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I doubt us acting on our own initiative in a manner that would escalate tensions with Bretonnia would be looked upon kindly, even if they are total assholes to their peasants.

I'd honestly prefer to straight out dump the bulk of our monetary earnings to charity rather than play around with it. Investing for increased income beyond a certain point would probably stretch the limits on what is tolerated—remember, these loopholes only work if people decide they do, and following the letter of the law while spitting on the spirit is the sort of thing that could have negative impacts elsewhere as well.

I do like the idea of setting up the Greenskin temple room where we disrupted the ritual as a "temple" to Ranald, but we don't need to own it for it to work. Toss the idea to Belebro, grab some faithful from the merc company that want a less active life (and/or are down a limb or two), provide some seed money, get some Halflings from the book club, and set it up so that the profits are donated to a worthy cause. The dwarves in the know would back it cause Mathilde plus it being a massive fuck you to the Greenskin gods, the seed money will get it started/established, and if a combination inn/gambling house that is on friendly terms with the local government ISN'T massively profitable and successful it deserves to die.

As far as our own charity ideas go, here are a few that appeal to me:
  • Scholarship fund for Grey Order. We're a former peasant and should remember what our schooling debt made us risk. Might also earn us some college favor or improve the overall quality of the Order.
  • Survivor benefits for the mercenaries on the campaign. We fleeced them, but rather than giving it back instead effectively give it to the ones that got fleeced the most. Could earn us some goodwill with Stirland peasantry and any actual mercenary organization born from this too.
 
Aethyric Armor: Enchanting our robes is a means of having it always on, as soon as we manage to squeeze to Magic 8, we simply update our robes to 3+. Otherwise, it's a pre-battle buff.
Fair caution, the armor spell lasts minutes, not hours. We do need to recast it in battle, though not frequently, as battles are really fast.

Updated robes of course is just far superior
Fire is a common dwarven rune, and there's 1,000 runed weapons in Angrund alone, 1/10th of which are currently missing an owner. I think they could do us a solid on a loan if it's used to light hundreds of orcs on fire.

If you aren't covered in sneaky shadow magic, probably.
Probably the hardest part is convincing a dwarf to loan an ancestral weapon to humans then.

Though they probably would accept loaning to Rangers
@BoneyM, a little while ago someone said that using Ranald's coin to perform a devotional act towards him would reduce the devotion offered to him. Is that correct or is Ranald not the type to care?
Given that we usually don't see difficulties on those, Mathilde has no way to know and Ranald likes it that way.
... But I don't? Unless we are very succesful, I'm saying our first channeling implement should be a sword, because a plain greatsword is plenty serviceable.

And like I said, I agree with you. An athame or something of the sort would be damn handy.


And the point is, in those situations, such as casting battle magic, or dispel-offs, we have the little room we need to swap implements.

To address everyone at once, because people are getting lost in the argument:
1) It's apparently much easier to enchant a "staff", i.e. a +1 magic thingy, when you have an object roughly the size of a staff.
2) So, I propose we enchant a greatsword. It's virtually all benefit: it serves as a decent melee weapon in a pinch, we are highly familiar with it, and even if we get a super-stabby runic sword, we can just carry two, Witcher style, and the similarity should make quick-drawing pretty easy with a bit of practice. Boney already said that carrying two swords isn't an issue.
3) I nonetheless agree that something wand-sized would be tremendously handy. But that's harder to do, and doesn't seem terribly necessary when the vast majority of our magic which benefits the most from it isn't the sort of thing we'd do in the middle of a furious sword fight, i.e., we'd have the seconds to swap implements even if we were using a less handy one. And we can always cast without it, a +1 increase is notable, but at this point, it's a far less drastic gain than it'd be back in Stirland, when we were rocking magic 4-5.

To sum it up, the un-handyness of a staff-sized tool isn't a real problem, and we might as well make it a sword, because we lose nothing from doing it.

IS 1 correct though? The only word of GM on that is that the magic focus should preferably be a shape suited to quickly ground magical energies, which generally means anything you could symbolically thrust into the ground quickly when you fuck up, of which a staff is likely traditional simply because the easiest grounding channel is a stick.

Its also preferred if the shape is suitable for pointing at things, so if you aren't fucking up you could shoot it through the pointing end. But basically any weapon can be used for pointing purposes.

Eyeballing it, we're looking at something ideally about as long as your leg to the gripping end. Made of magic conductive and durable material. A 5-6 foot long staff/spear gripped on the middle or a 3-4 foot long sword/wand/knife(erring on the short side because smolwizard).



The thing is, he and Shallya basically are the charities. Unless you like spending your gold on solid gold churches, in which case Sigmarite churches might count too.

On giving Ranald a cut; he says that every tenth coin is his. However, he doesn't actually have any way to collect that stuff, except having his priests go around and grab it; with no big churches or organizations, all worship of him is highly localized. In the Mathilde Weber convocation, consisting of she, herself and her, she basically is the priest, so giving it to another priest would be redundant. Instead, she just needs to use it in a way he'd vaguely approve of (feeding or taking care of the congregation of Mathilde and herself and herself likely counts, as does helping her help others or just being generally amusing to him).
Seems that it just means that for lay Ranald worshippers you give him his cute by ensuring 10% goes to him by any of:
-Gambling
-Drinking
-Charity
-Slipping coins or goods to the poor.
-Noble or merchant followers may instead spend on public works for the people instead.

He's not strict about rules or how to tithe it. But if you don't pay it forward your luck may desert you.
 
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Eyeballing it, we're looking at something ideally about as long as your leg to the gripping end. Made of magic conductive and durable material. A 5-6 foot long staff/spear gripped on the middle or a 3-4 foot long sword/wand/knife(erring on the short side because smolwizard).
A nifty Inquisitor's pimp cane would work in that case : D. Like this fellow's:

 
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In the context of Ranald's completely decentralised cult, I reject this characterisation completely. For say, Sigmar (that ass)- absolutely.
For Ranald- who's to say that the trials and comedies Mathilde has undergone aren't exactly what is required of any faithful aspirant to the priesthood?
Who anointed Heideck and Wolf? Or did they just decide "We're getting old, Wolf." "Yep, that's enough banditry, lets retire to Wurtbad, play cards, and minister to a flock of loosly organised thieves."
She is a priest of Ranald, not a Christian one.

You are right that, by those standards, she will never measure up. So wouldn't Wolf.

Good thing then, that those aren't the standards she is being measured by.

So the biggest thing stopping Mathilde from being a priest is ordination. Lets use a non religious example.

You could be the best football player ever. You run the fastest. You hit the hardest. You jump the highest. You throw the longest. However, until you get paid to play football you are not a pro football player. No matter what you say. No matter what you do. No matter how you believe different, until you start getting paid to play football you are not a pro football player.

If indeed you are the best football player ever then the path to becoming a pro football player is very short. But you still need to be paid to play football to be a pro football player.

It's the same case for Mathilde. Until she becomes ordained she can't be a priest. No matter what her other deeds are or how pious she is.
While there's something to what you're saying here the meaning of "tend to the needs of their flock" can get really variable in Warhammer. Consider that all the Knights of Morr- all of them- are considered priests. They can't even talk due to their vow of silence, and the "needs of their flock" that they tend to consist largely of smiting the undead and keeping graveyards from being defiled. Likewise the Grandmaster of the knightly order of Ulricans here is considered a priest of Ulric but he's a knight commander and spends his time and energy on battle, not on attending to Ulrican religious ceremonies- he just does that on the side.

This kind of "priest but spends their life on their job, not on their religion" situation is commonplace and Mathilde fits into it really well. The clergy of Ranald is informal and highly variable. While you're right about the recognition of one's peers (or god directly, in the absence of peers, but Ranald hasn't expressed his opinion on this) is needed for someone to legitimately be a priest, that is as a practical matter the only thing that Mathilde needs before qualifying as one of Ranald's. I don't think it's particularly likely that she'll pursue the course, but it would take 1-2 action slots of talking to his cult members that she knows to learn a few formalities and get rubber-stamped, and she'd get the title.

Yes. It would be a very short road for Mathilde to become ordained. She could walk into any chapel of Ranald with a priest tending it and ask to be ordained. My guess would be its the work of an afternoon.


Closer to a Ranaldian Saint than a mere priest, then.

So you can be a saint and not be a priest. You do not need to be a priest to be saint. In fact Mathilde being a saint of Ranald is frankly fairly possible. He pays special attention to us and we did do a miracle, depending on the definition of miracle, with him. However, being a saint does not make you a priest. No matter how saintly Mathilde becomes until she is ordained she is not a priest.
 
Money spending options
  1. Give it back to mercenaries directly
  2. Mutual aid/survivor benefits fund for mercenaries
  3. Donate to a charity
  4. Establish a mercenary company
  5. Establish a mercenary union
  6. Commission a top-notch lab in K8P
  7. Establish a tavern in K8P
  8. Establish a temple of Ranald and/or Shallya in K8P
  9. Invest in halfling economy
  10. Buy out EIC debt
  11. Improve our fief
  12. Prospect the Haunted Hills & buy some land there
  13. Donate to the College
  14. Buy the best dwarven rifle we can
  15. Grey College scholarship fund
To add to your list.

13. I don't actually think anyone mentioned donating to the college (they already take enough with college dues). But we did mention paying for classes. We'd probably just give the college a bunch of gold and then acquire the appropriate amount of credit to be spent on classes in the future.

There's also a variety of personal options to spend money on such as:
  • Tutors (both human and dwarf)
  • Equipment (you mention the rifle but we might also want another revolver, whatever magic items we can grab, runic items, etc)
  • Expensive magic components (like our drake scales, expensive components we can use personally or trade for favor most likely in Altdorf)
  • A pegasus/griffon (time to buy a cool ride with our money)
  • Other random crap (like our dinosaur eggs, absurdly expensive bizarre items of uncertain return)
 
There can simply be academic types, too.

Enchanting doesn't necessarily need much power, Mathilde's literal first act of magic was enchanting.
We are technically not allowed to have money. The Grey College's coin is favours, that's been established for a while.

Dropping a bunch of enchanted staves at the college is, plain and obviously, getting some credit with it.

I'm not sure it might be feasible without a lot more effort, tho, because Boney doesn't like "farming" favors on the background like that.

Mathilde is a Magister, she is essentially a Senior Wizard. "They might force her to sit in a room turning staves because she made some once" is absurd.
I'm not sure if that was enchantment or animation. Either way, it's not proof it takes little power, as we don't know how much child Mathilde had. Also, we are definitely allowed to have money, because otherwise why would the College tithe us? There'd be no way of them asking anyone for money, because no one would be allowed to have any, side note, as a Magister, we only owe 1/20 of our cash to the College unless that's been changed. Yay.

I never said they would. Pressuring someone to do something isn't going "hey do this or we'll do x horrible thing" it could be as simple as insistently asking, or as not simple as trying to make sure we have less other avenues of work. I don't think either would work on Mathilde, but I do think the order would quite like it if she were to do that, and thought it worth raising the possibility, as unthreatening as it is, because I feel it's something we'd get into an argument with the College about, which I don't want.
 
[X] Explosives

How could you forget the best way to use our money? Going full dwarf and piling up all our treasure to sit on.

More seriously, establishing a spy network and retinue were money ideas being floated around that you missed. Also expand/improve niter factory business. Creating a college branch probably falls under money spending I guess.
 
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Current tally. I'm postong it sone we are past 24 hours and BoneyM would probably close the vote soon-ish. Very close, explosives is leading by just two votes.

The number of voters is relatively few, however. Did the mods scare everyone off?
Adhoc vote count started by Kornet on Sep 27, 2019 at 5:03 AM, finished with 730 posts and 139 votes.
 
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Is that a thing?

Ranald seem the type of guy to use anything to get the job done.
Yup! Its WHFRP 2edition Ranald strictures, some guy already posted it as well as 4th edition, basically Ranald looks down on those that dont use daggers and armor, you are only supposed to use your wits. I can try to find the images but i'm kinda busy. So just search for key words like Ranald strictures or something. Another guy recently posted it again before the update so that might be easier to find.
 
They don't use swords very much no, there was some discussion on it a few pages ago actually, just search institutional knowledge or Gazul. If we were after a great axe we'd have oodles of options most likely.

Actually!

We want a great weapon in part to ape a staff, and thus be able to ground via it.

Greataxe is also a good staff!!! In fact, almost a better staff than greatsword, what with having more wood!

So, folks, how about getting Greataxe + greataxe lessons from dorfs?
 
Actually!

We want a great weapon in part to ape a staff, and thus be able to ground via it.

Greataxe is also a good staff!!! In fact, almost a better staff than greatsword, what with having more wood!

So, folks, how about getting Greataxe + greataxe lessons from dorfs?

I think that learning a new weapon when we already have skill with the greatsword may be a bit of an action sink, especially since as a two hand weapon style it does not seem to bring too much to the table.
 
Nope. Mathilde is a sword gal.
I think that learning a new weapon when we already have skill with the greatsword may be a bit of an action sink, especially since as a two hand weapon style it does not seem to bring too much to the table.
Fair point, I suppose. It's just that, well....
There was talk about how staffs are easier to be used for grounding because wood is an easier thing to make into a conductor for your Wind than metals. And so I thought that weaponry with a lot of wood - axes, spears, etc - can be a good compromise between "wizard staff" and "implement of murder".
Who even knows where to find a metal which'd make for a good Ulgu-aligned staff? While also being a good metal for a sword no less?
 
Votes are always higher for simpler and more polarizing topics. For this one, where most plans are fine you'll see a smaller number of voters.
Open write-ins always means much fewer votes.
But this vote doesn't look to be a case of one? Sure, the first round of the vote was, but the second round is very much a choice between simple options.

Although I guess there would be some people who took a look at the first round and decided to wait until the next story update, missing the very existence of the second round.
 
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