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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Mopman43 said:
It's cheap in terms of 'the literal cost of a fish', but it's potentially expensive in terms of 'somebody needs to kill a fish at every single one of these little piles of rocks, every week'.

Mostly it depends on how many of these piles we need and how close those piles are to, say, a fort or coaching inn where it could be relatively easily arranged through people's ordinary schedules.
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mathymancer said:
Add it to the duties of the Riverwardens? Shouldn't be too big of a hassle, and they can eat the fish at the end of "fish-duty".
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Personally, when I read the update I was thinking myself and others might like the the Jade method more purely because it lacks the need for maintenance (and the spirit method might make some people argue as to which god or which spirit to use in some rivers), but looking at it that way, it doesn't seem like that huge an ask. It'd only really be a problem for a) safe places that might get overrun by gribblies and b) safe places where people started thinking of it as a silly superstition and nobody was around to tell them 'this is literally warding off evil magic'. And if b) is more of a concern than a) then you can always remind them.

Then again, it does put a good chunk of creating the regular waystones on the Hedgewise. Is that more of a problem, or an opportunity?

Humbaba said:
The issue is not that we can't keep putting off the Elfcation. We can put off literally everything for as long as we want. The issue is that a lot of us don't actually want to put it off any longer.
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This is very true. It'd be extremely cool, and now that we've finished Branarhune it would be a great time to do it.

Humbaba said:
Ork hunting will cost at least 2 actions between the action itself and integrating the Bretonnians. The benefits are nebulous at best given the progress the project has made. It actually goes against narrative indications of how Mathilde is starting to actively think about in terms of our relationship with them.
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The benefits are actually quite clear: on top of help with the Bretonnia map or getting introduced to Athel Loren, we would also be confirming or deconfirming that the Lady is Ranald's other Daughter. She's currently our strongest lead for this, and confirming this in the same turn as exploring the Forest of Shadows nexus would be very efficient.

Nerdasaurus Rex said:
How dare you Boney, how dare you.

Really?

I can't believe you've done this to us.

How dare you.
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HOLY SHIT. The Eonir are Scottish! It all makes sense now.
 
mathymancer said:
The upkeep is cheap - apparently you can eat the fish after you sacrifice it, so it costs approximately nothing as long as someone is fishing anyway - but this could cause problems if some disaster disrupts society so much that no one can go to the river and kill a fish for a whole week. Not something that's going to happen often, but I could see an Everchosen invasion maybe doing it, and this is the Dhar part of the river leyline, disrupting it means Dhar builds up in our Waystones. Definitely a problem we'll need to consider, I imagine it'll come up when we start building Waystone prototypes.
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Disruption might not be a huge issue if you can re-enable the rocks with another fish after the charge has expired. If it breaks the link entirely, that's a bit more problematic.

Nerdasaurus Rex said:
How dare you Boney, how dare you.

Really?

I can't believe you've done this to us.

How dare you.
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I literally just read that section again and realised Niseag looked like Nessie - I hadn't realised it was a direct translation!
 
Boney said:
"Well, that complicates things. Johann, can you identify the other contributor to the alloy?" He shakes his head. "How many metals can you recognize on sight?"

"All of the Classical and Dwarven metals."
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That's a lot of ingredients for the alloy.
Boney said:
You resist the urge to correct this accidental promotion, and ignore Horstman's vaguely betrayed expression
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FTFY
Boney said:
"Would a rope on the riverbed be safe from Umgi predation?" Sarvoi asks with a cheeky grin.

"Maybe from Umgi hands, but not from Umgi anchors."
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Curse those Umgi and their irrational hatred of ropes.
 
Parabola said:
Well. Actually, Boney once said the accent would be more like Australian due to the Eonir's isolation.

But it'd be really funny to pretend it's both a Scottish and an Australian accent at once.
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What ever it is, it's an abomination of an accent, and we should be ashamed for allowing her to learn it. I mean really, Grey College corrupted Lothern dialect with an Eonir accent? What were we thinking?
 
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Ulthuan Elf arriving in the empire, and seeing all these scotish-australian speaking mages walking around "...The curse of Aenarion is real...what have you done Teclis"
 
It's way, way too early to start seriously considering plans for next turn, given we're only half-way through this one, but the idea of Elfcation next turn, with three WEBMAT actions to keep progress going:

* Go with Johann and/or Max for Titanmetal negotiations
* Learn High Nehekharan with Egrimm for a followup there in short order,
* and maybe a mapping action or just Lustrian Rubbings/Windfall Paper for the third

That sounds kinda appealing? It does leave the rest of the team in limbo for a turn meaning they'd all need to be put to action the following turn which I think is right when the AV/Morbs stuff becomes available again. So that's awkward.
 
Gavin Prince said:
It's way, way too early to start seriously considering plans for next turn, given we're only half-way through this one, but the idea of Elfcation next turn, with three WEBMAT actions to keep progress going:

* Go with Johann and/or Max for Titanmetal negotiations
* Learn High Nehekharan with Egrimm for a followup there in short order,
* and maybe a mapping action or just Lustrian Rubbings/Windfall Paper for the third

That sounds kinda appealing? It does leave the rest of the team in limbo for a turn meaning they'd all need to be put to action the following turn which I think is right when the AV/Morbs stuff becomes available again. So that's awkward.
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I'm not at all positive that going off to the Mountains of Mourn or Cathay is a one-AP action.

The travel time alone...
 
I think we have to bring Eike on the Elfcation now, if only just to see the Elves' reaction to this girl whose native language is Reikspiel speaking in Australian/Scottish-accented Eltharin. I want to see the horror on their smug faces.
 
Mopman43 said:
We'd need a hell of a lot of piles of rocks for it to effect the population beyond the usual 'people are living in that area and fishing'.

...Salmon are seasonal, right? Spawn upstream, living the rest of the year downstream? Are trout seasonal at all?
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Salmon live most of their lives in the ocean besides when they spawn. Trout live closer to the sea as adults then move up stream to spawn.
So similar issues with both.

Trout are probably fine to use, salmon would be more seasonal.
 
Mopman43 said:
I'm not at all positive that going off to the Mountains of Mourn or Cathay is a one-AP action.

The travel time alone...
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Well if it's a two-AP action, making it WEBMAT makes even more sense. Just drop the flex slot, make it [ ] EGRIMM: Learn Nehekharan/Windfall paper, and [ ][ ] Titanmetal Negotiations with the Golds

It being a 2-3AP action means the thread-minimum of 2-3 waystones actions/turn is met with that alone. That's almost better than the alternative.
 
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Glau said:
Ok... But, like, this is super vulnerable to feints. Most of what I do fighting shields is try to get them to overcommit to pushing their shield out and then taking the opening created. The further away from the body, the more openings, and the slower the recovery.

So I might just be missing something, but this feels like an academic rather than a practitioner viewpoint.
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Ok... But, like, the whole point of feints is that if you can bait your opponent into a mistake you can capitalize on it. Just about any defensive technique in combat (other than backing away) is useless if the practitioner falls for a feint and has no fallback for if it turns out to be, in fact, a feint. And what I'm describing isn't some move of a haymaker punch with the shield, you can exert more than enough force to hurt an opponent just by keeping the arm extended and taking one step forward, and perhaps adding a twist of the hips depending on the exact angle of the strike you are intercepting.

You're not pushing your shield out with this, it remains roughly the same distance from your body. And even if you made to deliberately punch from that position with your shield, it's not going to be more than maybe an inch or two further away from the body than it was previously, unless you're saying your shield-using opponents were cocking their arms back for the strike.

But ultimately, there is no technique that has no flaw. Anything you do in a fight can conceivably be exploited by an opponent, especially a more skilled one.
 
Just a thought (I don't know if anyone else has noted it yet). The big ass cannons the Ogre Kingdoms have are made of titan make. Would those work as a source for the Capstones? If we need to test for sources?
 
Gavin Prince said:
Well if it's a two-AP action, making it WEBMAT makes even more sense. Just drop the flex slot, make it [ ] EGRIMM: Learn Nehekharan/Windfall paper, and [ ][ ] Titanmetal Negotiations with the Golds

It being a 2-3AP action means the thread-minimum of 2-3 waystones actions/turn is met with that alone. That's almost better than the alternative.
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We don't actually need titan-metal, we've developed three alternatives that don't use it. Besides, any usable titan-metal would have to come through the darklands, and that runs the risk of attracting the Chaos Dwarves.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
We don't actually need titan-metal, we've developed three alternatives that don't use it. Besides, any usable titan-metal would have to come through the darklands, and that runs the risk of attracting the Chaos Dwarves.
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An advantage of titanmetal, though, is that its acquisition is entirely mundane. There are existing trade routes to the East where adding a wagon of precious metal isn't actually adding any more attractiveness to the caravan than the silks they're carrying already do.

It's something that once negotiated can be left entirely in the hands of the Empire's existing bureaucracy, who can amass a sufficient stockpile to see through any disruptions.
 
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weeblypanda said:
Just a thought (I don't know if anyone else has noted it yet). The big ass cannons the Ogre Kingdoms have are made of titan make. Would those work as a source for the Capstones? If we need to test for sources?
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Ideally what we want is a sample of unchanged metal that they haven't melted down and reused, that seems pretty unlikely, but if we could get some and have Johann get a look at it we could probably reverse engineer it fairly well.
The issue is that if it has been melted down Johan is probably just going to get what ever way the Ogres did that instead.

That and it's definitely not safe to try breach the unknown on the samples we know are from waystones.
 
Gavin Prince said:
An advantage of titanmetal, though, is that its acquisition is entirely mundane. There are existing trade routes to the East where adding a wagon of precious metal isn't actually adding any more attractiveness to the caravan than the silks they're carrying already do.

It's something that once negotiated can be left entirely in the hands of the Empire's existing bureaucracy.
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It does add weight to the caravan though, which means the caravan master has to either buy an extra caravan, or throw out his silk, and if he's buying an extra caravan he might as well as fill that with silk as well, because silk will always be more profitable.

Especially considering that we have a replacement that a half trained apprentice runesmith can churn out. It's a whole load of expense and danger for a resource we don't actually need.

We're not trying to recreate a golden age waystone exactly as they were—we're trying to make modern day versions that are mass producible using the skills and resources currently available. Buying a rare metal that has to be looted from the ruins of an ancient civilisation that then has to be transported through one of the most dangerous landscapes in the world isn't really that viable.
 
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