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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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DragonParadox said:
No, in fact I think that would be an enormously unhealthy reaction. We have been praising Ranald for every scrap of good luck we have had for years now, assuming the bad luck not only does not have anything to do with him, but that we should propitiate ourselves to him for having it is both nonsense zealotry of the highest order and a waste of much needed AP
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I was half-joking, but ok, no need to get snippy. Back when Mathilde nearly fumbled the assassination of that one Orc Boss, a presented option of how to cope was thinking Mathilde was simply unlucky and that she should redouble her worship toward Ranald. I just thought it would be a possibility if nothing else.
 
Parabola said:
I was half-joking, but ok, no need to get snippy. Back when Mathilde nearly fumbled the assassination of that one Orc Boss, a presented option of how to cope was thinking Mathilde was simply unlucky and that she should redouble her worship toward Ranald. I just thought it would be a possibility if nothing else.
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Sorry about that I am on edge because of the potential unsatisfying quest ending, but that is no excuse to be snippy.

Another potential catastrophic outcome that just occurred to me would be the desecration or temporary theft of the Eye of Gazul, it does run through our Penthouse and if anything could take over it that would be a Deaemon of the changer. Take it over and use it to murder half the Valley and you have gutted K8P, destroyed Belegar's position to the point that he would likely go slayer and annihilated all gains for wizard acceptance

Sometimes I wish I did not have such a good imagination. :V
 
This is reminding me of that time we fought Drycha and we saw the rolls ahead of time looked pretty bad, and people proceeded to argue themselves in circles over how bad it was with each circuit getting progressively worse, and then ultimately it turned out to be not nearly that bad at all.

I guess what I'm saying is- don't panic? There is absolutely nothing we can do at this point regardless, and constantly inventing new terrible things that could result helps no one.

Also, just- Mathilde once survived rolling a nat 1 while fighting a necrarch vampire lord. This probably isn't worse than that.
 
DragonParadox said:
Rolled a nat 1 for AV powerstone study and a 9 for the follow up 'what attention to we draw roll'

The complete loss of AV is probably among the most leniant things that could happen to us. Alternatives include *see post above* I do not want to type out that again.
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I'm not sure how having wasted countless actions throughout the entire quest is one of the most lenient options.
And honestly I don't even see why it would happen, attempting the powerstone experiment close to the actual box is so stupid that it's incredibly out of character.
 
NavySeel said:
I'm not sure how having wasted countless actions throughout the entire quest is one of the most lenient options.
And honestly I don't even see why it would happen, attempting the powerstone experiment close to the actual box is so stupid that it's incredibly out of character.
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Not being dead or chaos corrupted when messing with the raw stuff of the warp and having the literal most unlucky outcome.I mean one could make the case that Mathilde dying with the reputation and her work intact would be less bad than having some portion of that ruined with her still alive, but this is still a quest so worst vase scenario will almost always be quest end.
 

I can see a case where it started to work, but them mathy messed up. And bad thing happened.

That way we can be tempted to try again. Just at a way higher difficulty.

That's very bird brain move, bad thing happened, but show that it could totally work next time if you don't make another mistake .
 
Jyn Ryvia said:

I can see a case where it started to work, but them mathy messed up. And bad thing happened.

That way we can be tempted to try again. Just at a way higher difficulty.

That's very bird brain move, bad thing happened, but show that it could totally work next time if you don't make another mistake .
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Given all the other avenues of research we have and all the people saying they are tired of AV and they want to do something else recently I do not think that is very likely to be attempted even if it were the same DC honestly.
 
DragonParadox said:
Not being dead or chaos corrupted when messing with the raw stuff of the warp and having the literal most unlucky outcome.I mean one could make the case that Mathilde dying with the reputation and her work intact would be less bad than having some portion of that ruined with her still alive, but this is still a quest so worst vase scenario will almost always be quest end.
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"Oh you rolled a bad number, that means you're permanently chaos corrupted or dead with no user input" Yeah that would be an utterly awful move from any QM.
This is bad but to be honest the doomsaying has gotten kind of ridiculous.
 
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Thinking on it, I don't think we should be too worried about demonic manifestation. We're in the room of calamity, in the middle of the largest Waystone circle in the world, thousands of miles away from the wastes. Any portal is going to be drained of energy incredibly quickly, especially since the fuel is a mere gallon of AV. You need 8 gallons to make an orb of sorcery, so this will have 1/8th the power of an orb.

I suspect there will be an immediate miscast roll, flavoured towards the Changer, that's strengthened by the intensity of the nat 1 but muted and subdued by our location (which probably balances out). So as long as the immediate consequences are not lethal (i.e a massive explosion) we should be fine-ish.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Thinking on it, I don't think we should be too worried about demonic manifestation. We're in the room of calamity, in the middle of the largest Waystone circle in the world, thousands of miles away from the wastes. Any portal is going to be drained of energy incredibly quickly, especially since the fuel is a mere gallon of AV. You need 8 gallons to make an orb of sorcery, so this will have 1/8th the power of an orb.

I suspect there will be an immediate miscast roll, flavoured towards the Changer, that's strengthened by the intensity of the nat 1 but muted and subdued by our location (which probably balances out). So as long as the immediate consequences are not lethal (i.e a massive explosion) we should be fine-ish.
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I'd suspect considerably less than a full gallon would be involved, as I can't see Mathilde trying it with a full gallon at once. She knows first-hand just how energetic even single vials of the stuff are.
 
Given the range of speculation goes from: Dead end research path with possible injuries to Quest bad end and the world is fucked over.
I'm going to put my money on the more benign end.
And if you think its anywhere past the middle you probably ought to walk away for a bit and ask yourself if Mathilde is that incompetent when we've seen in the past that her process of testing does slowly scale up the amount of AV used, or if Boney has a history of screwing over players.
mathymancer said:
No.

In general, unmodified 1d6 rolls have been 'higher is better' pretty much always I think, but the modifier makes me think that the number corresponds to an actual quantity, such as "how many demons are standing in the place that was once Mathilde's laboratory".
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For the record, 1d6 have not always been bigger is better. When Ranald robbed Gork and Mork a 6 was Tzeench catches him on the way to bank and steals everything.
bigger is usually better, but the Chaos numbers are often wild cards when they come up in an WH setting.
Boney said:
1: One Less God.
2: Two Gods Notice.
3: Man In The Middle.
4: Split Four Ways.
5: A Fifth Aspect.
6: The Sacred Number.
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BurnNote said:
Was there Wog on that, or did you just come up with the possibility yourself?
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Oh I forgot to reply to this, sorry.


No, Boney didn't say anything either way, but Coeddil is chaos corrupted, and if I was writing the quest, I'd consider him a candidate for Everchosen. Also the Chaos Gods were watching the whole engagement—the hedgewise spirit walk revealed them to us—and whilst they could have been bored and seeking entertainment, it's possible that it was actually a round in the Everchosen tournament and that's why they were present.
 
Dark as Silver said:
Given the range of speculation goes from: Dead end research path with possible injuries to Quest bad end and the world is fucked over.
I'm going to put my money on the more benign end.
And if you think its anywhere past the middle you probably ought to walk away for a bit and ask yourself if Mathilde is that incompetent when we've seen in the past that her process of testing does slowly scale up the amount of AV used, or if Boney has a history of screwing over players.

For the record, 1d6 have not always been bigger is better. When Ranald robbed Gork and Mork a 6 was Tzeench catches him on the way to bank and steals everything.
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also iirc wouldn't 5 have just ended up randlad getting attacked by slannesh too?
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Oh I forgot to reply to this, sorry.


No, Boney didn't say anything either way, but Coeddil is chaos corrupted, and if I was writing the quest, I'd consider him a candidate for Everchosen. Also the Chaos Gods were watching the whole engagement—the hedgewise spirit walk revealed them to us—and whilst they could have been bored and seeking entertainment, it's possible that it was actually a round in the Everchosen tournament and that's why they were present.
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That Treeman wasn't Coedill.

Well, almost certainly wasn't, anyway.
 
Our coin has a fifth face, but I don't think Ranald is officially the God of Fatherhood.

I think he's trying to become it, however, because no one else seems to have it as a domain—Morr abandoned his fatherly duties, Taal is a king, and nobody else has kids. Edit: that we know of.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Oh I forgot to reply to this, sorry.


No, Boney didn't say anything either way, but Coeddil is chaos corrupted, and if I was writing the quest, I'd consider him a candidate for Everchosen. Also the Chaos Gods were watching the whole engagement—the hedgewise spirit walk revealed them to us—and whilst they could have been bored and seeking entertainment, it's possible that it was actually a round in the Everchosen tournament and that's why they were present.
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I definitely think it's odd that a Manticore was just there hanging out with Drycha's forces. We didn't really question why it was there, did we?
 
Dark as Silver said:
Given the range of speculation goes from: Dead end research path with possible injuries to Quest bad end and the world is fucked over.
I'm going to put my money on the more benign end.
And if you think its anywhere past the middle you probably ought to walk away for a bit and ask yourself if Mathilde is that incompetent when we've seen in the past that her process of testing does slowly scale up the amount of AV used, or if Boney has a history of screwing over players.

For the record, 1d6 have not always been bigger is better. When Ranald robbed Gork and Mork a 6 was Tzeench catches him on the way to bank and steals everything.
bigger is usually better, but the Chaos numbers are often wild cards when they come up in an WH setting.
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Probably Slaanesh rather than Tzeentch. 9 is Tzeentch's number, 6 is Slaanesh's. Don't think anyone else shares it? Either way wouldn't be Tzeentch.
 
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