Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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We don't know of any cat-like Apparitions, but if any turn up, I'd love to try that.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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I feel like putting a bunch of the hulking, fire-eating dark hounds into small cute cat bodies would be kinda funny and kinda adorable. Is there a trope name for that sort of thing?
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Gap moe.
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If you mean windherding, we tried our first step on that path with Egrimm, though we rolled poorly so we didn't get the full benefit of trying. I believe there's some thread impetus on retrying that soon.
The other problem is that we can't apply magic directly to Branulhune, presumably because the runes absorb magic to recharge.
And any weapon that isn't Branulhune is simply going to be worse without a very major AP investment.
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If you hover over the date on the post it'll show it, down to the exact minute. Timezone shouldn't matter because SV/the browser detects your computer's local timezone by default.
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I'm imagining it.
As far as I can tell it - assuming we survive - looks like losing the irreplaceable artifact sword personally tailored to our needs by Kragg the Grim, a staff that boosts our preferred applications of Ulgu, the robes we enchanted with a powerstone and rare magical reagents, and quite possibly the only token we have of Abelhelm that's not the Liber Mortis.
In exchange we would get a highly recognizable artifact that's probably cursed, assuredly attracts lots of people who want to steal it, including Druchii up to and including Malekith and Morathi, and doesn't work with the style we've been developing for years IC and OOC (which we couldn't use anyway at that point because we lost Branalhune).
Can you explain what I'm missing that makes this a good plan?
Dark Hounds would work well enough. The Golds guess that Ambers use the Bleak Swarm for their crow spell and fly to crow seems like a greater difference then hound to cat.
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Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Timezone matters if all you have is the date (I didn't know about the exact time thing, thanks for that!) because of the differences in user timezones, not because of a discrepancy between the display and your timezone. For example, if something is posted at 6 am in my timezone, and someone else is five hours behind me, there's a period of five hours where the date the post is made, and the date the user in the -5 timezone is on are not the same, even though they're the same for me.
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The last time they were used was during the book mining expedition actually
Mathilde shot the varghulf as it charged the shield wall, it just wasn't very effective
They did also get fired during the Kul encampment too actually
That being said you're right that Mathilde's pistols don't have a lot of stopping power, relative to monstrous opponents
But I think they do have utility
The pistols advantages are that they are a reliable, quick, and rapid fire ranged option
Magic takes concentration and can be contested, which makes it less ideal if you need to shoot something right now
And the sword obviously means being up close and personal with what you're chopping
Sometimes you just need to pull out a gun and shoot something, or quickly pump out a lot of shots and can't afford to spend time channeling the Winds
Now if you want something that never sees light of day, that'd be the Marksdwarf pistol
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Basically, the revolvers have a very valuable niche of putting down your average humamoid at range faster than magic can. And also can't be counterspelled. Like in Mathilde's Magister exam where she won the first mock combat by just quick drawing her gun and saying bang while her opponent was mid-cast. Though they made her redo it without the gun for purposes of testing, in real combat there are no do-overs.
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I feel like a lot of people are reading my post as saying "therefore the pistols are useless," when I do say that I'm glad we have them, though we use them rarely. The thing I was arguing against was active AP investment in making us better with them; that is the thing I think is of low utility.
Stop preventing it with Branulhune and add drop spell to mastery- not windherding combining two of our spells - one of Boney's hard to find posts. Is that not adding bless weapon to Branulhune a must? I remember using it with the runefang.
I'm deeply offended, I would never sacrifice hat-kun, Malekith sword only destroys enchanted artefacts, unless he specifically destroys our normal hat to hurt our feelings. Your right, it's too risky hat-kun must be preserved.
Losing the sword and belt would suck, but Malekith's shield is a shield of bullshit no sell magic plus 50. Forged with Vaul's greatest artifacts to protect the "true" phoenix king. Getting the BBEG king Arthur to not have Excalibur's sheath is worth our lives and artifacts a dozen times over. Not to use, give that shit to Tyrion and he can yolo no scope 360 tonnes of gribblies. Kragg would probably laugh with pride at us spending his hard wrought artifice in such a manner. Our gear is good, but his is better than a runefang. Literally THE best shield.
The kul encampment showed they are already part of our melee style, I just want to work on what we are already doing, but actually practice it instead of soly honing greatswording. We got the sword of Strength, not the speed option. Getting better with sword is good, but unless we hone adding in the suspiciously melee guns Boney gave us, we are underutilizing the rune of unknown, switching from fighting a greatsword wielder to a melee pistol wielder mid swing sounds like the kind of edge the rune of unknown was made for.
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There is no 'stop preventing it with Branulhune' because that was Boney saying we prevent it. We did use it with the runefang, but it didn't actually give us a boost, probably for the same reason-- the runes take in the magic to recharge, thereby disrupting any attempted magical effect.
A similar question on mixing magic+Branulhune:
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Okay, that's fair.
If the point isn't "use Malekith's shield", it's "stop Malekith from having his shield", I can see why that's a valid strategic consideration. It sucks personally, but "How much more damage is Malekith personally capable of doing when much more able to defend himself from Ulthuan?" weighed against "How much can we do with our equipment?" is definitely something where you can reasonably come to the conclusion it's worth it.
If the point isn't "use Malekith's shield", it's "stop Malekith from having his shield", I can see why that's a valid strategic consideration. It sucks personally, but "How much more damage is Malekith personally capable of doing when much more able to defend himself from Ulthuan?" weighed against "How much can we do with our equipment?" is definitely something where you can reasonably come to the conclusion it's worth it.
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Your missing the obvious, miaow is a 5 letter acronym and we know 5 of Ranald's faces.
Also I'm not sure about order for the O, I think we can find a better one.
Also also, I think there was mention of the apparitions changing under the influence of the pokemaster to a different appearance, nurgles flies turning into crows for the ambers.
Desperate hope - that maybe only applies to weapons with all 3 runes and we can do it with our guns(melee)? Also I get the feeling it would work with a runefang due to the runefangs OP rune quality and what we saw of it when fighting the skelies. Drop enchanted bullets?
That's my plan for fighting him if we ever need to, burn everything to try and do a smallish permanent affect. More realistically, we will likely never match him, so hoping even good ol'swordy will work seems optimistic. Robbing him and running though? Just after bragging about our deeds in a slightly screwed manner using the deceiver and making it eerily similar to his deeds for the dwarfs, before abandoning all thoughts of pride or arrogance and yeeting his shield as far away as possible? I think we have a snowballs chance in hell of doing it, and hell snowballs are our friendly neighborhood Widow's specialty.
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Triple-posting, why?! I usually ignore it if it's hours apart, but if posts are separated by mere minutes, I'd advise using the "Edit" button to merge posts.
Directed at different people and conversations, seems like someone following the last conversation would have to scroll through a couple unrelated conversations to get to what their interested in? Or give up assuming it's unrelated or a glitch? Will take into consideration in future thx! 😊 🙏
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Here's how our loadout works, from the Collection of Important Information:
Enchanted bullets are theoretically viable depending on the spell/effect, but we'd need to replace one of our activated slots, and it wouldn't stack with the runed revolvers. With our current kit, we'd put it in the Marksdwarf pistol. And that's a lot of resources in terms of CF or AP to use on a limited-use consumable.
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I find that I might be confused or mistaken about something.
@Boney Do Journeymen have more freedom to pursue their own interests and avoid being recruited for things they don't want to be than Magisters?
I would be really surprised if the Elementalist charter literally protects them from conscription. It's just that the bar to conscript them is comparable to that of a lawyer or a rich innkeeper or a full member of the dyer's guild.
A Magister on the other hand would be more akin to anything from a member of a secular knight order to a reserve member of the special forces to an armed government employee.
This is a good point. Imagine if a future corrupt Emperor gets bribed to legalize Hedgewise under a charter that is similar to that of the Elementalists. I'm sure many a College Magister would resent that. Would that mean that people choosing to become Hedgewise instead of joining one of the eight Colleges would be selfish leeches on society?
I'm still not quite sure what that means. Magic users were illegal before Magnus as well. Was Nuln known for nobles that gave sanctuary to certain types of spellcasters in exchange for non-military service?
I would never vote for the Quest to take a step down that path, but wouldn't the most straightforward way (inasmuch that word dares apply) to create a "Become Dwarf" spell be making it a ritual instead of anything that involves single Wind magic?
It hasn't happened yet, but Boney has mentioned timeskips as if they were in the realm of possibilities.
In one of our first Waystone turns we sent Max to go through all the libraries of the eight Colleges. He talked to an Amber who claimed that they could tell us the location of most Waystones if we need that information, but that they doubt us needing that information.
I once speculated that some of the Incarnate Elementals might just not be as useful for warfare as the canon ones, simply due to the elemental's own mindset. Death kills (your enemies hopefully), Fire burns (your enemies hopefully) and Beast eats (your enemies hopefully). The Light one glows and pursues certain enemies more than others, the Life one might just transform the battlefield into a jungle, the Celestial one flies up and away into the future and the Grey one is plain confusing. That said, I didn't even know/remember that Gold was canon. I thought only three were.
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Journeymen aren't told where they should go or what they should do, because that would defeat the entire purpose of Journeying - they're thrown out into the world and left to sink or swim on their own merits and initiative. Magisters still get a lot of leeway in what they do, but if what they're doing isn't to the benefit of the Empire or the Order, then they'll get periodic nudges towards something that would be, and will be considered available if there's something in their region that needs a Wizard to respond to it.
Did that post really seem like it was inviting further brainstorming on the subject?
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Basically, the writeup of Elementalists and Elementalism, according to the wiki, is that they were the most powerful and respected wizards before the Articles and Colleges came into being. The exact substance has probably changed but it seems reasonable to start any guess following from a assumption of "the gist of it is carried on into a form where it can be rectified with Boney's canon."
Even if their profession wasn't legal, it seems reasonable to translate that into the Elementalists of old being less likely to be hunted down. At the extreme end, that could translate to the general populace treating them with some amount of respect, (Which would fit with notes of Elementalists who have power go to their heat occasionally being worshipped by heretical nature cults out in the boonies) and perhaps even sometimes outright have a blind eye turned to them by the law. (which, if it were commonplace, could also fit with them bribing Dieter IV.)
Of course, the sanity check here is that in most extreme version of the latter case --- where the Elementalists routinely get the witch hunters to look the other way pre-Magnus and can bribe an Emperor for legality once the Articles and legalization of the Colleges cause the old situation to fall apart around them --- we are basically talking about the Elementalists as a wizard mafia. Put that way, I'm honestly not sure whether that's a point against the theory or a point in it's favor.
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