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Long story short, there are three of us in my family, myself included, who are trans and bi, and none of us can be ourselves where we're currently living.
That sucks real bad. At least you have each other as support.
Fun fact: I was actually here right at the start, but decided to drop it before even participating since the character creation was such a clumsy mess, which seemed like an ill portent. Didnt pick it up again until the reclamation, but I am happy that my prediction back then was wrong.
Yeah, probably by far the weakest part of the quest. When I recently did a reread, I went through it again and it was better than I remembered, but still only functional. It does show the 'hook' of Divided Loyalties at the start, so I can't say it's lacking in that regard, and the style has flair. But it did not match how good the later stuff is.

In the end, I didn't comment on it, because it's a moot point. If/When Boney starts a new thing, the only pitch required is 'by Boney' and it will get a bigger audience than just about anything else. The dwarfs do have a point about the importance of a proven track record.
 
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There were lots of talk about the benefits of knighthood back then, but most of them were firmly in the scale of a normal (shadow) wizard. Not really applicable now when a Lady Magister outranks the benefits most of the time.

Even the only remaining benefit which is the loophole it gives us in the Vow of Poverty already has lots of better solutions. It's still nice to have though.

Edit: I wasn't really much of an active participant at the time (still very much in the lurker category to this day). Mostly what I remember is the sheer wtf of the whole Anton situation.

Edit2: There was also that dream of Smoke Knights that I was definitely pining for, but alas events discouraged such pursuits.
 
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I like being a knight, true most benefits are now overshadowed by other things but i like that we still have a connection to our first real job. Also it gives us the eternal right to butt into the matters of stirland, independent of who the elector count actually is. And as we are probably going to live longer then 100 years and definitely will get other elector counts i find that good.
 
I like being a knight, true most benefits are now overshadowed by other things but i like that we still have a connection to our first real job. Also it gives us the eternal right to butt into the matters of stirland, independent of who the elector count actually is. And as we are probably going to live longer then 100 years and definitely will get other elector counts i find that good.
And by that time, we will be able to go full dwarf on them. All the "Back in my day, things were different" and "your great grandfather (abelhelm) would be ashamed of you" schtick.

Also, titanic scene:
who is the lady in the statue? (of the Dämmerlichtreiter)
That's me :V
 
Actually, remind me guys because I think I've forgotten. Did Mathilde register herself as a founder and shareholder of the EIC under her Noble title or her Grey title? If my memory serves me correct, we did it under "Dame Mathilde". If that's the case then nobility had a clear effect with the EIC and our ownership with it.
 
Actually, remind me guys because I think I've forgotten. Did Mathilde register herself as a founder and shareholder of the EIC under her Noble title or her Grey title? If my memory serves me correct, we did it under "Dame Mathilde". If that's the case then nobility had a clear effect with the EIC and our ownership with it.

I've just reread that part (Turn 8-results) and it's not actually clear which Mathilde owns the EIC, probably because Mathilde flubbed her stewardship roll and got very confused in the entire process.

I assume Wilhelmina put it under Dame Weber's name, because there's probably advantages to having a landed noble on your board of directors rather than a journeywoman, but I'm really not sure.
 
Actually, remind me guys because I think I've forgotten. Did Mathilde register herself as a founder and shareholder of the EIC under her Noble title or her Grey title? If my memory serves me correct, we did it under "Dame Mathilde". If that's the case then nobility had a clear effect with the EIC and our ownership with it.
You may be thinking of this:
Founded as a result of a Boon granted to Wilhelmina Hochschild, the EIC is a state-sanctioned corporate entity focused on trade within Stirland, and between Stirland and neighbouring provinces. Its logo represents the three swords of Elector Count Abelhelm Van Hal, Sir Markus von Pfaffbach, and Dame Mathilde Weber. Incorporates the West Stirland Riverine Company.
Based on this, I think our legal status in the EIC is our Knightsona. My guess is that this was a case of Abelhelm granting two boons at once and using each to underscore the legitimacy of the other.
 
You may be thinking of this:

Based on this, I think our legal status in the EIC is our Knightsona. My guess is that this was a case of Abelhelm granting two boons at once and using each to underscore the legitimacy of the other.
Yeah the three swords thing stuck in the back of my head. I truly do not care about Nobility, but the people of the Empire do, and the formation of the EIC containing the swords of three Nobles grants this trade association legitimacy that merchants often lack. Wilhelmina isn't a Noble, but she is officially endorsed by Nobles. People still hate merchants, but nobles might find the EIC a bit more palatable knowing Nobles "are at the helm" or whatever.

Of course, Mathilde's status as a Wizard and Eike being a Wizard too kind of counteracts that, but who knows. Some people hate merchants more than Wizards.
 
Do you think the same people that enjoyed Wizard Chic made "Wizardsonas"?

"This is Ebony Skulldaughter, shes a Amethyst Wizard, but she comes from a family of Jade wizards so he doesn't have a good relationship with them. She's always quiet and mysterious, and her hood hides her face, but actually shes just shy and is so lonely..."
 
Do you think the same people that enjoyed Wizard Chic made "Wizardsonas"?

"This is Ebony Skulldaughter, shes a Amethyst Wizard, but she comes from a family of Jade wizards so he doesn't have a good relationship with them. She's always quiet and mysterious, and her hood hides her face, but actually shes just shy and is so lonely..."
Complete with wildly inaccurate understandings of how the Colleges function.
 
Yeah the three swords thing stuck in the back of my head. I truly do not care about Nobility, but the people of the Empire do, and the formation of the EIC containing the swords of three Nobles grants this trade association legitimacy that merchants often lack. Wilhelmina isn't a Noble, but she is officially endorsed by Nobles. People still hate merchants, but nobles might find the EIC a bit more palatable knowing Nobles "are at the helm" or whatever.

Of course, Mathilde's status as a Wizard and Eike being a Wizard too kind of counteracts that, but who knows. Some people hate merchants more than Wizards.
They could also be more terrified of wizards than they hate wizards.
 
Self insert fiction about how "rationally" the wizards could totally do so and so or such and such if they just thought "logically", written people who have no idea how magic works.

🤓 Well, logically, you see, mists and clouds are actually the same substance, so naturally if it's possible to ride on mists, it must also be possible to use Ulgu to ride on clouds! You just have to think and apply the methods of rationality.
 
Do you think the same people that enjoyed Wizard Chic made "Wizardsonas"?

"This is Ebony Skulldaughter, shes a Amethyst Wizard, but she comes from a family of Jade wizards so he doesn't have a good relationship with them. She's always quiet and mysterious, and her hood hides her face, but actually shes just shy and is so lonely..."
The fact that you called her ebony gives me flashbacks.
Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way
 
Self insert fiction about how "rationally" the wizards could totally do so and so or such and such if they just thought "logically", written people who have no idea how magic works.

You know what would make it better/worse? Considering how indivdual and varied magic paradigms are, they've found the one wizard in the world whos casting operates on their 'logic' (or something similar enough if you squint) so they take it as absolute proof of being 100% right forever.
 
You know what would make it better/worse? Considering how indivdual and varied magic paradigms are, they've found the one wizard in the world whos casting operates on their 'logic' (or something similar enough if you squint) so they take it as absolute proof of being 100% right forever.
Technically Chamon's mystical aspect is that of Logic. One of the spells is literally called "Law of Logic". Not that the Wind in itself acts in a rational, consistent manner, which Mathilde saw firsthand with the Tongs experiment:
You abandon your torment of Ghyran in the hopes that it acts like a living being because it is the Wind of Life, and move on to Chamon, hoping that the Wind of metal and logic will act more, well, logically. And it does act differently, but only in the way that it drives itself wild in your grip before another bloom of Dhar confirms a failed experiment: this is more like a roiling boil than a thrashing creature, but the result is the same.
 
You may be thinking of this:

Based on this, I think our legal status in the EIC is our Knightsona. My guess is that this was a case of Abelhelm granting two boons at once and using each to underscore the legitimacy of the other.
Abe was such a good guy. I always liked the description of his intelligence. Hes not super smart, he just hammers away at a mental problem until it breaks into the shape he wants.
 
Given how fundamentals of Logic and Symbolic Languages actually shake up, what with the whole "undefinability theorem", the most logical Wind is actually Ulgu.
 
Abe was such a good guy. I always liked the description of his intelligence. Hes not super smart, he just hammers away at a mental problem until it breaks into the shape he wants.
He was in fact a very smart guy. In fact, a "scholar" when it came to certain areas:
Learning: 16 - He's something of a scholar when it comes to the myriad enemies that lurk within the borders of the Empire.
He thoroughly schooled Mathilde in the investigation of the Dhar Matrix and he recommended a hefty amount of books to Mathilde. He's a big book reader, although he's specialised in certain areas. He gave the impression of being sort of a brute because of his blunt and straightforward manner from his low Diplomacy, and his low stats in stuff like Intrigue and Stewardship meant that he delegated a ton of stuff to people who knew better than he did. Abelhelm, despite his stature and martial prowess, is more of a nerd than he is a jock.
Isn't Hysh in fact focused on reflection and revelation, which could be interpreted as logic?
Hysh is complicated. It's section in Realms of Sorcery is probably one of the more multi-faceted and varied descriptions, probably because it isn't simple to explain. Some relevant quotes, trimmed so that I don't end up quoting thousands of words:

Hysh is the magic of illumination and holy radiance. It is the Aethyric manifestation of light, including the uses light can be put to and the abstracts that light sometimes represents to mortals, like enlightenment and purity. Hysh could be seen as the light that banishes the darkness and keeps the unknown horrors of the darkness from our doors. Though diffused, Hysh can be compared to a constant and steady luminance completely opposite of Chaos' randomness. It is also said to be the most difficult of all the fragmented Winds of Magic to channel into a spell.
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Hysh has many potent applications, and its Magisters are renowned for their abilities to heal, protect, and banish darkness—in both a literal and more occult sense. The White Magisters of Hysh, or Hierophants as they are sometimes known, are amongst the wisest and most disciplined of all Magisters, vehemently opposed to the Chaos in all its countless forms. Where Hysh is steady and constant, Chaos is random destruction, and where Hysh stands for controlled grace and self-understanding, Chaos promotes confusion, insanity, and a total lack of control. It is with good reason that the Magisters of Hysh are particularly renowned for their abilities to banish from the Mortal Realms the malevolent entities of Chaos.
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White Magic
The nature of the White Order's magic is as hard to pin down as the magic that forms and drives it. The spells of the White Order tend to fall into three general groups: illumination, protection or healing, and abjuration.
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Illumination
These spells fall into two sub-categories: those of actual illumination (as in the creation of dazzling lights and so on) and the illumination of the mind (such as the ability to inspire or see through falsehoods). Hierophants are renowned for their mastery of light and brightness, and they are said to be able to bend any kind of luminance to their will in almost any way. Where the Pyromancers of the Bright Order create bright, burning fireballs and walls of flame, the Hierophants are able to concentrate light into a tightly focussed destructive force, which, although more limited than the destructive powers of the Pyromancer, is far more controllable and able to be directed because of it.
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Healing & Protection
The Order of Light teaches the importance of the sanctity of existence and possesses a great wealth of spells dedicated to healing injuries and protection. This drive to heal and protect is geared more towards the preservation of the spiritual being of intelligent and sentient life, rather than a mortal's body, which is more the concern of the Magisters of Ghyran. Because of this, Hierophants are generally peaceful and non-violent, but they are not total pacifists like the sisters of sweet Shallya. Against the creatures and servants of Chaos and Dark Magic, the Hierophants are utterly ruthless, as devoid of compassion as they are of hate or fury for these creatures. To the Hierophants, the minds and souls of Chaos servants are filled with darkness, and the creatures' natural luminance has dimmed or has been extinguished altogether. And so, the Hierophants do not view such beings worthy of the gift of life and consciousness.
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Abjuration
The abjuration practiced by Hierophants of the White Order isn't about summoning spirits and various Aethyric beings but is instead a form of extremely powerful and dependable exorcism. Where the exorcism practised by the priests of Sigmar or Mórr relies on invoking the God in question and the supreme faith of the exorcising priest, the exorcism practiced by the Hierophants relies upon their ability to focus the searing light of Hysh into the possessed person, driving the offending entity into the light of day.

However, the magic of Hysh has very limited success exorcising the spirits of dead people not overly tainted with Dark Magic. If Hysh is the light that banishes the darkness, it cannot banish a soul that is already luminescent, just lost. Daemons and spirits of the blackest magic, like wraiths, are another matter. The great Hierophants of the White Order are able to drive these creatures back to the darkness of the Chaos Realm.
Pages 81-82 Realm of Sorcery 2E

Most Winds don't get as in-depth an explanation as Hysh does. I remember Azyr getting one, but things like Aqshy mostly get stuff like "This is the WInd of Fire, it burns stuff and has anger issues".

I've been thinking about making a full on effort post about the Colleges and the Winds, incorporating stuff from the quest and canonical sources, but I really don't have the time for that.
 
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