the ring Riders wouldn't be able to act in complicated ways like the cast version, but should be pretty stable.
 
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