Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
We didn't agree. You won and I lost. Next time I will do my very best to win. I still believe you're wrong and your premises that lead to your decision are wrong, so happening to temporarily lose doesn't change that. Why pretend otherwise?

To not come off as an incredibly salty person?
Especially since you take an inherently subjective point of disagreement - which plan is cooler/more fun - and then brandish your personal opinion on anything other than your personal preference being dull/boring/etc. Like...
And yes, clearly other voters preferred the dull or dull and high risk/low reward options. That means, basically, that they were tragically misguided.

We had the opportunity to be great, but even mediocrity turned out to be too much.

Do you genuinely think that, say, the bolded is how you communicate normal disagreement?
 
Remember that we don't need it to be a global association. A single ingot that has been sitting in the shadow cat by another container that was illuminated by a faintly glowing tune for the last few thousand years should hopefully
That's true. The only problem might be trying to find such.

There's probably some plant with oil they can use.
Olive oil is...an option but its not great at being used for frying.

Sunflower oil is good for frying on.

Dwarfs probably have some subterranean thingie which can produce frying oil?
Was frying as much of a thing in that sort of time period?
looks things up
Huh, apparently it was. People used olive oil, but you could apparently just used fat of any kind. I'd guess that's generally how they did it, got a block of fat and greased up their pans with it.
 
1. Mass Alloys + Suitable Metals = Workable Sword?
Advantages:
1. Ulgu is the wind of shadows, so Alloys probably might work.
2. Mixing metals to get stronger metals is a time-honored metallurgy.
3. Potentially major advantage to Ulgu College forevermore due to Swordstaffs.
4. Probably of viable sword approaches 1 as number of possible materials increases.

Disadvantages:
1. Mathilde may have to basically learn Alchemy/Metallurgy/Smithing from the ground up.
2. It's entirely possible that all possible (with technology/magic available) combination of (Known) Ulgu-Metals & Materials does not produce a viable sword. If our only materials are Mercury and Silver (for example) we're out of luck.
3. Possibly massive amounts of dwarven favors being used up.
4. Might not be usable with Dwarven Rune Magic, or have undesirable interactions.
 
I've been told that it's not the etiquette to relitigate past votes, so I won't reply any further on the subject.
 
Eight Peak Rangers
Here's a little thing I came up with after learning that King Belegar has decided that the Rangers can be put to much better use than simple defense.

Eight Peak Rangers

Most Dwarven kings begrudgingly accept the role of Rangers as part of a Hold's military. Not so with King Belegar Ironhammer, who sees Rangers as vital to his continued efforts in reclaiming Karak-Eight-Peaks against Greenskins and Skaven. After seeing just how many dwarven lives can be preserved with preemptive ambushes, sabotage, and assassinations, the King of Karak-Eight-Peaks has thrown his considerable influence into ensuring that his rangers will be the best trained, thoroughly equipped, and most lethal set of rangers in the entire Karak Anzor.

The Eight Peak Rangers are equipped with powerful crossbows and masterwork hand axes to ensure that at any range they can decimate targets of opportunity. Trained in the arts of subterfuge and subtlety, these rangers wreak havoc on Greenskin and Skaven alike through careful ambushes, sabotages of their food supplies, and assassinations of their leaders. In the process, they plant evidence that the other factions surrounding the target were the perpetrators, further escalating the conflicts between Greenskins and Skaven. Ensuring that when the Dwarven armies do march forth, they march forth against weakened tribes thoroughly unprepared to deal with Dwarven might.

One of their most valuable tools, however, is not their masterfully crafted explosives, crossbows, or hand axes, but a small vial of a pitch-black substance hanging carefully from their belts. The Black Lotus poison is a deadly tool when used in the appropriate circumstances, and these rangers have mastered its use. Extracted from the Black Lotus flower, which are carefully cultivated in hidden vales of the Eastern Valley, this poison will drive an orc or Skaven into a mindless rage, attacking anything nearby. Given the density of Skaven and Greenskin populations in Karak-Eight-Peaks, this can start explosive fights that spiral into multiple tribes killing each other. Especially if the leaders of each tribe were recently found dead in his hut.

Such strategies have sent many a traditional dwarf grumbling, but the glory and success of the Reclamation Effort have done much to soothe even the most stubborn. For year by year, the Karags of Karak-Eight-Peak return to rightful Dwarven hands and the foul Greenskin and perfidious Skaven are sent scurrying even further down the dark tunnels. But no matter how far they run and no matter how cleverly they hide, the Eight Peak Rangers will nip at their heels crippling any effort to push back the ever-growing success of King Belegar's reclamation.
 
Depends on the college really. Celestial wizards for example have no strictures against making a fortune and tend to easily do so with their ability to see the future and grant good fortune.

There's also going to be outliers in the Colleges such as with Mathilde who owns quite the fortune. Presumably out there is a Amber wizard with a liking for gold and a Jade wizard who charges for her services.
Probably. Looking at possible stave materials for each Wind:
-Chamon - They'd probably actually prefer metal staves. Especially those with lots of gold content.
-Ghyran - Wood staves. Nothing's going to compare with one that was(or preferably, IS) alive for the Wind of Life.
-Ghur - Bone is key. Metal is probably too far from their ideals, even wood is closer.
-Aqshy - Its not too difficult to infuse metals with Aqshy via sustained heat, the trick is likely focused on the point where the metal is recognizably the same item/material, so you want it to be below the melting point while you cook as much Aqshy into it for a couple months.
-Shyish - Probably bone again, but lead and iron also have death associations. Ideally? Bog iron, iron leached from the soil and concentrated by rot, likely cold forged to avoid contaminating it. Incidentally the Shyish-Kebabs we mailed off to the College would be fine too, they're literally infused in centuries of concentrated Shyish.
-Azyr - Meteoric ANYTHING would be ideal.
-Hysh - I'm drawing a blank here, its the wind I'm least familiar with. A mad impulse says glass or grinding down a raw quartz crystal to the right shape might fit.
-Ulgu - You'd want a metal that's neither here nor there, which takes good gradient patterns, and is predominantly grey, but being able to be shiny AND dark. So steel is likely a good base, if you could find the right alloy. And probably work it cold, in shadow. Handy information is that steel's visual appearance and material quality varies a lot by the weapon structure and a LOT of pre-industrial smithing was about beating the steel into the right KIND of steel on the right part of the weapon.

There's probably some plant with oil they can use.
Olive oil is...an option but its not great at being used for frying.

Sunflower oil is good for frying on.

Dwarfs probably have some subterranean thingie which can produce frying oil?
Most oils come from animal fat reserves, milk, or plant seeds(which are also fat reserves). Subterranean plants probably wouldn't have a lot of fat content to use, though I suppose you could use a pig as a mushroom to fat converter.

Was frying as much of a thing in that sort of time period?
looks things up
Huh, apparently it was. People used olive oil, but you could apparently just used fat of any kind. I'd guess that's generally how they did it, got a block of fat and greased up their pans with it.
Dwarfs probably would use more baking I think? Their environment is well suited for the Roman type hearth setups. Without fat though, a lot of the product is going to be very very hard to chew.
 
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I'd prefer to avoid the 'permanently lose wizard levels' option too.
Sure, that sucks, but it's a splitting headache and losing knowledge of spells. Maybe we will have to relearn spells, but the wizard level should come back as the headache subsides, and maybe even the spells, too.

The model is removed as a casualty as it can't contribute to the battle anymore. It won't get over the effects in a timeframe relevant to the fighting. I highly doubt the most forgiving of miscast results means a career ending injury.

"You take a moderately hard hit" is, of course, preferable to someone that has more than one wound and wolverine regeneration.
 
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-Ulgu - You'd want a metal that's neither here nor there, which takes good gradient patterns, and is predominantly grey, but being able to be shiny AND dark. So steel is likely a good base, if you could find the right alloy. And probably work it cold, in shadow. Handy information is that steel's visual appearance and material quality varies a lot by the weapon structure and a LOT of pre-industrial smithing was about beating the steel into the right KIND of steel on the right part of the weapon.
Create an Ulgu Forge? Reuse Burning Shadows as Burning Smelter?
 
Probably. Looking at possible stave materials for each Wind:
-Chamon - They'd probably actually prefer metal staves. Especially those with lots of gold content.
-Ghyran - Wood staves. Nothing's going to compare with one that was(or preferably, IS) alive for the Wind of Life.
-Ghur - Bone is key. Metal is probably too far from their ideals, even wood is closer.
-Aqshy - Its not too difficult to infuse metals with Aqshy via sustained heat, the trick is likely focused on the point where the metal is recognizably the same item/material, so you want it to be below the melting point while you cook as much Aqshy into it for a couple months.
-Shyish - Probably bone again, but lead and iron also have death associations. Ideally? Bog iron, iron leached from the soil and concentrated by rot, likely cold forged to avoid contaminating it. Incidentally the Shyish-Kebabs we mailed off to the College would be fine too, they're literally infused in centuries of concentrated Shyish.
-Azyr - Meteoric ANYTHING would be ideal.
-Hysh - I'm drawing a blank here, its the wind I'm least familiar with. A mad impulse says glass or grinding down a raw quartz crystal to the right shape might fit.
-Ulgu - You'd want a metal that's neither here nor there, which takes good gradient patterns, and is predominantly grey, but being able to be shiny AND dark. So steel is likely a good base, if you could find the right alloy. And probably work it cold, in shadow. Handy information is that steel's visual appearance and material quality varies a lot by the weapon structure and a LOT of pre-industrial smithing was about beating the steel into the right KIND of steel on the right part of the weapon.


Most oils come from animal fat reserves, milk, or plant seeds(which are also fat reserves). Subterranean plants probably wouldn't have a lot of fat content to use, though I suppose you could use a pig as a mushroom to fat converter.


Dwarfs probably would use more baking I think? Their environment is well suited for the Roman type hearth setups. Without fat though, a lot of the product is going to be very very hard to chew.
They're dwarves, they won't complain. But I suspect they rely a lot on raising animals, trade, mushrooms and some aboveground farming.

Sure, that sucks, but it's a splitting headache and losing knowledge of spells. Maybe we will have to relearn spells, but the wizard level should come back as the headache subsides.

The model is removed as a casualty as it can't contribute to the battle anymore. I highly doubt the most forgiving of miscast results means a career ending injury.
I'd probably figure it the other way around, that you lose the spells temporarily, but need to retrain the magic. And while it's the highest result on the table, I've never actually seen it as the most forgiving. I'd seen feedback as the most. Different perspectives I suppose.
 
Burning Shadows is acid, not fire.
But you can cold forge steel, if you had someone of great endurance, strength and patience.
Or a triphammer mill, but I suspect Ulgu would work better with something forged by an intelligent being than a machine.
Then wouldn't an intelligent being manning the hammer, but being utterly baffled by the mechanisms it utilizes in order to work, be even better?

Having the Smith have no clue how they're working the metal sounds great for a blade of confusion.
 
Burning Shadows is acid, not fire.
But you can cold forge steel, if you had someone of great endurance, strength and patience.
Or a triphammer mill, but I suspect Ulgu would work better with something forged by an intelligent being than a machine.

I bet if you managed to be present for the entire mining/smelting/forging/polishing process with a darkness spell, metal that has not seen light since the world was formed might be good for shadowmagic. But honestly obsidian might be better, and suitable for a dagger.

I like the idea of a came though. It's something subtle, we could take it into courts or places where explicit weapons are forbidden, and could be carried at the hip like an arming sword when using the greatsword, and can be built out of wood. (Ash? Cottonwood maybe? The drifts of 'fog' those things spawn can be a menace.)
 
Question.

Why the hell does everyone want a magic Ulgu sword?

Seriously what is the benefit compared to say a runed sword?

It just seems like a lot of work for little benefit.
 
That would be really really cool to see though. Like can you imagine the pope hitting a demon with that staff he carries around?
I can imagine he would give it is damn best try. Francis isn't one of the Crusader popes but he's got fire
Maybe what I'm is actually saying is to me, organised religion is terrible,
It often is. But organized religion can also be an unmatched force for good works in the world.

As always, its those darned fallible humans mucking it up for everybody.
 
I can imagine he would give it is damn best try. Francis isn't one of the Crusader popes but he's got fire

It often is. But organized religion can also be an unmatched force for good works in the world.

As always, its those darned fallible humans mucking it up for everybody.
Insert Elven/Dwarven/Lizardmen grumbling here :V
 
Question.

Why the hell does everyone want a magic Ulgu sword?

Seriously what is the benefit compared to say a runed sword?

It just seems like a lot of work for little benefit.
Just for fun. My personal preference actually is to make a cane instead of a full sized staff, and keep the sword focused on being a very good killing device.

Its fun though!
 
Warhammer Fantasy is frequently dumb and crack and silly, it's part of the charm. The football hooligan/British chav orcs. The God of Atheists. There's a chaos mutation where your genitals say bye-bye and run off to the chaos wastes, and depending on edition/version, you may be left with either a Barbie doll crotch, or a second mouth that loudly whispers bad ideas at the most embarrassing moments. The RPG book is studded with remarks like "What's the worst that could happen?" (well, your genitals could run off to the wastelands, for one) and there's a bunch of silly names like the skaven Ratling Gun (Gatling Gun) or Graf Von Saponatheim (Once Upon A Time) scattered across the setting.
So you're telling me that it is possible for a chaos army coming out of the wastes to be literally made of dicks?

I mean we all knew Chaos warriors were dicks but still.
 
Question.

Why the hell does everyone want a magic Ulgu sword?

Seriously what is the benefit compared to say a runed sword?

It just seems like a lot of work for little benefit.

Wizard staff is used to ground miscasts, which becomes crucial once we learn Battle Spells, which are never risk-free and can explode your head into demons on miscast.
A well-placed Pendulum can easily decimate several regiments; it is likely more impactful than any killing we can do with a sword in battle.

Of course, a lot of our impact is killing we do before battle; so maybe we really want a tool for battles and a tool for infiltration/assassination. Former for ensuring we do not die on a miscast of some Battle Spell, latter to backstab people.

edit: and thus we want a sword which we can use as a staff, to ground spells.
 
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