Didn't we retrain our style like three times already and vastly improved each time? Should we not train mounted swordsmanship with bretonia because it would what, taint our style? I think a specific wizard style would likely suit adding parts to our style perfectly. We only have a +10 in Dwarf tunnel fighting, the magister at the trials had a +10 we didn't and they probably have specific spell sword synergy that's teachable. How could training on our own or with a dwarf who's style is partly out of reach possibly help more than adding in specific wizard college swordsmanship?
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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From what I understand, we'd need to re-do our whole style, since we're incorporating something new, and then train it back up to the level we have right now. That would involve stuff like finding a teacher, actually passing the training check, etc. - considering how close we are to finishing the style we have right now, and combined with the fact that it'd take a while to do so, I imagine people don't want to go adding even more styles to Mathilde's burgeoning fighting-style, since it'd be particularly AP intensive, and we could be spending that AP on other stuff once we complete the style we have right now.
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Tasoli
Life is for Living
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You mean the swords style Mcdoesn't exist? Grey Collage has allied Knightly Order that they call for martial training but we never heard Greys having their own style.
Brights would have their own style since they are martial and their first Patriarch was a Greatsword but we already trianed in Greatswords and innovated over it. There is nothing there for us. Especially since finishing Branarhune means we get to become a master of sword. There is no point of going back to basic at this point.
No. That's part of the reason he died to a bunch of Skellies, when he did things with his halberd that got him the position of Elector Count.
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Didn't he also crit fail? Or am I misremembering? Either way... I certainly wasn't expecting him to die like that. He didn't even make it to Castle Drakenhof.
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It wouldn't be super shocking if they did. Most higher end wizards have some basic combat training and the symbol of the Grey Order is a sword, so if they have a combat style, it'd likely be swordsmanship (or, more likely, a combination of that and daggers).
We don't know that they have a specific style, but the idea isn't implausible.
Him critfailing, repeatedly, is the Doylist reason. Him not being familiar with the runefang (and the charge failing badly) is the Watsonian reason.
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When we were learning basic greatswords, we learned greatswording from the Greatswords. When we learned Advanced Greatswords, part of it was from experience and part of it was from Gunnars, incorporating his style into our own. We're now at the point where we are developing our own style based on the capabilities of a sword with unique properties in the entire world. We're beyond the point where someone else can teach us things, we have to invent them ourselves:
And it's irrelevant, because as a bunch of people have mentioned, there is no Grey College style.
So don't worry, we aren't missing out on awesome wizard kenjutsu.
(A recurring long-term aim of the thread is to invent awesome wizard kenjutsu after we finish Branarhune, by codifying our Shadow Knives Mastery that makes a sword that has similar flicker potential as the Rune of the Unknown and then adapt Branarhune to it and write a manual. But it doesn't currently exist.)
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- Chicago
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Egrimm got a cloak made from the hair of Slaanesh? And Slaanesh actually has hair? Along with that the cloak did not spontanious evaporate outside of the Aether due to what it is made of? That is honestly strange to even hear about.
I read this, and literally the first thing I thought of was "Oh my god, trying to detangle hair with crab claws would suck SO MUCH that the changeling might have actually been doing her a favor".
Seriously. Like, look at the hands attached to any slaaneshi unit and then imagine trying to do personal hygiene without literally ripping yourself a new one...
Of note, we did learn vampire hunter quick draw techniques, so arguably three styles have had direct input into her styles. Two of them were much more fundamental though.
We did, however, miss out on rat iaijutsu. So that's sad.
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Slaanesh having conned Tzeentch is pretty plausible now that you mention it...I mean, if anyone can con Tzeentch, Slaanesh would be the one, right?
The actual item description in Winds of Magic plays the idea that it's stolen straight (with worshipers of Slaanesh hating the bearer, but being unwilling to damage the cloak), but that could just be another layer of the con.
Ranald was protecting us from knowledge man is not supposed to know.
Besides, we have two more chances to crit on the sword style. I give us a 50% chance of rolling a nat 100 on at least one of those rolls.
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While the Battle of the Caldera and the defeat of Waaagh Birdmuncha was an incredible success from the perspective of Belegar's ambitions, and incredibly fun for my strategy and tactics under imperfect information brain, I will forever be sad that it meant no more Eshin-friend. Was broken-hearted when it turned out we missed rolling the six to learn from him.
If this quest ever has a Cathay arc, I hope we run into him and have a wuxia duel where we leap back and forth while running on rooftops, blades clashing (yes I know Branarhune would just batter everything away, shut up let me have this), and part as respected and beloved enemies.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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Adding onto what picklepikki said:
There's a few things on the College lessons list that Mathilde could still benefit from (Human Nations of the Old World, The Empire and its Provinces, Religion on the Empire), but Swords and Swordplay are not one of those things.
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When did we pick up that shadow knives mastery again?
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Here:
No big deal was made of it in the update, nor was there a visible roll, so it's pretty easy to miss.
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deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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- Earth
Stats don't really work like that in this quest.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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Difficult to imagine a scenario where Mathilde's in melee and she'd rather pull out a pistol instead of hitting someone with her cannonball sword.
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I get that you're being entirely reasonable here and frankly I agree with you but the scenario is guns are inherently cooler at close range and it would be awesome.
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The Gold College doesn't do it. There is an Incarnate Elemental or Chamon, but it's only theorised to exist by the Colleges.
It puts the silver in the Silver Hills.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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As regards to canon, yes, but for the Quest, I believe Boney has indicated that all 8 Colleges have Incarnates.
Everyone looks for the cannonball sword, who looks for the revolver in the other hand letting loose a bullet or three?
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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Or you could have the cannonball sword in the other hand. Which is part of the style Mathilde is developing.