- Location
- United States
I wouldnt be opposed to book plan.
it would also make boneys job easier too. just make it a flat +whatever to everything.
it would also make boneys job easier too. just make it a flat +whatever to everything.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
- Start date
- Fantasy Users' Choice!
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
- Location
- Before the Ninth Gate
I've been thinking I need to learn modding (and buy the game, tbh) just to do this. Maybe in a couple of months, when I have a job again.
Can't wait to see the reaction to Mathilde killing the bulk of a Waaaaaaagh when the diary gets to that.
It is more poking fun than insulting her. Plus it is also in one form an epic apology. Creating a library and getting the Dwarves to look after and defend it. This is a library that will never be burned for warmth or sold because it was inherited by a fool.
- Location
- somewhere over there.
- Pronouns
- They/It
It's just as wasteful. Perhaps even more so; there's an endless number of things for Slayers to kill themselves against, but only so many priests of Gazul can contribute. Either way, their knowledge, expertise, and life from before is just as gone, just as "dead". The only difference is how long it takes their bodies to follow suit.
- Location
- Aotearoa
Hmm If we establish an award and/or a connected Research institute, winning a MATHILDE will of course come with a stipend from Weber's Establishment Bursary for Extraordinary Research?
ya, the more I think about it the library , the more I like it.
1: its in character
2: amuses Ranald
3: its a present rather then a Job, so we hopeful wont get AP locked and can interact with it as we like.
4: it would go great with my Trait (so that's a plus for me. )
5: can go on adventures for more knowledge. (e.g short campaigns)
1: its in character
2: amuses Ranald
3: its a present rather then a Job, so we hopeful wont get AP locked and can interact with it as we like.
4: it would go great with my Trait (so that's a plus for me. )
5: can go on adventures for more knowledge. (e.g short campaigns)
Maybe place it in the Citadel as it is the more historic or central location?
There's a ton of empty space around the Karak - no need to cram everything into Karag Nar.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Well, it's not just a Transcendent favor we have, is it? We're currently sitting on more than twice what we needed to commission the most powerful and precious example of runework the jewel of the Karaz Ankor was capable of.
And unlike the Transcendent Favor, which applies to Belegar, the normal favors can be tendered anywhere besides Karaz-a-Karak. We drop forty favor on it, and we're leaning on a debt that every dwarf who knows the story of how we got that favor will feel compelled to help out with, from Barak Var to Karak Norn.
Because it messes with the name of the thing (also, 'The Great Library of Karak Nar' puts library first, which makes it sound more important, I think). Nothing stops us from retaining new stuff except space, though. We could mix in exhibits with the appropriate history books, I suppose.
We're cramming it in Karak Nar because it's about the size of a city, so spreading it out over multiple cities dilutes the coolness, and also we want to say that it's all ours, so we need to live on top of it like a shadowy megacorp boss and / or dragon.
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- Location
- Poland
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I have an idea for a generalization and expansion of the B O O K B O O N.
Current idea is to just accumulate all sorts of books/tablets/manuscripts in one place.
That is going to draw educated people like moths to a flame. This includes mages.
So... how about we ask to make our library grounds (and one of the peaks at least) a sanctuary for those who come to learn?
If Empire goes stupid again, Colleges can simply come here- to learn of course!
This would have the benefit of shielding a larger group of people- if Verenians ever piss off a cruel Emperor, they could come crash here, for example.
Now, this would be more expansive than just stockpiling books, both short and long term. It's essentially Library and Sanctuary combined, except even bigger.
This could be eventually offset by the fact that K8P would become an absolute center of science and culture in entirety of the Old World, becoming closer to how it used to be.
Current idea is to just accumulate all sorts of books/tablets/manuscripts in one place.
That is going to draw educated people like moths to a flame. This includes mages.
So... how about we ask to make our library grounds (and one of the peaks at least) a sanctuary for those who come to learn?
If Empire goes stupid again, Colleges can simply come here- to learn of course!
This would have the benefit of shielding a larger group of people- if Verenians ever piss off a cruel Emperor, they could come crash here, for example.
Now, this would be more expansive than just stockpiling books, both short and long term. It's essentially Library and Sanctuary combined, except even bigger.
This could be eventually offset by the fact that K8P would become an absolute center of science and culture in entirety of the Old World, becoming closer to how it used to be.
Full disclosure: on top of travelling for the holidays (which overall is a good thing, but I don't travel well) I'm also dealing with having to find a new place to live. So update schedule might end up slipping a bit, and a bit more testiness might slip through my usual 'backspace it and reword it nicely' protocols in the coming days/weeks/months.
'Discourage' was a bit of a strong word. The thread's been good about remembering the limitations of stacking magical items.
1-2 with, 2-4 without, for distant languages that were still built for human mouths. 2-3/3-5 for non-human languages that still share a lineage with human-speakable languages. Anything more alien than that will be a case-by-case basis.
Marienburg and the Empire have a tricky relationship. The Empire would still very much like to get Marienburg paying Imperial taxes once more, and failing that trade going through Imperial companies rather than Marienburg ones would be in the Empire's best interests.
While it may not be what the thread decides to do if it does come to that, willing Mathilde's shares to the Grey College would be a pretty reliable way to put one hell of a leash on them in a post-Mathilde world.
A 'as and when the Karak can reasonably afford it' rider would be possible to tack on to just about any repayment method.
This is possible, but the trade companies and families you'd be enriching are the very same ones the Grey Order have to fairly routinely terrify back into the straight and narrow because they get too big for their boots.
As Belegar has been bringing attention to, this is the other side of the coin to Grudges, and Dwarf psychology is not at home to rationality in these matters.
He might try. That's why you should keep that in mind before you ask.
Outside of Boon-spending, this is something heavily dependent on circumstance. If the EIC can find enough demand to match supply, they're in a position to step into that role of middle-man naturally. If they can't, then by default the excess would go to Barak Varr and then on to the rest of the Old World via the pre-existing trade links.
Yes.
Considering that a dragon skeleton is hugely more of a power boost to Vampires and other Necromancers than it would be to regular wizards, that they aren't all riding around on dragons that suggests that there'd be more difficulties than logistical in making this happen.
Extinct. Most of them chose to remain behind and seal away tombs, vaults and treasuries. The very few survivors were reabsorbed back into the Karaz-a-Karak Thungnisson Clan.
No.
None.
Yes. They got Minor or Moderate boons.
That's a level of bookkeeping I'm not keeping track of.
Try it and find out.
(how much the concept of consensus reality applies to the Warhammer world, if it does at all, is a matter of both IC and OOC debate, so there's no real way to map out cause-and-effect in advance)
Not on its own. If the Under-Empire shatters or dissolves as a result to the extent that none of the resultant fragments can be considered a continuation or an inheritor of the Under-Empire, then it could be possible.
No.
'Discourage' was a bit of a strong word. The thread's been good about remembering the limitations of stacking magical items.
1-2 with, 2-4 without, for distant languages that were still built for human mouths. 2-3/3-5 for non-human languages that still share a lineage with human-speakable languages. Anything more alien than that will be a case-by-case basis.
Marienburg and the Empire have a tricky relationship. The Empire would still very much like to get Marienburg paying Imperial taxes once more, and failing that trade going through Imperial companies rather than Marienburg ones would be in the Empire's best interests.
While it may not be what the thread decides to do if it does come to that, willing Mathilde's shares to the Grey College would be a pretty reliable way to put one hell of a leash on them in a post-Mathilde world.
A 'as and when the Karak can reasonably afford it' rider would be possible to tack on to just about any repayment method.
This is possible, but the trade companies and families you'd be enriching are the very same ones the Grey Order have to fairly routinely terrify back into the straight and narrow because they get too big for their boots.
As Belegar has been bringing attention to, this is the other side of the coin to Grudges, and Dwarf psychology is not at home to rationality in these matters.
He might try. That's why you should keep that in mind before you ask.
Outside of Boon-spending, this is something heavily dependent on circumstance. If the EIC can find enough demand to match supply, they're in a position to step into that role of middle-man naturally. If they can't, then by default the excess would go to Barak Varr and then on to the rest of the Old World via the pre-existing trade links.
Yes.
Considering that a dragon skeleton is hugely more of a power boost to Vampires and other Necromancers than it would be to regular wizards, that they aren't all riding around on dragons that suggests that there'd be more difficulties than logistical in making this happen.
Extinct. Most of them chose to remain behind and seal away tombs, vaults and treasuries. The very few survivors were reabsorbed back into the Karaz-a-Karak Thungnisson Clan.
No.
None.
Yes. They got Minor or Moderate boons.
That's a level of bookkeeping I'm not keeping track of.
Try it and find out.
(how much the concept of consensus reality applies to the Warhammer world, if it does at all, is a matter of both IC and OOC debate, so there's no real way to map out cause-and-effect in advance)
Not on its own. If the Under-Empire shatters or dissolves as a result to the extent that none of the resultant fragments can be considered a continuation or an inheritor of the Under-Empire, then it could be possible.
No.
but then we cant have a secret tunnel from our penthouse to the
- Location
- Edmonton
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Why not the Grand Record of Karag Nar?
Look, we have the hat, we could have a museum, then if we get a whip.
we could be...
...Mathilde-iana Jones
welcome back, hope my keeping up of the arguments has help a little with the stress of looking through that knightmare thread posts number.
- Location
- UK
For the library, are we thinking of making it open to the public (ignoring restricted subjects of course)?
I was thinking a good way we could do that is make the library have two parts/structures, one the actual library and a second equal chamber which would basically be a massive interactive MAP enchantment.
Every day a MAP illusionary copy of the library and all its books would be made in the public chamber, where people could freely drag the illusion copy out of a shelf and go read on a table.
Basically this would mean it would be one of the most massive libraries in the world which anyone can freely visit and read in because the librarians don't need to protect the books/vet people to make sure the books aren't mistreated. It would be the perfect public library.
Only problem is I'm not sure if we could easily make the MAP building sized enchantment easily interactive for non-wizards, but for an enchantment as opposed to a spell I'm sure it's possible.
As the MAP just copies the private part of the library it would automatically update too, and maybe with runes or magic the books could be made longer lasting.
How viable/beneficial does this seem?
I was thinking a good way we could do that is make the library have two parts/structures, one the actual library and a second equal chamber which would basically be a massive interactive MAP enchantment.
Every day a MAP illusionary copy of the library and all its books would be made in the public chamber, where people could freely drag the illusion copy out of a shelf and go read on a table.
Basically this would mean it would be one of the most massive libraries in the world which anyone can freely visit and read in because the librarians don't need to protect the books/vet people to make sure the books aren't mistreated. It would be the perfect public library.
Only problem is I'm not sure if we could easily make the MAP building sized enchantment easily interactive for non-wizards, but for an enchantment as opposed to a spell I'm sure it's possible.
As the MAP just copies the private part of the library it would automatically update too, and maybe with runes or magic the books could be made longer lasting.
How viable/beneficial does this seem?
- Pronouns
- He/Him
No worries mate. I've dealt with far more brusque GMs.
Be as testy as you want, might even help people who can't get the hint to not ask questions that can't be answered or have obvious answers.
That section of the Tome of Salvation written from the perspective of a mundane University of Nuln professor. Compared to Loremaster Teclis, he can be expected to know approximately nothing of the true metaphysical nature of the gods, or indeed the wider history of the world. Realm of Sorcery says this about the Mystery of the Gods, 'GMs should bear in mind that no priest, cleric, or good citizen of the Empire would associate the Realm of Chaos or the hells of the Dark Gods with the Divine Realms of the Empire's more wholesome Gods (unless of course the citizen is a Wizard or a Chaos Cultist). Few would think that good Gods and bad Gods come into existence and reside in the same metaphysical plane.' This is a very rare OOC statement to the GM.
It's explicitly stated that someone like the IC author of that passage in tome of Salvation would be unaware of this.
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this is a cool idea, but It would probs be something we will have to do in our own time and AP after its made, if its possible.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Dang, hope things calm down a smidge for you.
@BoneyM Are there protocols for descendants of those absorbed into a clan to split off into the original?
Given how long it's been that might be a bit problematic, but something like going through the genealogies, finding how many dwarves can be said to have strong links back to that clan, and asking for volunteers to go reestablish it?
Or in a situation like this would Belegar effectively, put a call out saying runesmiths wanted space and cool stuff available?
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@BoneyM Are there protocols for descendants of those absorbed into a clan to split off into the original?
Given how long it's been that might be a bit problematic, but something like going through the genealogies, finding how many dwarves can be said to have strong links back to that clan, and asking for volunteers to go reestablish it?
Or in a situation like this would Belegar effectively, put a call out saying runesmiths wanted space and cool stuff available?
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
I don't think there are protocols for this. Remember, this is pretty much the first successful retaking of a Karak in history.
- Location
- Leeds
Imagine the Bursars of the future: "Mathildes been dead for fifty years and fish still keep jumping on her boat."
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Luminous
God Save The Queen
- Location
- Victoria, BC, Canada
I very much like this idea. I very much like this idea a lot.
- Location
- Norway
I wouldn't expect the High Elf to know significantly more about the spoon-eared gods, though.
- Location
- Chicago
- Pronouns
- She/They
I'm really not very interested in those places, and I'm pretty happy with the lab setup we've spent a ton of money and favor on already.
I do like the idea of library plus sanctuary for scholarship combo- I think it gets both the saftey net for wizards with the 'thing for us' asks.
Can I say how much I love this? I love this a lot. Nobel prize for literature except Romance is defined as the pre-eminent genre of fiction. Awesome.
