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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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@BoneyM the plain of bones (a massive bone yard were dragons used to go to lay down and die when they got old) is near one of the new trade roads eight peaks opens up would it be possible to set up an extraction operation in the plain of bones between the various magical and flying assets the collages of magic have (collage favors + collage interest) + dwarven gyrocopters(dwarf favor) + maps made by various traders who have plied that road (gold)

cause there is enough in the boneyard to equip every single mage in collage with a dragon bone staff or whatever else the want to make with the stuff that the collages of magic might even foot the bill for the project so long as we provide the dwarve favor
 
Abhorsen said:
I like the idea, but Dwarven population gain is something Belegar already wants to happen, but can't figure out how. Making him work harder at it might not be a good idea, and definitely won't result in the problem being solved faster.
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What exactly is the issue with Warhammer dwarves and population growth? Is there something making it difficult?

Come to think of it, I wonder if there's any way to fix the gender ratio in future generations.
 
primemountain said:
Wow. That's what you mean by Transcendant Favor @BoneyM ? Anything? We should worry more how it might break the Karak? Holy shit.
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So Mat could ask Belegar to give the EIC a monopoly in trading with the Spider Silk, not among dwarves, but among human traders in K8Ps? Like, she could ask him to, among non-dwarves, only sell the silk to the EIC, and he'd try to do that?

Because that would be insane. East India Trading company levels of insane. Mat needs to go and negotiate for the ownership to have a sole majority of the EIC levels of insane. Major economic leverage in the hands of patriots levels of insane.

It would make of the EIC a rival to fucking Marienburgh.

I mean, we still don't have a real deal with the Spiders over it, but still. That would be one golden goose. And money is power. Think of all the good you could do with an economic juggernaut like that. We'd need an internal review board before we even tried something like that, but after it?

That's one way to make creepy merchants that trade with chaos/vampires fuck right off. And attract the attention of every greedy git, guild and infiltrator from all around the Empire. As well as every patriotic merchant in the land.

Hell with "Friends In High Places: The EIC likes to cultivate relationships with Elector Counts and other local rulers. ", with more gold, the EIC might even help with the whole clusterfuck of ruling if only to cultivate friendly relationships and help ensure the economic long term health of the Empire.
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I like this idea. Scruge McDuck for the win!
 
Here's another (risky) boon option: ask our Patriarch and Supreme Patriarch if they have any suggestions.

Also, people keep talking about how Belegar can't order Kragg around, but forget that there are other options that AREN'T Living Ancestors that he CAN order around.
 
TaliesinSkye said:
What exactly is the issue with Warhammer dwarves and population growth? Is there something making it difficult?

Come to think of it, I wonder if there's any way to fix the gender ratio in future generations.
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Depression. They have ONLY four children each, which happens to be the replacement rate, because they think they're all doomed and they shouldn't bring new souls to deal with this cruel world if they didn't have to do so to meet their Duty.

So they have the bare minimum.
On the other hand, the very cheerful Kazador proves that theres no biological issue with doing so.
 
We could use our Boon to have Belegar secure the Liber Mortis.

Maybe develop a Runic method of exploiting the Second Secret, which would have the big advantage of allowing us to trust Runesmiths as opposed to trusting Wizards.
 
Shard said:
We could use our Boon to have Belegar secure the Liber Mortis.

Maybe develop a Runic method of exploiting the Second Secret, which would have the big advantage of allowing us to trust Runesmiths as opposed to trusting Wizards.
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...again, keep in mind that Belegar already secures the Liber Mortis on nothing more than "Mathilde asked me to". We're using the royal treasury.

And the Second Secret involves Dhar, which is not a thing that any of their runes work with at any point. Its like trying to paint with a chainsaw. Second Secret is a Dhar specific resonance trick.
 
Lupercal said:
Dragomas and the other leaders of the colleges just are not interested.
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We don't know that yet. And I don't think Mathilde has been in tune sufficiently with internal College Politics to know how much buy-in she might be able to get from the College was she to go down that route. I do assume though there is a demand for a Wizard base in the Karaz Ankor or another secure well-fortified location away from the Empire, and this demand is so far unmet because of the political obstacles of securing such an outpost in the Karaz Ankor. How big this is, is something I think Mathilde needs to interact with the College more to figure out - she probably isn't in any position to conclude about it's size, merely that it's enough that Journeymen from every college bar the Light College are being thrown her way, enough that she knows of many Magisters who made their name in one feat or another beyond the borders of the Empire.
 
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There's no real reason to use the boon right now. Why not leave the Boon for a rainy day?


A further argument for this stance is that in a few years Karak Eight Peaks will be stronger so it shall be better able to fulfil the boon without breaking or weakening itself than it is now.

Now if there's a great artefact or a political situation that requires intervention that would be a reason to use the boon early but as it stands we haven't even used up the dwarf favours yet.



Actually to move away from the boon talk - what should we do with the almost three score favours we've got?
 
On a slightly different note how are we planning to feed our spiders now that we have secured 8 peaks? Are they planning on moving ahead and migrating?
 
Andmeuths said:
We don't know that yet. And I don't think Mathilde has been in tune sufficiently with internal College Politics to know how much buy-in she might be able to get from the College was she to go down that route. I do assume though there is a demand for a Wizard base in the Karaz Ankor, and this demand is so far unmet because of the political obstacles of securing such an outpost in the Karaz Ankor. How big this is, is something I think Mathilde needs to interact with the College more to figure out - she probably isn't in any position to conclude about it's size, merely that it's enough that Journeymen from every college bar the Light College are being thrown her way, enough that she knows of many Magisters who made their name in one feat or another beyond the borders of the Empire.
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We have had explicit Word of BoneyM on this the last time it came up.
 
I can't say I'm a fan of the idea of us having Belegar order his subjects to have lots of children. Seems... ethically questionable.

The idea about having a standing agreement that we can call upon K8P dwarfs to be our personal retinue whenever we strongly need them seems more sensible
 
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Zero Gravitas said:
Actually to move away from the boon talk - what should we do with the almost three score favours we've got?
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Spend it on Esoteric books :V
Jedij4 said:
On a slightly different note how are we planning to feed our spiders now that we have secured 8 peaks? Are they planning on moving ahead and migrating?
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It's an excellent question that we will have to deal with at some point. Obvious options are the Karak Drazh Underway, the various unmapped depths, or providing them with livestock of their own. I prefer a solution that allows them to continue as hunters for as long as possible, on the heuristic of "don't radically alter someone's lifestyle while you're uplifting them; uplift them and then let them decide."
 
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TaliesinSkye said:
What exactly is the issue with Warhammer dwarves and population growth? Is there something making it difficult?

Come to think of it, I wonder if there's any way to fix the gender ratio in future generations.
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The problem is that dwarves reproduce at an average rate of 1 female dwarf per couple. This isn't sustainable. A similar situation would be if humans reproced at 2 people per family.
 
It occurs to me that as our 'default' Boon we might write in our will, the Birthrate thing would be best.
Its something Mathilde just couldn't imagine saying, but if we died and the Boon needs to be spent...well its something to remember her by xD
 
primemountain said:
Here's a Transcendental boon idea:
"The world could use more dwarves. More fine craftsmen and stubborn beards. It's a duty for you no? So allow me to lay it on you King of Eight Peaks. One day, perhaps long after I have passed from this world, I want these mountains to ring with the laughter of manling, halfling and dawi children. Maybe even a few spiderlings or Elgi brats. I want there to be so many of them, that each of the peaks rings with it."
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Okay, look.... This makes me feel gross and I think we need to back off from it.

People should have as many children as they want to have, dwarves including. It makes me deeply uncomfortable to think that Mathilde has any right to be poking about in people's reproductive habits.
 
Briefvoice said:
Okay, look.... This makes me feel gross and I think we need to back off from it.

People should have as many children as they want to have, dwarves including. It makes me deeply uncomfortable to think that Mathilde has any right to be poking about in people's reproductive habits.
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I think it'd be struck out because Mathilde cannot imagine saying that with anyone listening. Not even Belegar.

Writing it and leaving it to be discovered later at best :p
 
Pinf said:
Just ask Belegar to rename Karak Eight Peaks to Karak Eight Mathildes. There, everyone is happy.
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Maybe not that extreme, we're not that vain.

Perhaps just a modest formal renaming to Karak Eight Peaks, brought to you by Dame Thane Master Zhufokri Magister Mathilde Weber, The Dämmerlichtreiter, Sängerkritisch, Dawongr, Azrildrekked; the Queen of the Silvery Depths.
 
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Briefvoice said:
Okay, look.... This makes me feel gross and I think we need to back off from it.

People should have as many children as they want to have, dwarves including. It makes me deeply uncomfortable to think that Mathilde has any right to be poking about in people's reproductive habits.
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Agreed that it's not really Mathilde's place to use it as a boon.

As the King's advisor she could suggest policies that encourage people to want to have more children, though. The real world offers plenty of examples. King Belegar could offer a variety of perks, from things like preference for the most desirable housing to state sponsored child care assistance to cash subsidies. Figure out why dwarves are reticent to have children and then offer public policy measures to help. It makes a difference.

Given the sudden availability of plentiful housing space and work and the safety offered by Eight Peaks it actually wouldn't surprise me if there's a natural baby and immigration boom without doing anything more.
 
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You know, if we go for he "retinue we can call upon anytime" Boon, we can have a Dwarf herald with us whose job it will be to read out our many titles. In fact, we can have a whole troupe. Imagine us going to some Elector Count's court and a bunch of Dwarves doing musical accompanement and throwing flowers at our feet!
 
Curveball

Mathilde has an invite to elvish lands yeah, so why not use that (after finishing the research) and win some elfy favor

Then use the boon later (possibly with whatever favor we curry with the elves) to try and bring peace between the races.
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Best way to support the empire, is to support civilization both Dawi and Asur.

It's definitely not because we already got sweet dwarf swag and being human allows easy aquisition of human swag and having sweet sweet swag from every order aligned race would be awesome (shoves maps of lustria back under desk along with lists of possible dino mounts)
 
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