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Pistols: She was taught to wield her grandmother's weapon of choice from a young age. +1 Martial
All right, so we know one of the ??? is Greatswords.

With the remaining two... unless she also studied a different weapon, could just be two different kinds of Strategy or Tactics? Probably nothing completed, but a 1/3 or 2/3?
 
@Boney thank you for the update. It was very fun to see Eike's skills developing in real time and her interactions with Mathilde. If her name really is spelled Ike, I think it'd be ironic considering she's using a greatsword.
and when you turn your full attention back to the matter you've only just developed enough skill to threaten an untrained child. Luckily for you, there is just such a child available to match this level of ability.

Or so you thought.
I find it interesting that Mathilde considers the 14 year old a child when the Empire supposedly considers 11 year olds adults. There's really no sidestepping that 14 year olds are not fully grown adults and they're closer to a child, physically, than an adult, so it makes sense. What you would consider to be an adult socially is not an adult physically.

Also, deserved for Mathilde to get slammed for her hubris. She shouldn't have underestimated EIke.
"Okay, Apprentice," you say as your training sword clatters across the room for the third time. "It's time to talk about which extracurriculars you took back at Altdorf."

She lowers her sword from the point-out guard that had looked awkward right up until you tried to hit her. "Well, it wasn't Greatswording exactly, Master," she says. "The Carroburg Greatswords weren't willing to spare someone just to train one person. But Oma was able to organize someone from Bergo Academy to train me in the basics of the spadone."
It's been so long since the last updates that I forgot if Mathilde and Eike were doing the "Apprentice/Master" thing and if I had called it out before. I probably have. It feels a bit jarring considering we knew her before she became our apprentice, but Mathilde's being professional here. I don't exactly remember if Regimand and Mathilde were doing the same thing or if they had already gone into first name basis when she'd become a Journeywoman.

Also, for those who don't know, Bergo Academy is an institution around Altdorf made by a Tilean swordsman dedicated to teaching primarily noble children the art of the blade. Really, it's more of a trending thing for noble children to learn the art of the blade, it's not like most of them end up using it since most end up as cavalry riders, but it's a social status thing. It must have been pretty expensive for Wilhelmina to hire a private tutor from such a prestigous institution, but she's got the money for it.

I can't help but find it very cute how earnest Eike is. She clearly idolises Mathilde to a certain extent, I don't think she would go to the Carroburg Greatswords to ask for training otherwise, but it definitely caught me offguard how much she idolises her. It's also a reminder of how atypical Mathilde's situation is that she managed to get adopted into the Stirland Greatswords. It's not exactly easy to get them to teach you greatsword techniques just because you approached them. It was an awkward and sometimes humiliating endeavour for Mathilde.
"Not exclusively, Master, the sweeping is for the killing strike with the stercke, after a parry or flick with the schweche. But yes, that's the style."

With a sliver of willpower you surround yourself in Aethyric Armour. "Demonstrate."

To her credit, she doesn't hesitate, and you have only a moment to wonder whether that's due to trust in you, or her intuitive Windsight telling her it's safe to do so. She batters her way past your offhanded guard, flicks the tip of your blade across your face - that would have taken at least an eye in actual combat - and then whirls into an underhand swing that connects with your gut hard enough to send you a step backwards, and you smile to yourself as the next stage of practice starts to look a lot more interesting.
I assume Eike's instincts are honed enough to tell that Mathilde is safe, and besides, I think Eike has heard enough stories to know that Mathilde is a lot tougher than she looks. No way Mathilde was willing to let Eike land a "killing strike" without assurance.

In regards to the actual practice, I'm happy that Mathilde isn't insecure about her own skills and status that she would get upset that she's being bonked by her apprentice. Someone insecure in their own abilities would give up their offhand practice and beat up their apprentice to make sure they "know their place", but Mathilde is more than happy to let Eike show her abilities and even finds enjoyment in having a skilled opponent.
[Eike studying the blade: Martial, 47+10+10(Library: Greatswords)=67.]

A week of training allows you to get the measure of Eike's ability with a blade, and if she's not quite at the level you were when you joined the Karak Eight Peaks Expedition, she probably soon will be, as you find her spending a fair amount of her free time in drills and delving into your books on the subject. Certainly good enough to leave a few bruises on you when you face her wielding a two-handed blade in just your offhand.
Eike is, as usual, very earnest and sincere. She seems to hyperfocus on something when given the opportunity until she gets it. She's kind of like Max in that regard, where if you give him a job he seems to diligently work on it until he's grasped it. She's a very good apprentice. I like her.
It occurs to you that what you're trying to achieve is very much like one of the advantages of a two-weapon style, but the only two-weapon styles you have access to are the sword-and-dagger style of Tilean duelists and the dual axe techniques of the Slayers, neither of which align with what you're hoping to achieve here. Dual sword styles would likely be much more useful, but the only ones you're even vaguely aware of are those of the Wardancers of Athel Loren and the Shadow-walkers of Nagarythe, neither of which are currently accessible to you. So you press on and do your best to develop from scratch what you're sure they've already mastered.
I'm sure we can get a demonstration or two in Nagarythe when we take our elfcation, but I believe we'll already have our style hammered out by then. It doesn't hurt to look at more fighting styles though. Could help us out in honing some of our less elegant strokes in our swording.
you bring in your Apprentice once more, and though she adapts impressively fast and manages to reliably parry at least the first two swings of any given flurry, that it's impossible to judge the arc of a swing before the sword appears means that it's not something that she can maintain.
Eike continues to surprise me with her skills. She's very impressive at her age. She must have spent a lot of time honing her skills.
Before long you've move on to more skilled opponents, and find that while some of most skilled of the Undumgi and Ulrikadrin are able to develop counters to the technique, they're only able to do so after they're exposed to and defeated by it several times - a learning opportunity that you don't intend to offer to any of those who might find themselves on the wrong side of Branulhune. You're very pleased with yourself as you take notes and sketches of the drills you've developed.
It's a good thing most people aren't going around studying snippets of information from afar about some weird sword style that only one moderately famous swordswoman practices to come up with a countermeasure. This isn't exactly a shonene anime. If it was, I'd be a little less assured on how well our style holds up in the long run.

Either way, I think our sword style is mostly complete. I don't have strong opinions on Guard Bypass or Double Tap, so I'll let the thread sort it out. I don't have much insightful commentary on that aspect.
 
It has not been asked in precisely that context, but from previous posts I think it would not do nearly as much as one might hope as the canon part of canon sword only works when you are using is in melee.

And in terms of throwing a weapon I just don't see a thrown sword (sans canon part) being that dangerous or effective.

Cmon gang i already addressed this in my post's original caveats. I know it isnt practical, but the Rune of the Unknown lets you End Them Rightly without having to unscrew your pommel or even walk over and pick it back up. Thats worth the AP's weight in gold i swear
 
With the remaining two... unless she also studied a different weapon, could just be two different kinds of Strategy or Tactics? Probably nothing completed, but a 1/3 or 2/3?
I would bet one skill is riding, she seemed to know her way around a horse when she visited K8P. A different weapon she could have studied might be axes, maybe she picked that up in her time with Kazrik (she did walk away from that encounter with a small axe as a souvenir, after all).
 
@Boney Assuming we vote just for one option here and assuming we somehow run out of self improvement options at some point in the future, will we be able, at that hypothetical point in the future go back to the second option?

The more I try to figure out how we'd reach a point where there's no other imaginable way for Mathilde to improve herself, the more deeply haunting that scenario seems.

@Boney
Would the developed fighting style be valuable as a book? I mean a the for the Rune Of The Unknown. A full book for the sword would be only valuable for whoever inherit it.

It'd be writable as a book, how valuable it might be (and therefore whether Mathilde should take the time to write it) is for the thread to judge.
 
[X] Guard bypass
[X] Double-tap

Absolutely not both, we have shit to do.
(I got caught up in reading HEMA lesson notes and trying to find a translation of Opera Nova dell'Arte delle Armi before I realized how very diminishing those returns were going to be and decided that Tileans fight with a greatsword like Ezio does)
I also got super into HEMA like ten years back. Fun fact: did you know that one of the classic sword manuals was written by a dude with Mathilde's sense of comedy?

No, seriously. One of the earliest swordsmanship manuals we have is from a guy named Fiore dei Liberi, writing around 1410. It is one of the primary sources from which we know what European combat of the Middle Ages was like. It is called Fior di Battaglia, the Flower of Battle, which is a pun on his given name.

Puns? Naming stuff after yourself? Was SV piloting that guy's life too?
 
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I think shadow sword style would be necessarily very different from Branulhune, because of momentum issues. Branalhune has all the momentum of a bloody canonball. A shadow sword would be, I presume, almost weightless, so very small momentum.
That means that Branulhune can make big slashes that carve through bones, but a shadow sword swing would barely penetrate. I imagine a shadow sword user would want to use a style more similar to fencing, with an emphasis on thrusts that you can put your weight behind.
Branulhune develops its incredibile momentum at the point of impact, meaning it swings like a (shorter) greatsword (made of gromril) in the air. Except that we can make it disappear in between and only need to hit the enemy with enough personal force to convey to the rune that we are trying to be aggressive.

Shadow Swords would by default be like the Shadow Knives it is based on. Meaning that it completely ignores non-magical armor and probably carves through flesh like a monomolecular blade. Meaning it too needs minimal weight and momentum behind it to do horrendous damage to a non-magical enemy.

We could probably make an even scarier Shadow Sword spell if we learn Okkam's Mindrazor first, which creates blades that strike at souls directly and don't care about matter at all. But even I don't think that it would be worth learning capstone difficulty battle magic just for that.
All right, so we know one of the ??? is Greatswords.

With the remaining two... unless she also studied a different weapon, could just be two different kinds of Strategy or Tactics? Probably nothing completed, but a 1/3 or 2/3?
Isn't one necessarily athletics since it's a prerequisite for greatswords?
it's not like most of them end up using it since most end up as cavalry riders
You might just be paraphrasing canon, but any pitched battle has a good chance of a knight getting dismounted during enemy contact. They better know how to use their offhand weapon in that case. Same goes for when they have to enter buildings containing hostiles for any reason.
 
I really wanna vote for both, but AP hell has cometh. And we have a lot of other improvements stuff we need to do

[X] Guard bypass
 
With the remaining two... unless she also studied a different weapon, could just be two different kinds of Strategy or Tactics? Probably nothing completed, but a 1/3 or 2/3?
Pistols, maybe?
Really, it's more of a trending thing for noble children to learn the art of the blade, it's not like most of them end up using it since most end up as cavalry riders,
Have to disagree with you here. While swords are not the primary weapons for imperial cavalry, they are a very popular sidearm and out of 4 main types (knights with lances, knights with other weapons, pistoliers and outriders) 3 can be expected to use the sidearm quite often. Lances can break or get stuck in bodies, pistols are one shot each and take a lot of time to reload and whatever contraption outruders use this day is extremly likely to be very poorly suited to melee.
On top of that, cavalry dismounting and fighting on foot is also a fairly common scenario, like in sieges or in forest fighting. Lastly, I am pretty sure duels are a thing in the Empire and they are very likely to be fought with swords. So, no, those skills, assuming they actually get them, would be quite useful for most of thise people.

Sorry for the wall, got a bit carried away.
 
I REALLY LOVE double tap, but sadly I feel like I'd have to vote for the guard bypass because it would be more useful for whoever follows in our footsteps and I feel like that's the more important thing to add another notch to the Mathilde "been everywhere done everything" Webber.

[X] Guard bypass

sorry double tap, but It's for the meme.
 
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Cmon gang i already addressed this in my post's original caveats. I know it isnt practical, but the Rune of the Unknown lets you End Them Rightly without having to unscrew your pommel or even walk over and pick it back up. Thats worth the AP's weight in gold i swear
It was discussed in days of yore and the results were that:
-Greatswords are not a very aerodynamic shape, it is very unlikely to fly straight or far, and is likely to rotate unpredictably mid flight simply owing to air resistance.
-Kragg's rune only conveys the force on impact, it does absolutely nothing for distance thrown.
-Kragg's rune only conveys the force on a proper strike, if the blade rotates mid-throw to hit with any non-striking surface then it will only hit with the force of a thrown piece of metal.

Also Mathilde can teleport, so she's better off throwing Shadow Knives, saying "Nothing Personal kid" and then appearing behind them with a Greatsword.

It's a good thing most people aren't going around studying snippets of information from afar about some weird sword style that only one moderately famous swordswoman practices to come up with a countermeasure.
Mmm, Master Assassins(Druchii or Skaven) and Daemons might, but that'd require that the information get out there first, and that they're already after our ass.
 
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