Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Since the shadow warriors got brought up: I do wonder whether we should try to carve out some time for the elfcation after the current slate of turns is done?
I think the current plan is to do Iron Orcs -> Morbs, but maybe once that's done we should just go for it?
We probably want to do the Elfcation before Ulthuan shows up regarding the project if we can help it - there's a chance that we can get some useful connections/rep, and on the flip side there's a chance that if the negotiations go poorly the elfcation wouldn't go nearly as well afterwards.
I think the current plan is to do Iron Orcs -> Morbs, but maybe once that's done we should just go for it?
We probably want to do the Elfcation before Ulthuan shows up regarding the project if we can help it - there's a chance that we can get some useful connections/rep, and on the flip side there's a chance that if the negotiations go poorly the elfcation wouldn't go nearly as well afterwards.
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Adding to the AP hell of Druchii and Skaven and Daemon would be a win in its own right.
I give non-zero odds for the Iron Orcs to give us that last skill point in scouting, which iirc was one of the things people wanted for Elfcation, so if that happens we would be in a good position to go stab Druchii. If we morb on turn 43 I suppose we could Elfcate on turn 44, which would be an overwork turn.
We have that? We've got tributaries, and this turn will be the first roll-outs.
Personally I'm not at all enthused about Mathilde spending time (and considerable risk) trying to bring in the Damsels when at the moment we have absolutely no indication there's any need for them. I'd much rather spend the time actually progressing. At least wait until we hit a roadblock before trying to find a fresh perspective.
As for going to Nagarythe, while I think it would definitely be cool, I'm not sure how useful it would be for the project. I remember Boney made it clear they're pretty singleminded and stuff that might be useful for it really isn't in their wheelhouse when I thought it might help before.
Though what they might be helpful for is something like if Ulthuan was stonewalling on the passphrases, and Mathilde gave a hint that their ancient enemies were making a pitch. Then they might tell the other kingdoms to get with the program and hand them over, just out of spite for the Druchii. That would be a delicate maneuver to try to pull off though.
As for going to Nagarythe, while I think it would definitely be cool, I'm not sure how useful it would be for the project. I remember Boney made it clear they're pretty singleminded and stuff that might be useful for it really isn't in their wheelhouse when I thought it might help before.
Though what they might be helpful for is something like if Ulthuan was stonewalling on the passphrases, and Mathilde gave a hint that their ancient enemies were making a pitch. Then they might tell the other kingdoms to get with the program and hand them over, just out of spite for the Druchii. That would be a delicate maneuver to try to pull off though.
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I agree; I think that if we do Iron Orcs next turn and finish AV the turn after, then T44 presents a good opportunity for the elfternship. We'll have Overwork available to make the 3 AP cost of going to Nagarythe less painful and allow us to keep progressing the Waystone Project on that turn, and if in fact we spend T43 on AV then people will probably appreciate having an adventure arc afterwards.
Really, the only difficulty will be finding useful things to do with Eike on that turn, since we can't take her with us to Nagarythe. Probably we only include her on one or two actions and give her a lot of self-study to do while we're gone?
Yeah and if one is Stirland, or even the empire has a whole odds are you are happy with that. Alas that is not who we should worry about most in terms of satisfaction with the project.
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I sincerely doubt we'll manage to fit that in before Ulthuan shows up. Mainly because I expect Ulthuan to show up very soon.
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We're not exactly keeping our fighting style secret. Just this update we went around sparring with a bunch of Ulrikadrin and Undumgi. While I heavily doubt there are spies among their ranks, it's not like we swore them to secrecy, and casual conversation can let a lot of things slip. I don't have any serious worries about a person being able to somehow piece together gossip into a coherent dossier on Mathilde's style for there to be any actionable information, so the point is moot. It would require someone to survive after fighting Mathilde or seeing Mathilde fight for there to be actual intel.
Also that, not enthused about messing in the Iron Orcs myself at this juncture. Once we have deliverables the Damsels may be less stringent on their terms, or something else but without more information I don't believe the Iron Orcs are a Day Trip Problem - if it was they'd just throw some Damsels with a Grail Knight and stomp through it just as well as we can.
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I'm also not particularly interested in doing the Iron Orcs. We're already struggling to make full use of our current roster; I'd rather we continue our current lines of research up to any roadblocks, and only then bring in more parties to work on it. For one thing, if we get far enough we won't even need to spend the AP to bring them in - they'll be impressed enough to join up without solving their problems for them.
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The problem is the knights can't find them. I definitely think Mathilde's scouting and windsight capabilities are enough to do that in the one month an AP represents. And with the fact that that one AP includes dealing with the iron orcs AND attempting to recruit the damsels, I definitely don't think it's nearly as big a deal as you seem to think.
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pucflek
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They are chaos worshipping orcs. The last time we tussled with a chaos champion we needed a woman mainlining four order gods to bail us out of certain death.
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Mopman43
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Just saying, the actual last time we tussled with a Chaos champion we bisected him twice.
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We just have to find them. After that we can point them out to a few hundred blessed and/or bloodthirsty knights who will be more than eager to deal with them.
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"odds are you are happy with that"? Could you please elaborate what you mean by that, because that phrasing is not good. I'm not sure what you want, but my point was just that we do in fact have a deliverable, and it is in fact in deployment.
From what I recall the issue us finding them and Damsels are neither good at scouting nor Ulgu. The Fey Enchantress might be able to use it, but I would imagine she is rather busy and disinclined to go walking through the mud and the rain of those hills looking for orcs.
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pucflek
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Finding something that lot of people didn´t, bears a decent risk of being found in turn. I also admit i don´t recall if being able to find out where their foundries are is the only problem in that situation.
Overall it sounds like pretty high risk scenario for something we 1) don´t really need
2) could probably acquire anyway not even that much further down the line.
We already figured out tributaries. get at least somewhat usable waystones and that should be enough.
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Stirland likes tributaries in Stirland, the Empire probably likes it as well, the Karaz Ankor probably does not give a damn and neither does Kiselv and they would probably be very unamused to hear we just took a three month sabbatical to go